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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
The CDC didn't change the numbers? People aren't saying that temperature screenings are a waste of resources? People don't throw masks on the ground? People don't think wearing a masks prevents them from getting covid?

I know this forum is literally your entire reason to exist and when the pandemic ends you'll no longer be able to virtue signal and be a brave hero warrior and tell people like myself that I'm a liar, but it doesn't change the fact that many people are starting to realize that a lot (not all) of what we've been told is completely wrong.
Remember how long covid stayed alive on various surfaces?
Remember how long it hung in the air?
Remember when we urged to wash our hands for the duration of time it took to recite the alphabet?
I do.
 

wdisney9000

Well-Known Member
Nope, not accepting your framing. Business championed temperature checks and cleaning because it provided an alternative to closure, and was at a cost they were willing to accept. Upon learning that temperature checks are unreliable, and cleaning is unnecessary for this virus, what we should have done is closure until we identified what would work and could implement it. Studies have confirmed indoor spaces for longer than intermittent contact are unsafe, so preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections required something. Business signaled to policy makers what they were willing to do, and everything else followed. So if you have a problem with what happened, you should direct your energy to the unhelpful influence business had on public health policy.
I Never said I had a problem. I Never said that businesses should not have temperature screened people or cleaned and sanitized surfaces. I simply pointed out that what was once deemed "necessary", turned out NOT to be necessary.

It seems to be you that has a problem. A problem accepting any form of comment or conversation that highlights aspects of the "experts" have been wrong time and time again and if anybody dare questions the latest "science/data" , them are a problem.

You don't have to accept my "framing" for it to be true. It's akin to the people who are claiming Snow White is a story about rape because Prince Charming offered and unsolicited kiss. Such malarkey.
 
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Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
Fair enough. I still think we can and will get to 60%. I actually think that end number is higher, but not much. Maybe 65 (70 is a stretch but likely in some areas). What we’re hitting now is a wall based on geography and work schedules conflicting with clinic schedules. Of course, there are plenty of considerations and conversations we can have with the unvaccinated to speed that up and get us to 60% as fast as you and I would like, but we’ve reached the point where we either need patience for a couple months or a passport system.

If the Deep South is still having issues in July, the SEC and ACC just need to announce as a body that no unvaccinated fans will be allowed to attend football games or on-campus tailgates. Only partially kidding.
If we're still struggling to reach the hold-outs in the fall, I would more than support creative solutions like this. Look at each region, see what motivates them, and make an appropriate policy to target the hesitant. Of course, I would have loved to see an international working group come up with a common interchangeable standard for a vaccine passport, but we shot that pooch already...
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Fair enough. I still think we can and will get to 60%. I actually think that end number is higher, but not much. Maybe 65 (70 is a stretch but likely in some areas). What we’re hitting now is a wall based on geography and work schedules conflicting with clinic schedules. Of course, there are plenty of considerations and conversations we can have with the unvaccinated to speed that up and get us to 60% as fast as you and I would like, but we’ve reached the point where we either need patience for a couple months or a passport system.

If the Deep South is still having issues in July, the SEC and ACC just need to announce as a body that no unvaccinated fans will be allowed to attend football games or on-campus tailgates. Only partially kidding.
We are 45M first shots away from 60% of the US population. We are on pace to hit it by July 4th even without kids under 12 being eligible. The cases in Israel really flatlined when they hit 55% which is around 29M additional shot. If you count kids 12-15 once they are approved we may get there by end of May.
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
If we're still struggling to reach the hold-outs in the fall, I would more than support creative solutions like this. Look at each region, see what motivates them, and make an appropriate policy to target the hesitant. Of course, I would have loved to see an international working group come up with a common interchangeable standard for a vaccine passport, but we shot that pooch already...
I'm praying nothing happens that makes us all pay for the choices those people made (to shoot that pooch).
 

wdisney9000

Well-Known Member
Remember how long covid stayed alive on various surfaces?
Remember how long it hung in the air?
Remember when we urged to wash our hands for the duration of time it took to recite the alphabet?
I do.
To quote what one of the racoons tugging on a trash bag said a few minutes ago, "how dare you bring science into this".
 

sullyinMT

Well-Known Member
You’re trying to prove what exactly? While the red state/blue state explain some of the national numbers by far the biggest driver is age, if you’re >35 around 50% have been vaccinated, 16-34 around 30%. We need to get the young adults to do their part.

Also, FYI, all but two towns in New Jersey are better then the state of Mississippi.
Also, for any of you in the NJ area, what is the general age demographic of all of those low vaccine rate areas? Out here, the counties that were lagging behind early on were on the younger side. Once the vaccine opened up to all, they caught up quickly and, in a few instances, surpassed the state average. What are the chances something like that is happening in at least a few of those neighborhoods?
 

DCBaker

Premium Member
According to Mayor Demings, this is the current vaccination status for Orange County. Mayor Demings says he expects the county to hit 50% this week.

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GoofGoof

Premium Member
Interesting. New Jersey must be filled up with these anti-Vax Muh Freedom types.

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I think what you missed was the real story. These towns were identified as places where an effort would be made to increase the percentages. From the article:

Murphy said the state is putting together "an army of boots on the ground safely knocking on doors" in underserved communities across the state to supply information and resources.

That is the phase we are in. It’s up to state and local governments to push us over the finish line. An army of boots attempting to encourage vaccinations in hesitant communities sounds a whole lot better to me than claiming Covid is over and passing EOs that only serve to hurt vaccination rates and deepen the political divide.
 

jlhwdw

Well-Known Member
. Upon learning that temperature checks are unreliable, and cleaning is unnecessary for this virus, what we should have done is closure until we identified what would work and could implement it.

Summer 2020: "Hey - masks and distancing work to help control airborne spread of this disease. And we don't know if it lives on surfaces so let's clean those a bunch too. And take temperatures to weed out anyone with a fever.

Late 2020: "So masks and distancing still work great, but we've learned airborne is really the only way to transmit this virus. No need to be so strict with cleaning. Also, taking temperatures is pretty counter productive since temperatures can vary so much and many people that have the virus don't have a temperature

Your solution: "Close everything down again"

We did identify what worked. We just took away what wasn't necessary.
 

helenabear

Well-Known Member
How many years has it been since woman were expected - let alone required to wear any of those things?
There are certain cultures that do require woman to cover their faces, and many people consider those places to be less than tolerant of woman's rights and freedoms.
Stockings were required at my last job. I'm not old either. Some business attire requires certain things. Bras are pretty much required as part of attire without it being written in words.

Don't you dare compare masks to women's rights though. One is about oppression really and the other about caring for others.

Remember how long covid stayed alive on various surfaces?
Remember how long it hung in the air?
Remember when we urged to wash our hands for the duration of time it took to recite the alphabet?
I do.
You still should wash your hands. The others were unknowns and changed when founded. Good lord people forget reality sometimes.
 

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