Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

I thought they had found out that asymptomatic people don’t spread the virus? Was there not a study about that? If that is true, why would vaccinated people need to wear masks around the unvaccinated? If not then it makes sense to keep masks on for crowded and indoors Still.

My guess is that when community spread is still high, even the low risk of a vaccinated person spreading the virus is still of concern.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

My guess is that when community spread is still high, even the low risk of a vaccinated person spreading the virus is still of concern.

I agree. The bigger the numbers are the more you need to worry about the "rare" things.

 

[JoeCamel]

Have they officially announced removing 6 foot markers? I know the permission is there but Disney also does a few things on their own terms. I'm not aware that temperature checks were ever orders from the CDC or any health agency for example.

Both Wawa and Publix have removed their markers as of today

 

[Flugell]

Well, I’m not surprised. “Let the bodies pile high” were the words of the man in charge, so of course public health is of secondary importance to his government.

That is not true and should not be claimed as such. Every newspaper and television report uses the term alleged when they refer to it. The phrase has been claimed as true by some and strenuously denied by Boris. This IS the man who said that the deaths from Covid would haunt him till his dying day. I know which version l believe but guess you believe the other, which you are obviously entitled to. The thing is at the moment no one knows for certain . Change it to “were allegedly the words of the man in charge” and I wouldn’t have reacted because that is absolutely true!

 

[mickeymiss]

Both Wawa and Publix have removed their markers as of today

But Disney hasn't made any moves or announcements yet?

 

[JoeCamel]

But Disney hasn't made any moves or announcements yet?

Don't know, I wasn't there today.

 

[LittleBuford]

That is not true and should not be claimed as such. Every newspaper and television report uses the term alleged when they refer to it. The phrase has been claimed as true by some and strenuously denied by Boris. This IS the man who said that the deaths from Covid would haunt him till his dying day. I know which version l believe but guess you believe the other, which you are obviously entitled to. The thing is at the moment no one knows for certain . Change it to “were allegedly the words of the man in charge” and I wouldn’t have reacted because that is absolutely true!

A number of sources cited by different news outlets, including the BBC and ITV News, have confirmed he spoke these words. But yes, you are right: it is technically an allegation, currently unproven.

I know who I believe.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Universal is indeed moving to place markers closer together (and the markers are much smaller so they can easily be removed altogether in the future.

 

[sullyinMT]

Have they officially announced removing 6 foot markers? I know the permission is there but Disney also does a few things on their own terms. I'm not aware that temperature checks were ever orders from the CDC or any health agency for example.

I saw a report where the original markings were removed. In a few places, less obvious markings were put in their place. It definitely gives the impression of “social distancing lite.” Especially in a few of the photos, one would be hard pressed in a crowd to see the marks.

 

[havoc315]

Have they officially announced removing 6 foot markers? I know the permission is there but Disney also does a few things on their own terms. I'm not aware that temperature checks were ever orders from the CDC or any health agency for example.

No announcement. They are simply removing the markers.

https://.com/2021/05/photos-ground-...sort-amid-county-physical-distancing-changes/

 

[DisneyFan32]

Are we now saying people can’t wear a mask outside once they are vaccinated unless in a large crowd? Is Biden actually saying everyone should still wear a mask outside at all times? He said the opposite in a speech and pointed to the CDC guidelines. I don’t get at all why anyone cares. My mom is fully vaccinated and came to my house today and wore a mask part of the time even though we were outside. What harm is done by wearing a mask when not technically required? Seems like a really strange thing to get upset over.

For Biden I guess as a politician he must be doing really well when the best people can come up with to criticize you for is wearing a mask when you technically don’t need to.

Masks will be removed in months as cases will go way so low, as new variants will may or not affect vaccines in the future @GoofGoof

 

[havoc315]

Universal is indeed moving to place markers closer together (and the markers are much smaller so they can easily be removed altogether in the future.

... which begs the question, why would WDW be placing 6’ markers on an attraction that won’t even be open for another 3 weeks.

By September, full capacity Broadway shows will be playing in NYC, and WDW will still have modified 35% performance.

 

[havoc315]

No-one needs to be attending large parties now. People under 40 can and should wait a few more months for their turn to come.

Talking USA? Been fully available everywhere for weeks already. Almost all states are taking walk-ins now. My 16yo already had his second injection.

25%+ of the distributed vaccine hasn’t been administered. Supply is now significantly greater than the remaining demand. Anybody over 16, anywhere in the US, can get their vaccine immediately. At most, take 24 hours to get a nearby appointment.

if everyone just got off their butt and got the vaccine, we could be back to those large events in another 4-6 weeks.

 

[mmascari]

Mask wearing is about following science.

Science says masks are not needed outside in uncrowded venues

And?

I don’t believe I implied that while outside and uncrowded it was necessary.

 

[sullyinMT]

... which begs the question, why would WDW be placing 6’ markers on an attraction that won’t even be open for another 3 weeks.

By September, full capacity Broadway shows will be playing in NYC, and WDW will still have modified 35% performance.

I’m willing to bet that’ll be about the time travelers start to vote with their wallets. As more destinations open, people will go where there’s value.

 

[DisneyCane]

Have they officially announced removing 6 foot markers? I know the permission is there but Disney also does a few things on their own terms. I'm not aware that temperature checks were ever orders from the CDC or any health agency for example.

