Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[sullyinMT]

7 deaths declared today, for yesterday, in the U.K.!
Vaccines and cautious relaxation of “lockdown rules” seems to be working so far. Please let this trend continue and for my friends in the USA use this to encourage everyone to get vaccinated and hang on to the mask for just a few more weeks.
Experiments this weekend with 5,000 people unmasked at a rave! All had to provide negative test and will be tracked to see if there is a spike as a result. Think this is a brilliant idea to check for transmission.

Are those 5k also vaccinated? Or a high percentage of them, anyway? I’d love to have that story, plus the vaccinated adults plus negative test kids cruises going out of the UK as a way to disarm the ant-vax rhetoric and event passport pushback.

 

[GoofGoof]

It does seem clearly marked but I have entered through an exit before by accident even during covid times. I have to by default give at least a few of those folks my mercy.

I think my issue is more of making a media spectacle of something that could be addressed right then by the people involved. This guy is filming it but did he say anything to anyone? We were behind a family last year that had their masks below the nose and an employee manager type person happened to see it and handled it. No need for cameras and headlines. Disney would likely deal with this exit door problem if it was directly brought to their attention.

I don’t disagree. Somehow the last episode of Seinfeld was way ahead of its time in highlighting the issue of people watching something happen but doing nothing to stop it. Some people are probably reluctant to say something directly for fear of being attacked but for me personally I probably would have at least guilted the people a little bit using sarcasm and humor but I’m a big guy who looks pretty intimidating so less fear of physical attack. You can always go to the authorities too if you don’t want a direct conflict.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Are those 5k also vaccinated? Or a high percentage of them, anyway? I’d love to have that story, plus the vaccinated adults plus negative test kids cruises going out of the UK as a way to disarm the ant-vax rhetoric and event passport pushback.

True.

 

[GaBoy]

We just got back from Hawaii and it was absolutely amazing. The best part of the vaccine is the ability to enjoy the world again without the overlying sense of dread. There’s still risk but we now feel it’s an acceptable level and we are back to enjoying life fully.

Wife and I fully vaxxed last Thursday. I feel its more dangerous now getting to the restaurant than eating in it. In Georgia so no assumptions based on mask wearing... no one wears one.... except Publix.

 

[correcaminos]

A lot of people who criticize the media (myself included) don't realize they feed the media with every like they click. I'm not including you as you've made the decision to disconnect. Maybe the media wouldn't be so troublesome to us if most of us stayed in our own lanes.

I'm not totally disconnected, as I read news. I just don't watch it and do not stick to just one source. I'm not sure bow we could fix it though. Feels pretty circular in a way now. People want news to match their ideals and media wants to sell to certain people. Might be nearly impossible to get over these issues unless we wiped it all out (not possible I know).

 

[GoofGoof]

I think covid is serious. I’m tired of being told how over-cautious I am.

I’m also tired of not traveling.

Yeah, me too on both counts. My wife is 1 week away from being fully vaccinated and the kids haven’t gone yet so not a lot has changed for us. I feel more and more like I’m over cautious compared to others but I just look at it like why spend over a year being cautious only to let my guard down now and end up with covid ( I’m 2 weeks past 2nd shot so less concerned, but for the rest of the family).

I am so happy to have 2 trips planned this Summer. I know my June trip to Outer Banks is on for sure and I am highly hopeful that my Disney trip in August will be full on. Making up for lost time.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I'm not totally disconnected, as I read news. I just don't watch it and do not stick to just one source. I'm not sure bow we could fix it though. Feels pretty circular in a way now. People want news to match their ideals and media wants to sell to certain people. Might be nearly impossible to get over these issues unless we wiped it all out (not possible I know).

Yep. "there's no turning back now."

 

[Yodascousin]

Are those 5k also vaccinated? Or a high percentage of them, anyway? I’d love to have that story, plus the vaccinated adults plus negative test kids cruises going out of the UK as a way to disarm the ant-vax rhetoric and event passport pushback.

I would imagine hardly any were vaccinated as vaccines were only just made available to over 40s this week and the majority would have been late teens early twenties attending. All that was needed was a negative test result

 

[Flugell]

I don’t think any are vaccinated as they are under the qualifying age for vaccination here. Maybe some vulnerable ones have but it doesn’t make it clear.

Are those 5k also vaccinated? Or a high percentage of them, anyway? I’d love to have that story, plus the vaccinated adults plus negative test kids cruises going out of the UK as a way to disarm the ant-vax rhetoric and event passport pushback.

I have looked for the story but not certain which news allows you to read in the USA. I have picked CNN because I guess that will work over there. I have read the story and seen it on the BBC so can vouch for its accuracy when compared to others. Have noticed some anti CNN feeling on this forum hence the caveat!

