ABQ
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Doubt it. Population density is likely what's lead to India's problem. Few places in the world compare to India in some of its largest population centers.
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ParentsOf4
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IMO, cases are less important than deaths and hospitalizations.
In recent years, peak influenza deaths were about 61,000 deaths per season.
If we spread that out over the year (and there’s an argument to be made that we shouldn’t), then it’s about 200 deaths per day nationwide, or about 4 per state per day on average.
It’s a grim number.
After more than a year of this, a lot of Americans have reached the end of their tolerance. Antidotally, mask wearing is down everywhere, and it continues to fall each day.
People should wear masks as long as they feel it is needed but by this summer, most Americans will have moved on.
Sharbear22
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What mechanisms are there, I’m genuinely curious because I have no idea.
GoofGoof
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Positive news for lasting immunity to Covid:
www.yahoo.com
In the study of early Covid patients 6 to 10 months after infection 100% of the patients who were hospitalized still had neutralizing antibodies and 95% of patients who were not hospitalized had them. In a smaller subset 89% of patients observed still had neutralizing antibodies a year after infection including 100% of the hospitalized patients. The below quote is why anyone naturally infected should still definitely get the vaccine:
Antibody levels at the time of follow-up were correlated with age and with COVID-19 severity. Older age was linked with higher neutralizing antibody levels, whereas levels were "lower and more variable" in participants under age 65 who experienced less severe COVID-19 and did not require hospitalization, the researchers reported. They said vaccination of COVID-19 survivors "would be prudent" because vaccine-induced protection against the virus will likely be more long-lived than antibodies induced by mild COVID-19.
The young and healthy crowd who got naturally infected and were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms are less likely to have lasting protection. Further support for getting the vaccine which provides a much higher level of protection in those cases. This is also why any sort of vaccine passport system should definitely not include anyone naturally infected.
Antibody drug neutralizes virus variants in lab study; COVID-19 antibodies detectable 12 months after infection
The following is a roundup of some of the latest scientific studies on the novel coronavirus and efforts to find treatments and vaccines for COVID-19, the illness caused by the virus. An experimental monoclonal antibody treatment for COVID-19 being developed by Eli Lilly and Co and AbCellera...
In the study of early Covid patients 6 to 10 months after infection 100% of the patients who were hospitalized still had neutralizing antibodies and 95% of patients who were not hospitalized had them. In a smaller subset 89% of patients observed still had neutralizing antibodies a year after infection including 100% of the hospitalized patients. The below quote is why anyone naturally infected should still definitely get the vaccine:
Antibody levels at the time of follow-up were correlated with age and with COVID-19 severity. Older age was linked with higher neutralizing antibody levels, whereas levels were "lower and more variable" in participants under age 65 who experienced less severe COVID-19 and did not require hospitalization, the researchers reported. They said vaccination of COVID-19 survivors "would be prudent" because vaccine-induced protection against the virus will likely be more long-lived than antibodies induced by mild COVID-19.
The young and healthy crowd who got naturally infected and were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms are less likely to have lasting protection. Further support for getting the vaccine which provides a much higher level of protection in those cases. This is also why any sort of vaccine passport system should definitely not include anyone naturally infected.
Incomudro
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Yes, it was a source of validation for some - and it scared others away from all vaccines.
Highly unfortunate.
GoofGoof
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Given the flu vaccine is much less effective than the covid vaccines we should target a lower number. I’ve said under 100 deaths a day at minimum. That’s still 36,500 deaths a yearIMO, cases are less important than deaths and hospitalizations.
In recent years, peak influenza deaths were about 61,000 deaths per season.
If we spread that out over the year (and there’s an argument to be made that we shouldn’t), then it’s about 200 deaths per day nationwide, or about 4 per state per day on average.
It’s a grim number.
After more than a year of this, a lot of Americans have reached the end of their tolerance. Antidotally, mask wearing is down everywhere, and it continues to fall each day.
People should wear masks as long as they feel it is needed but by this summer, most Americans will have moved on.
ImperfectPixie
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The flu deaths listed on the CDC website are estimates, not hard numbers. A Harvard doctor wrote an essay about it and feels the flu death estimates are vastly overblown as he's never seen or heard directly of someone dying of the flu. He spoke with several other doctors for the purposes of the essay and they all said the same.IMO, cases are less important than deaths and hospitalizations.
In recent years, peak influenza deaths were about 61,000 deaths per season.
If we spread that out over the year (and there’s an argument to be made that we shouldn’t), then it’s about 200 deaths per day nationwide, or about 4 per state per day on average.
It’s a grim number.