The temperature checks were part of the reopening plan that had to be approved for reopening. At the time, lots of workplaces and things like dentist's offices were implementing temperature checks.

 

[GoofGoof]

The problem is that people, like you , have invented their own definition of herd immunity which is different than the way Infectious Disease people use herd immunity. The proof of real herd immunity won't come from case dropoff. It will come from from how many and the size of future outbreaks. Not that exiting this phase isn't an important milestone, so I am not diminishing the importance of it. But regular people and ID people are side-tracking this, and regular people are using it to say experts are misinforming us, or outright lying or wrong. If this becomes endemic, like cold & flu, we will only have partial herd immunity, not full. For regular people, it will be "good enough." But ID people would still be correct when they say we don't have full herd immunity and mention the higher 80, 90% numbers or if ever.

Herd immunity is formally defined as when the r naught is below 1 so essentially each infected person infects less than 1 other person. That’s the technical, scientific definition not just something people like me invented . The trick is it has to be lasting. There have been periods where the r naught dropped below 1 throughout this pandemic in various places only to rise back above. So that’s why I distinguish between lasting herd immunity and just reaching the formal definition. I’ve said this numerous times in numerous posts and my take on this hasn’t changed. Herd immunity in general isn’t something that is measurable now. Just like the start and end of an economic recession (which can only be measured several quarters after it starts or ends) we will only know when we did reach herd immunity by looking back and identifying the point where the r-naught dropped below 1 for good. So right now in Israel cases are extremely low and the r-naught is well below 1 and has been since the end of February. If they have a sudden spike in cases then herd immunity hadn’t been fully reached but if they never do spike again then we will look back and say they reached herd immunity in March.

My definition is the exact definition infectious disease experts use as well. When someone says it will take 80% of the population vaccinated to reach herd immunity that’s their guess as to the level needed. They have no way of knowing if that’s the case but people reading that assume that because they are “experts” that it’s an absolute number and it definitely is not. I have seen numerous articles posted saying the US will never reach herd immunity because we will have less than 80% or 90% or whatever number the author picks vaccinated. That’s simply not a guarantee to be true. It’s not over yet, but it looks really promising that Israel has actually reached herd immunity and at a level of vaccination much lower than the 80%+ some people guessed...20%+ lower. I’m not saying we are a lock to reach it at that level either, just that it’s foolish to say we can never reach herd immunity without getting 80%+ vaccinated because there is no actual science behind that.

 

[Patcheslee]

Interesting dichotomy. Reports that Universal Orlando is removing their 6’ social distancing markers.
Meanwhile, Disney is now adding 6’ markers to the FOTLK queue.

Whether right or wrong, WDW seems intent on slow-walking the return to normalcy, slower than anyplace else. As of now, WDW restaurants are operating at a lower capacity than New York City restaurants (now going to 75%).

Wonder if the Uni thing is coming from the Velocicoaster queue. I've seen a video from passholder preview, no visual markers.

 

[GoofGoof]

... which begs the question, why would WDW be placing 6’ markers on an attraction that won’t even be open for another 3 weeks.

By September, full capacity Broadway shows will be playing in NYC, and WDW will still have modified 35% performance.

I wouldn’t read too much into that. It’s bureaucracy at its best. If a decision is being made to reduce distancing it would be kept to the highest level of management. The people putting the queue stickers on the ground wouldn‘t know. If they make a change they just update that with any other attraction the same way they do the rest. Inefficient, yes...but par for the course in a large bureaucratic organization.

 

[DisneyCane]

Herd immunity is formally defined as when the r naught is below 1 so essentially each infected person infects less than 1 other person. That’s the technical, scientific definition not just something people like me invented . The trick is it has to be lasting. There have been periods where the r naught dropped below 1 throughout this pandemic in various places only to rise back above. So that’s why I distinguish between lasting herd immunity and just reaching the formal definition. I’ve said this numerous times in numerous posts and my take on this hasn’t changed. Herd immunity in general isn’t something that is measurable now. Just like the start and end of an economic recession (which can only be measured several quarters after it starts or ends) we will only know when we did reach herd immunity by looking back and identifying the point where the r-naught dropped below 1 for good. So right now in Israel cases are extremely low and the r-naught is well below 1 and has been since the end of February. If they have a sudden spike in cases then herd immunity hadn’t been fully reached but if they never do spike again then we will look back and say they reached herd immunity in March.

My definition is the exact definition infectious disease experts use as well. When someone says it will take 80% of the population vaccinated to reach herd immunity that’s their guess as to the level needed. They have no way of knowing if that’s the case but people reading that assume that because they are “experts” that it’s an absolute number and it definitely is not. I have seen numerous articles posted saying the US will never reach herd immunity because we will have less than 80% or 90% or whatever number the author picks vaccinated. That’s simply not a guarantee to be true. It’s not over yet, but it looks really promising that Israel has actually reached herd immunity and at a level of vaccination much lower than the 80%+ some people guessed...20%+ lower. I’m not saying we are a lock to reach it at that level either, just that it’s foolish to say we can never reach herd immunity without getting 80%+ vaccinated because there is no actual science behind that.

I wonder if anybody has attempted to determine the R naught of SARS-CoV-2 if there was no mitigation at all. Isn't that needed in order to calculate what percent of the population needs to be immune to reach a lasting herd immunity without mitigation?