Revelers gather for UK rave experiment without social distancing

Crowds of revelers descended on the city of Liverpool in northwest England on Friday for a live music event held without masks or social distancing.

edition.cnn.com

 

[GoofGoof]

I have some thoughts, due to the bit of divergence that's happening with cases.

Here in CO, people are a little antsy because there is a definite upwards slope on our cases and hospitalizations trendlines. But we are also doing well for vaccine distribution. We're also hearing similar from WA, OR, and then there was MI. Meanwhile, other places are starting to stall on vaccinations but cases are stable.

The answer is natural immunity. The states with higher natural immunity + their vax rate, is good enough, at this moment, to be outperforming the states with lower natural immunity + their vax rate. CO has the 10th lowest cases/100K, WA is 5th lowest, OR is 3rd lowest and MI now is 16th lowest (I'm guessing they were lower before this recent surge). This could indicate a couple of things.

First, we're almost there. Somewhere between the the places that are seeing rising trends and those that aren't, is an inflection point. If we continue to vax, we will get more states above that point, and approach the next one. However, the divergence is a reminder that if you don't take path A - vaccination, you will do it via path B - natural infection. Our map for where cases are climbing includes a lot of the counties with low vax rates. I am sure they thought with the snowflakes in Boulder getting their shots and feeling safer, that they could go back to normal and that would be that. Instead, the virus virused, and people getting shots in Boulder does nothing to protect your rural, under-vaccinated county and unvaccinated self if the virus is present. There are a couple states that have high cases/100K that are also showing some 7-day case rise, Arizona, Kansas. I suspect this is the divergence in the areas within the state that are either above the inflection point or below it. If there are areas of unvaccinated/not-immune people the virus continues to find it.

Second, natural immunity is providing adequate protection against the B.1.1.7 variant. Which would be good for both length of immunity and against variants. We know people can get re-infected, in general, but what percentage? Do the new variants make it worse? It doesn't seem like, for this one. There is a new study observing US Marines which resulted in a 10% re-infection. Probably a manageable number, that can be lowered even more with vaccination. If against the variant, there were lots of reinfections, the numbers would be rising everywhere. The divergence seems to indicate the infections are largely "newly infected people" and not reinfections. The P1 in Brazil still should be watched, because with what happened there seems like re-infection had to be a bigger problem. So we should continue to be mindful that just because natural immunity is protective now, doesn't mean it stays that way. But it's buying us time to vaccinate.

As optimistic as I am on vaccines I do fear we will have uneven levels of community spread for a while. There are places with higher levels of natural immunity and places with lower. The numbers we all look at are either national numbers or for this audience FL numbers but even within the state of FL the situation is vastly different in different areas. I also think the overlap between vaccinated and naturally infected varies by demographics. For example most of the 65+ people naturally infected probably still got the vaccine as well as a lot of front line emergency workers. That number probably drops as you go down in age groups. So of the under 45 crowd that is the last to go for vaccines there are probably more natural infections amongst unvaccinated people so my estimate may be off and we may get more benefit from the people naturally immune.

 

[JoeCamel]

I don’t think any are vaccinated as they are under the qualifying age for vaccination here. Maybe some vulnerable ones have but it doesn’t make it clear.

I have looked for the story but not certain which news allows you to read in the USA. I have picked CNN because I guess that will work over there. I have read the story and seen it on the BBC so can vouch for its accuracy when compared to others. Have noticed some anti CNN feeling on this forum hence the caveat!

Revelers gather for UK rave experiment without social distancing

Crowds of revelers descended on the city of Liverpool in northwest England on Friday for a live music event held without masks or social distancing.

edition.cnn.com

That is one heck of an "experiment".
Is J. Mengele running the ERP?

 

[DisneyCane]

As optimistic as I am on vaccines I do fear we will have uneven levels of community spread for a while. There are places with higher levels of natural immunity and places with lower. The numbers we all look at are either national numbers or for this audience FL numbers but even within the state of FL the situation is vastly different in different areas. I also think the overlap between vaccinated and naturally infected varies by demographics. For example most of the 65+ people naturally infected probably still got the vaccine as well as a lot of front line emergency workers. That number probably drops as you go down in age groups. So of the under 45 crowd that is the last to go for vaccines there are probably more natural infections amongst unvaccinated people so my estimate may be off and we may get more benefit from the people naturally immune.

