ImperfectPixie
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And provided that in the interim the virus doesn't continue to infect and hospitalize younger and younger populations.
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ColeTrain04
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I completely agree. If the CDC and governments overall would set goals to lift restrictions then people in general would be more trusting. But continually moving the goal posts makes it seem like they’re shady and not to be trusted. Which is why a lot of the people I know won’t get a vaccine
peter11435
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But the vaccine is not available to everyone and there is still too much community spread to lift all restrictions regardless of what some politicians think. I want things to return to normal just as much as you do, but we can’t have normal in the future if we don’t handle things intelligently now.
Just because people were ignoring previous guidelines doesn’t mean that the CDS
GoofGoof
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The restrictions are set at the state and local level and not by the Federal government. However, I would not be opposed to Biden saying if we get 70% of American adults vaccinated we can drop all covid restrictions. It would be non-binding because states and businesses could still do what they want but it would be a symbolic gesture to encourage vaccine acceptance.
GaBoy
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By everyone you mean kids? Thats going to be a hard sell if so to the general population. Personally, and only anecdotal, my son in law came down with COVID after his Chief tested positive a few weeks ago. It kicked his tail for about 6 days. My two Granddaughters were all over him the day of and all around him the entire time. Nothing. It's negative effects are just not prevalent enough to motivate a great deal of public (general) concern in regard to children. Otherwise I would assume in the USA it's widely available. But there needs to be enough time to get that full immunity because some haven't had enough time for the full cycle.
ParentsOf4
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I first saw these survey results on May 4 in the NYT in an article that was titled:
$100 as Incentive to Get a Shot? Experiment Suggests It Can Pay Off.
A cash reward works best with Democrats, and relaxing safety guidelines seems to motivate Republicans, a survey study shows.
And:
The article's content was summarized in the following paragraph:
These results show both the difficulty of getting the remaining unvaccinated people to clinics and the promise of efforts aimed at doing so. While most messaging effects were small, monetary payments seem to motivate Democrats, and relaxing cautionary guidelines seems to work for Republicans.
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disneygeek90
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More 3ft distancing at Universal
GoofGoof
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I think age matters too. Teenagers are very mobile and social and have a lot of opportunity to spread Covid. Little kids are less likely to spread it in general. I still think once the 12-15 year old kids get approved we will see acceptance rates around the same level as adults under 65. 5-11 will probably be early Fall and lower rate. For kids under 5 I’m hoping the vaccine isn’t really needed, but who knows.
One other thing to consider, once the vaccines are approved for kids under 12 both Pfizer and Moderna will have full FDA approval and we will have a year’s worth of trial data from the original adult trials. The vaccines will no longer be under Emergency use authorization. I get my kids a flu shot every year, I wouldn’t think a Covid vaccine would be considered any riskier at that time.
ImperfectPixie
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Anecdotal and specific to our town, but the numbers here have been pretty consistently spread equally among age groups. The two exceptions being nearly zero cases in the under 2 group, and very low numbers in the 30-40 group. All other groups share spread relatively equally. (Per the last month to month-and-a-half of dailly numbers.)
ETA: A case does pop up from time-to-time in the under 2s, but it's relatively rare.
JD80
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GoofGoof
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The monetary payout could work. They would have to have some way of proving your vaccine status but in theory setup an IRS form to fill out and send people a check or direct deposit. This way anyone already vaccinated applies and anyone who hasn’t gone yet gets one too. A stimulus check tied to the vaccine. That’s a slam dunk success in my mind.
The relaxing of restrictions for individuals is a pipe dream. Unless we want the Federal government to prevent a private business from requiring masks it can’t work. So if that plan happened Disney would be forced by the government to operate without masks or distancing because they would have no way to know who was vaccinated and who isn’t in FL since it’s illegal there to ask for proof of vaccination.
JD80
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Everyone discussing personal responsibility or discussing personal actions once you're vaxxed or not vaxxed need to stop.
Coronavirus is a global pandemic, every rule and regulation and guidelines is set up for a macro view of Public Health and Safety. You need to be discussing rules and guidelines from the point of view of the actions of 10's of thousands of people in a community, millions of people in a state.
Guidelines are written for populations not individuals. You need to think of it like that. Imagine if you had an out break in your house, containing it and controlling it are easy. You can set rules up that fit your family's personality and lifestyle. Now imagine setting up rules and guidelines for everyone in your block. Your town. Your state. Your country.
Then figure out a way to enforce it.
People making policy have to look at it from the top down, not your own personal narrow view. People "in charge" need to manage resources - PPE, swabs, vials, ER and ICU capacity. The amount of doctors and nurses. Food supplies etc.
The simpler you make your rules the more broad compliance you have.