After more than a year of this, a lot of Americans have reached the end of their tolerance. Antidotally, mask wearing is down everywhere, and it continues to fall each day.
People should wear masks as long as they feel it is needed but by this summer, most Americans will have moved on.
lazyboy97o
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Like the vaccine passports, he could direct state agencies to withhold funds from, not award contracts to or avoid doing business with businesses that enforce mitigation measures. He could bar companies doing business with the state from enforcing mitigation on state projects/business.
He could order law enforcement and the courts to not enforce and prosecute criminal charges related to mitigation enforcement.
He could even just try a mandate under a public safety justification.
My last line was referring to whatever anyone considers a balanced source. Not necessarily this article, but in general. You start to see the holes and the normalization of topics that should not be normal.
Did we read the same article?
Unless the few sentences about the poll for "wouldn't try to get an inoculation" was vilifying Republicans.
There were at least 3 sections that were direct Republican talking points. Included without any question or context to stand on their own. Almost like they were from a Republican press release. It's hard to do that and at the same time be vilifying.
Is CNN his ally in this scenario?
I mean, I hope Anita Dunn is, she works for him. The two doctors seemed like a random two opposing opinions.
CNN is out for CNN, they're nobody's ally but their own. It would be nice if they were the public's ally.
People keep saying this, but it's definitely not that clear, at least not in the example being sited. I think a more accurate statement would be "Not removing a mask when transitioning from one risk profile to a less risky one as fast as some would like to see it come off the face." Stating it as an absolute and cherry picking the example time ignoring all time around it is a talking point, not a science fact.
If he goes out and walks the dog around the block with just vaccinated staff near him, or anyone at all at a reasonable distance and wears a mask in what clearly had no transition between risk zone, then I'll agree it's not useful and doesn't help any message. I don't want to know where he's wearing a mask for a short period before removing it when it's not needed, I want to know where he was right before that it was on in the first place.
I'm going to blame, and probably vilify, anyone who's holding out not getting vaccinated because they just don't care. Doesn't matter Republican or Democrat, if they just don't care about getting one, they're the bad guy.
If they don't have one yet because they're having trouble getting one, for whatever personal scheduling issue. Last week it was someone who didn't speak English or Spanish and the states other language phone numbers didn't work. That's on us to solve their scheduling issue. Same as someone who needs a weekend or after work appointment and cannot get it. I don't fault them for not using the 1:30 PM open walk up, it's just not an option for them.
We all want to solve this because we all want WDW back to normal! Is just fine with me.We all wantBidento solve this because we all want WDW back to normal!
Incomudro
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I said this many months ago, just have the cast members who are at the front of the ride queue kindly instruct riders to put their masks on as they enter.
There are other cast members further along who can remind anyone who "forgot."
Shops would have a more difficult time with this, but shops are less densely crowded.
Incomudro
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You realize this sounds exactly like what many say is going on with covid19, don't you?
Here is the executive order from Governor DeSantis -
IMO, cases are less important than deaths and hospitalizations.
In recent years, peak influenza deaths were about 61,000 deaths per season.
If we spread that out over the year (and there’s an argument to be made that we shouldn’t), then it’s about 200 deaths per day nationwide, or about 4 per state per day on average.
It’s a grim number.
After more than a year of this, a lot of Americans have reached the end of their tolerance. Antidotally, mask wearing is down everywhere, and it continues to fall each day.
People should wear masks as long as they feel it is needed but by this summer, most Americans will have moved on.
Burden of Influenza
Learn about how CDC estimates the burden of seasonal influenza in the U.S.
www.cdc.gov
61,000 is the highest value on the chart for the last 10 years. Something like 40,000 or even 35,000 would be more typical.
200 * 365 = 73,000, a little higher even.
However, I do thank you for posting a return to normal number. It puts you at the higher end of forum responses, but its a defined target and not just "it has to end". Something we can all relate to. I think @GoofGoof was at 100, and I was around 150.
COVID Data Tracker
CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.
covid.cdc.gov
Last 3 days of the 7 day average: 658, 638, 633.
Still a ways to go to get down to 200 nationally. Some regions will get there before others.
ImperfectPixie
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And they're wrong. They are actively tracking COVID-19 deaths.
Ask any doctor who works at a hospital how many COVID deaths they've seen.
Just as Jerry Demings was saying he hasn't seen it during his press conference.
lazyboy97o
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Using the same processes and systems that track other causes of death, including the flu.
So appears this is all effective July 1, so perhaps not that significant
MaximumEd
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I make my dog watch one of those about once a month just to show her how good she has it. She still digs holes all over the yard to show how flippant and ungrateful she is.
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