I had posted this data the other day but here is the percentage of each age group in FL that has tested positive so far (it is a few days old). The overlap is lower in the 65+ group than it is in the younger groups:

Age	Pct Positive
0-4	4.60%​
5-14	5.75%​
16-24	13.45%​
25-34	13.54%​
35-44	13.05%​
45-54	11.90%​
55-64	9.82%​
65-74	7.10%​
75-84	6.73%​
85+	7.61%​

This is the percentage of people who tested positive so we know some multiple were infected. I'd imagine the multiple is larger the younger you go because a higher percentage of the cases would be expected to be mild or asymptomatic.

 

[GoofGoof]

Mask wearing is about following science.

Science says masks are not needed outside in uncrowded venues

Are we now saying people can’t wear a mask outside once they are vaccinated unless in a large crowd? Is Biden actually saying everyone should still wear a mask outside at all times? He said the opposite in a speech and pointed to the CDC guidelines. I don’t get at all why anyone cares. My mom is fully vaccinated and came to my house today and wore a mask part of the time even though we were outside. What harm is done by wearing a mask when not technically required? Seems like a really strange thing to get upset over.

For Biden I guess as a politician he must be doing really well when the best people can come up with to criticize you for is wearing a mask when you technically don’t need to.

 

[Yodascousin]

That is one heck of an "experiment".
Is J. Mengele running the ERP?

Because here in the uk vaccines are only available to certain age groups at the moment the government are looking at how to open up these types of events and venues safely for everybody in the near future, they want summer to be an economic boom and they want the younger generation to have more freedom this summer but think this is the fairest way forward as the younger generation won’t be eligible for vaccines for a couple more months...also if negative tests prove not sufficient the argument for a vaccine passport becomes greater

 

[sullyinMT]

I don’t think any are vaccinated as they are under the qualifying age for vaccination here. Maybe some vulnerable ones have but it doesn’t make it clear.

I have looked for the story but not certain which news allows you to read in the USA. I have picked CNN because I guess that will work over there. I have read the story and seen it on the BBC so can vouch for its accuracy when compared to others. Have noticed some anti CNN feeling on this forum hence the caveat!

Revelers gather for UK rave experiment without social distancing

Crowds of revelers descended on the city of Liverpool in northwest England on Friday for a live music event held without masks or social distancing.

edition.cnn.com

Thanks for the story. Hopefully it works - I love watching Glastonbury highlights and would like to have new videos to watch!

Maybe by the time I’m 50 and an old fuddy-duddy my wife and I will actually make it over for the festival.

 

[Flugell]

That is one heck of an "experiment".
Is J. Mengele running the ERP?

No and comparing this test to anything done by “The Angel of Death” at Auschwitz is both ridiculous and frankly offensive , though I’m sure that wasn’t the intention.
It’s an experiment which allows scientists to evaluate the spread of the virus between people who have tested negative. Our community spread is declining so it is a very useful piece of information to have. They are also testing the importance of airflow versus stale air etc.. Every attendee will be tracked to see if they are positive for COVID. They have made the decision to attend and are aware of the risks.
It certainly seems better than opening everything up and simply hoping for the best!
Sorry about rant at the beginning but lost family at Auschwitz.

 

[DisneyCane]

Because here in the uk vaccines are only available to certain age groups at the moment the government are looking at how to open up these types of events and venues safely for everybody in the near future, they want summer to be an economic boom and they want the younger generation to have more freedom this summer but think this is the fairest way forward as the younger generation won’t be eligible for vaccines for a couple more months...also if negative tests prove not sufficient the argument for a vaccine passport becomes greater

Is it possible that the test subjects were vaccinated as part of the experiment? I think everybody knows the likely outcome if you pack a few hundred unvaccinated people into a poorly ventilated indoor environment.

 

[Yodascousin]

Is it possible that the test subjects were vaccinated as part of the experiment? I think everybody knows the likely outcome if you pack a few hundred unvaccinated people into a poorly ventilated indoor environment.

Nope I would be shocked actually if any were vaccinated

 

[LittleBuford]

Experiments this weekend with 5,000 people unmasked at a rave! All had to provide negative test and will be tracked to see if there is a spike as a result. Think this is a brilliant idea to check for transmission.

I agree that the rest of the news from the UK is encouraging, but the rave experiment seems premature and unwise to me. A negative test doesn’t necessarily capture the status of an attendee at the time of the event itself.

 

[Flugell]

Is it possible that the test subjects were vaccinated as part of the experiment? I think everybody knows the likely outcome if you pack a few hundred unvaccinated people into a poorly ventilated indoor environment.

I think that would have been made clear. Remember everyone had had a negative test within the previous 24 hours. Also our transmission rates are also low (about 23 per 100,000) so there is unlikely to be many there to infect the others, hopefully. They are testing the validity of test results.