So I think we need to stop with the "muh freedoms" and think more from a societal view.
Also the federal government isn't making rules, it's your state. The CDC is just making suggestions.
Coronavirus is a global pandemic, every rule and regulation and guidelines is set up for a macro view of Public Health and Safety. You need to be discussing rules and guidelines from the point of view of the actions of 10's of thousands of people in a community, millions of people in a state.
Guidelines are written for populations not individuals. You need to think of it like that. Imagine if you had an out break in your house, containing it and controlling it are easy. You can set rules up that fit your family's personality and lifestyle. Now imagine setting up rules and guidelines for everyone in your block. Your town. Your state. Your country.
Then figure out a way to enforce it.
People making policy have to look at it from the top down, not your own personal narrow view. People "in charge" need to manage resources - PPE, swabs, vials, ER and ICU capacity. The amount of doctors and nurses. Food supplies etc.
The simpler you make your rules the more broad compliance you have.
So I think we need to stop with the "muh freedoms" and think more from a societal view.
Also the federal government isn't making rules, it's your state. The CDC is just making suggestions.
JD80
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You really want to see freedom taken away from you? Last spring we could have locked down the whole country, and I really mean lock you down. Bring in the military and national guard. Patrol the streets. Arrest/shoot anyone leaving their house. You get a once pass a week to go gather food and supplies for your household.
Nearly what China did.
Don't complain about people asking you to wear a fricking mask.
Nearly what China did.
Don't complain about people asking you to wear a fricking mask.
ColeTrain04
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But it would be much harder for private companies to enforce or keep mask policies in place if the majority of people refused to wear them because they are vaccinated and in compliance with health guidelines. Not to mention that most private companies make their rules based on public health guidelines. So it’s not really pipe dream. It’s going to get to that point sooner than later.
Tom P.
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Just to be technically correct, the full approval Pfizer has requested is only for ages 16 and up. Because younger people weren't included in the initial clinical trials, they won't be included in the initial full approval either. The vaccine will still be under an emergency use authorization for the 12-15 category (likely next week) and the 5-11 category (likely in the Fall). They will still have to wait the same amount of time to get their full approvals, which means we are likely looking at 5-6 months of them being under EUA's before they get full approval for those age groups.
Tom P.
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Another interesting Twitter thread regarding the longevity of immunity from vaccines and/or natural infection, and the potential need for booster shots. While we have no way of knowing yet what the results will ultimately be, I do think it's odd that we are allowing those who would profit from booster shots to drive the messaging about potential booster shots right now.
(As one who has both had Covid and been fully vaccinated, I continue to be disappointed in my lack of superpowers.)
(As one who has both had Covid and been fully vaccinated, I continue to be disappointed in my lack of superpowers.)
carolina_yankee
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Most arguments I’ve seen around “freedom” are actually arguing for “anarchy.” Anarchy is everybody doing whatever they want. That’s not freedom. Freedom only works when it includes a basic awareness of and concern for the existence of another. Otherwise, my “freedoms” impact the freedom of others.
The sad thing about the vaccine and mask arguments, is that if people would just roll up their sleeves, there would be no need to have a vaccine/mask discussion in 6-8 weeks.
Instead, obstinacy and confusion about anarchy vs. freedom is going to keep this going so much longer. If it weren’t for the collateral damage, “survival of the fittest” would be a compelling strategy, though, with regard to vaccines.
The sad thing about the vaccine and mask arguments, is that if people would just roll up their sleeves, there would be no need to have a vaccine/mask discussion in 6-8 weeks.
Instead, obstinacy and confusion about anarchy vs. freedom is going to keep this going so much longer. If it weren’t for the collateral damage, “survival of the fittest” would be a compelling strategy, though, with regard to vaccines.
LaughingGravy
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Yes, bragging.
We got two vaccine hesitant people J&J shots this week. One is a conspiracy theorist wanting to know why people needed any information from them at all to receive the shot, and the other is terrified of needles. By "got them shots", we mean physically brought them to a walk in clinic and stayed with them in addition to the conversation beforehand to make it happen because they would not have done it on their own. One involved a round trip to pick them up and drop them off of 40 min, besides the time at the location.
It helped that it was a one-day opportunity. Only one of the two reportedly had any side effects and the side effects were gone within two days later.
We got two vaccine hesitant people J&J shots this week. One is a conspiracy theorist wanting to know why people needed any information from them at all to receive the shot, and the other is terrified of needles. By "got them shots", we mean physically brought them to a walk in clinic and stayed with them in addition to the conversation beforehand to make it happen because they would not have done it on their own. One involved a round trip to pick them up and drop them off of 40 min, besides the time at the location.
It helped that it was a one-day opportunity. Only one of the two reportedly had any side effects and the side effects were gone within two days later.
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