Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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lazyboy97o

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Which brings me to my to my original point of.....if you go to Disney, a concert, etc. unvaccinated and you get a sever Covid illness it’s your own damn fault. If you infect others who didn’t get a vaccine then that’s their fault for not getting vaccinated as well. At some point we as a society need to realize that it’s available and there’s no reason to not get it. I’ve protected myself
You’ve protected yourself against one thing. You haven’t protected yourself against a vaccine resistant variant. You haven’t protected yourself from increased insurance premiums and taxes. You haven’t protected yourself from a reduced level of care if a hospital is overwhelmed with patients. You haven’t protected yourself from reduced productivity if coworkers or employees are out sick for a prolonged periods of time.
 

ColeTrain04

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You’re ignoring the several posts that have explained why that is not true
What’s that? The virus can mutate? Sure it can and it probably will. But let’s be honest that’s going to happen regardless of vaccines or not. There is something like 10,000 mutations already(don’t quote me on that number but it’s close) it’s going to be an endemic virus like the flu. Some years will be better than others. So let me ask you this.....if it continues to mutate, which it will, are we to live the rest of our lives like we currently do? The answer for me is no. I’ll get the yearly boosters just like I do with a flu shot and move on. You can’t save everyone. Some people will let their ignorance shine and will never get a vaccine for it no matter what the true science says. It’s available so there’s no reason to keep doing what we’re doing now. And also last I checked, correct me if I’m wrong, the CDC isn’t a governing body. They’re supposed to follow the science. So why is it that they won’t ease guidelines for vaccinated people simply because they’re concerned people won’t follow the guidelines. That’s not in their purview. Their job is to follow the scientific evidence, which strongly suggests that vaccinated people don’t spread the virus.
 

peter11435

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What’s that? The virus can mutate? Sure it can and it probably will. But let’s be honest that’s going to happen regardless of vaccines or not. There is something like 10,000 mutations already(don’t quote me on that number but it’s close) it’s going to be an endemic virus like the flu. Some years will be better than others. So let me ask you this.....if it continues to mutate, which it will, are we to live the rest of our lives like we currently do? The answer for me is no. I’ll get the yearly boosters just like I do with a flu shot and move on. You can’t save everyone. Some people will let their ignorance shine and will never get a vaccine for it no matter what the true science says. It’s available so there’s no reason to keep doing what we’re doing now. And also last I checked, correct me if I’m wrong, the CDC isn’t a governing body. They’re supposed to follow the science. So why is it that they won’t ease guidelines for vaccinated people simply because they’re concerned people won’t follow the guidelines. That’s not in their purview. Their job is to follow the scientific evidence, which strongly suggests that vaccinated people don’t spread the virus.
I don’t think you understand what endemic means. But regardless the only reason this virus will be around like the flu is because we as a society have allowed it to be.

The CDC has eased guidelines for those who are vaccinated. But the original point of this discussion is that Disney is not in a position to ease restriction for those that are vaccinated.
 

ColeTrain04

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What’s that? The virus can mutate? Sure it can and it probably will. But let’s be honest that’s going to happen regardless of vaccines or not. There is something like 10,000 mutations already(don’t quote me on that number but it’s close) it’s going to be an endemic virus like the flu. Some years will be better than others. So let me ask you this.....if it continues to mutate, which it will, are we to live the rest of our lives like we currently do? The answer for me is no. I’ll get the yearly boosters just like I do with a flu shot and move on. You can’t save everyone. Some people will let their ignorance shine and will never get a vaccine for it no matter what the true science says. It’s available so there’s no reason to keep doing what we’re doing now. And also last I checked, correct me if I’m wrong, the CDC isn’t a governing body. They’re supposed to follow the science. So why is it that they won’t ease guidelines for vaccinated people simply because they’re concerned people won’t follow the guidelines. That’s not in their purview. Their job is to follow the scientific evidence, which strongly suggests that vaccinated people don’t spread the virus.
I guess what I’m trying to say is let natural selection run it’s course.....
 

ColeTrain04

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I don’t think you understand what endemic means. But regardless the only reason this virus will be around like the flu is because we as a society have allowed it to be.

The CDC has eased guidelines for those who are vaccinated. But the original point of this discussion is that Disney is not in a position to ease restriction for those that are vaccinated.
They shouldn’t have any restrictions because the vaccine is widely available. And the CDC made the guidelines reflect what people were already doing. I’d hardly call that easing... I’m well aware of what endemic means. It’s here to stay in the US for sure.....
 

