The view is that this type of thing has to be tested at some point and agree about the status however if any cases or outbreaks arise this gives the perfect ammunition for the government to introduce vaccine passports for these types of venues
I just don’t think we’re at that point yet. The vaccine rollout is going well enough that I don’t see why the government can’t have waited another month or so.
One word...money...festival season and summer sports opening up soon and they don’t want the revenue that creates lost to be honest I’m torn as when is the right time? I think it was JVT that said cases are not going to get much lower for a while
Makes sense and going forward the number of people naturally infected will continue to skew younger so in 6 months the disparity will be even larger. We do probably get a little more benefit from natural infection immunity in the younger demographics.
My thinking is that the best time to do this is while things are generally under control. The next lifting of restrictions for indoor socialisation and pubs etc. is on 17th or 18 th May (from memory) and this type of data could be invaluable. I also suspect there is never the “right” time for this kind of thing!
Well, I’m not surprised. “Let the bodies pile high” were the words of the man in charge, so of course public health is of secondary importance to his government.
The right time is when more people are vaccinated, including those crowding into such venues. We’re not far off, so why the rush?
Or alternatively; some people are going to do this anyway. If we can find a proven safe way- then maybe people will follow the recommendations because there is no/little advantage in not! Who knows?
I'd like to see a major drop in cases too. There's the vaccine but also the result of the vaccine that I'm interested in. We don't want this to be like the flu shot so I'm willing to wear the mask as long as businesses are open and states aren't trying to ban domestic travel.
We rushed opening Disney World, indoor restaurants, etc. here in the states.
Because the vaccine has only just opened to the over 40’s in the last couple of days so people who generally attend large parties (not sports, theatres etc.) won’t have had the opportunity to get vaccinated by the time of lifting of more restrictions?
No-one needs to be attending large parties now. People under 40 can and should wait a few more months for their turn to come.
Similarly, people in the UK were encouraged last summer to eat out, a scheme that some scientists believe contributed to the second wave. We have had so many chances to get this right yet keep making the same mistakes again and again.
The problem is that people, like you
, have invented their own definition of herd immunity which is different than the way Infectious Disease people use herd immunity. The proof of real herd immunity won't come from case dropoff. It will come from from how many and the size of future outbreaks. Not that exiting this phase isn't an important milestone, so I am not diminishing the importance of it. But regular people and ID people are side-tracking this, and regular people are using it to say experts are misinforming us, or outright lying or wrong. If this becomes endemic, like cold & flu, we will only have partial herd immunity, not full. For regular people, it will be "good enough." But ID people would still be correct when they say we don't have full herd immunity and mention the higher 80, 90% numbers or if ever.nightclubs and large parties/gatherings won’t happen until June 21st at the earliest so they will be waiting a few more months I truly believe this was to see if vaccine passports will be needed...if a spike occurs then they can be introduced if not then when these things are allowed a negative test would suffice instead of proof of vaccine...therefore they would have to test it before the June 21st date
Have they officially announced removing 6 foot markers? I know the permission is there but Disney also does a few things on their own terms. I'm not aware that temperature checks were ever orders from the CDC or any health agency for example.