ImperfectPixie

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They shouldn’t have any restrictions because the vaccine is widely available. And the CDC made the guidelines reflect what people were already doing. I’d hardly call that easing... I’m well aware of what endemic means. It’s here to stay in the US for sure.....
You're ignoring everything people are telling you because it doesn't fit what you want things to be like.
 

GoofGoof

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I guess what I’m trying to say is let natural selection run it’s course.....
I agree with this eventually. We just aren’t there yet. We are still vaccinating close to a million new people a day. The vaccine rollout isn’t over yet it’s just in the final phase. The pace has slowed but not stopped and people are going in when it’s convenient for them, that was always the plan. I think we can still get to 70% of adults vaccinated or more and when we do the community spread will be significantly reduced and it will be time to get rid of restrictions. In PA where I live we are already at 64% of adults with one shot and expect to get to 70% before the end of May. All covid restrictions but masks indoors will be dropped on Memorial Day and masks will be dropped once we hit 70% fully vaccinated. It’s not much longer to wait. Zero reason to get impatient now.
 

ColeTrain04

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20% of the population can’t get vaccinated yet, they don’t have that choice and until they do we won’t have restrictions fully lifted until case #s drop.

correct which is why if you’re concerned about your children suffering long term effects then you shouldn’t take them to large gatherings. That’s what the scientific evidence suggests. There will also be a large portion of that 20% who won’t get vaccinated for the same reasons that their parents won’t get vaccinated. Also the more adults that get vaccinated the less of a need there is for children to get vaccinated. Want more adults to get vaccinated? Heavily incentivize it. Stop trying to scare people into it.
 

Touchdown

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No. I’m saying

correct which is why if you’re concerned about your children suffering long term effects then you shouldn’t take them to large gatherings. That’s what the scientific evidence suggests. There will also be a large portion of that 20% who won’t get vaccinated for the same reasons that their parents won’t get vaccinated. Also the more adults that get vaccinated the less of a need there is for children to get vaccinated. Want more adults to get vaccinated? Heavily incentivize it. Stop trying to scare people into it.
Last I checked, the reason we all post here relies a lot on those 20%. You can’t expect Disney to change until either new cases stop or vaccines are approved for kids.
 

ImperfectPixie

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No. I’m saying

correct which is why if you’re concerned about your children suffering long term effects then you shouldn’t take them to large gatherings. That’s what the scientific evidence suggests. There will also be a large portion of that 20% who won’t get vaccinated for the same reasons that their parents won’t get vaccinated. Also the more adults that get vaccinated the less of a need there is for children to get vaccinated. Want more adults to get vaccinated? Heavily incentivize it. Stop trying to scare people into it.
The bold is simply untrue.
 

ColeTrain04

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Last I checked, the reason we all post here relays a lot on those 20%. You can’t expect Disney to change until either new cases stop or vaccines are approved for kids.
Last I checked, the reason we all post here relies a lot on those 20%. You can’t expect Disney to change until either new cases stop or vaccines are approved for kids.
The bold is simply untrue.
Please explain how that is untrue......
 

GaBoy

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They shouldn’t have any restrictions because the vaccine is widely available. And the CDC made the guidelines reflect what people were already doing. I’d hardly call that easing... I’m well aware of what endemic means. It’s here to stay in the US for sure.....
This is pretty interesting. I Googled a little background on coronavirus that are endemic and this popped up. Probably already linked.
Edit... To add. The article makes a great case that pockets of this will exist where vaccination rates are low. It also talked about how the other 4 primary Coronaviruses we deal with as children (colds) help provide protection as adults.
 
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GoofGoof

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correct which is why if you’re concerned about your children suffering long term effects then you shouldn’t take them to large gatherings. That’s what the scientific evidence suggests. There will also be a large portion of that 20% who won’t get vaccinated for the same reasons that their parents won’t get vaccinated.
You are way off base here. My kids go to school. They can’t just not get together with anyone else. I would not take m kids to WDW today due to the overall situation. I think that will change pretty soon.
Also the more adults that get vaccinated the less of a need there is for children to get vaccinated. Want more adults to get vaccinated? Heavily incentivize it. Stop trying to scare people into it.
This is agree with. Except I’d change it to the more adults we get vaccinated the less risk there is to kids who can’t get the vaccine. That’s why we should wait until more adults get vaccinated to lift restrictions. In less than a month it’s likely that more than half the kids 12-15 will also be vaccinated and that will help to further reduce the spread. Having a target vaccination percentage where restrictions will be lifted is a direct incentive. We aren’t saying get vaccinated and maybe if cases drop enough we drop masks (no direct, certain outcome from getting vaccinated) we are saying if 70% of adults get vaccinated we will drop masks. That’s a clear incentive to get the shot and a certain outcome.
 
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