Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Parker in NYC]

I wouldn't put anything past some people at this point.

This point?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

This point?

LOL! Right?

 

[Chi84]

Maybe, humor me a second, mask wearing rules were never about an individual persons vaccine status but always about community levels.

Hence, once community levels are met, nobody will need a mask, vaccinated or not. Not forever.

I thought mask wearing was to protect others from you in case you had the virus and didn’t know it because you were asymptomatic or presymptomatic.

 

[danlb_2000]

I wonder if they are keeping quiet about the 6 month thing so as not to discourage people from getting the vaccine?

How many people wouldn’t get it if they knew it only lasted 6 months?

No one know how long the vaccine immunity will last, so there is nothing to hide. All we know so far is that it lasts at least 6 months.

 

[mickeymiss]

This is certainly not newsworthy for the general public. I agree with that. The people in the video knew they were entering through an exit only door as the signs were clearly marked. I agree we don’t know if they did it intentionally to beat the line at the entrance or if they just did it because they didn’t think they had to follow the rules, but either way that type of behavior wasn’t acceptable before covid and definitely is not acceptable during Covid times when an effort is being made to keep people safe by limiting capacity and crowd size and anyone who is at Disney World is aware of that. I didn’t really have much of a reaction one way or the other to the video. After the video of the people grilling hot dogs at an outdoor table when DS first re-opened nothing will really surprise me.

It does seem clearly marked but I have entered through an exit before by accident even during covid times. I have to by default give at least a few of those folks my mercy.

I think my issue is more of making a media spectacle of something that could be addressed right then by the people involved. This guy is filming it but did he say anything to anyone? We were behind a family last year that had their masks below the nose and an employee manager type person happened to see it and handled it. No need for cameras and headlines. Disney would likely deal with this exit door problem if it was directly brought to their attention.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I thought mask wearing was to protect others from you in case you had the virus and didn’t know it because you were asymptomatic or presymptomatic.

Masks are better at preventing virus from escaping than they are at preventing virus from entering, but there is still two-way protection.

 

[correcaminos]

I didn't say there was any sense to it.

It's a general mistrust of "establishment". It's along the same reasoning as those who think the government would allow millions to be vaccinated even if there was a link to autism. (Which there isn't.)

There's a lot lately I just do this to

Though oddly those who are not traditionally anti-vax seem to be now. I don't get how so many are not afraid of covid, but are of one or two shots.

 

[Parker in NYC]

There's a lot lately I just do this to

Though oddly those who are not traditionally anti-vax seem to be now. I don't get how so many are not afraid of covid, but are of one or two shots.

Because they do as their news "opinion" programs and social media "opinion" accounts tell them to do.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

There's a lot lately I just do this to

Though oddly those who are not traditionally anti-vax seem to be now. I don't get how so many are not afraid of covid, but are of one or two shots.

We have a specific group of people to thank for much of that line of thinking.

 

[Parker in NYC]

It does seem clearly marked but I have entered through an exit before by accident even during covid times. I have to by default give at least a few of those folks my mercy.

I think my issue is more of making a media spectacle of something that could be addressed right then by the people involved. This guy is filming it but did he say anything to anyone? We were behind a family last year that had their masks below the nose and an employee manager type person happened to see it and handled it. No need for cameras and headlines. Disney would likely deal with this exit door problem if it was directly brought to their attention.

Because social media = $$$ and fame.

 

[correcaminos]

Because they do as their news "opinion" programs and social media "opinion" accounts tell them to do.

I know this happens but I just don't get why it happened in the first place (see cute fluffy dog face again). It truly baffles me.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I know this happens but I just don't get why it happened in the first place (see cute fluffy dog face again). It truly baffles me.

Fear of their culture and control being wiped out by [insert group].

 

[sullyinMT]

I thought mask wearing was to protect others from you in case you had the virus and didn’t know it because you were asymptomatic or presymptomatic.

Yes, but because kids aren’t approved (really looking for that 12-15 Pfizer news!), and there is such a slowdown of adults at just above 1/2 nationwide, we just have no way of indicating who is and isn’t vaccinated.
With a mid-large event vaccine passport, the mask wearing becomes less important. I’m thinking of things like Cirque shows in Vegas, or what the NY sports teams are doing, or allowing spectators for things like graduation ceremonies. Perhaps with capacity limits indoors until more is proven.

 

[Lilofan]

I had covid, I was tested 5 months later and was negative for antibodies. I got vaccinated ASAP. Having it does not ensure you have long lasting immunity. And yes, I do count myself among the long haulers, I deal with the effects every day.

You hang in there. My brother's friend, healthy, middle age, no underlying health conditions contacted covid while traveling on business. He struggled when rushed to the hospital after collapsing , could not eat, swallow or smell and taste. He had to get his nutrition via IV tubes while in the covid ward of the hospital. The ones who think covid is not serious and or refuse to get the vaccine are very misled.

 

[correcaminos]

Fear of their culture and control being wiped out by [insert group].

Oh what I want to say about that but fear some will take it as political (though this 100% independent never understands that either....)

 

[Parker in NYC]

Oh what I want to say about that but fear some will take it as political (though this 100% independent never understands that either....)

Well, it's always been around. It's just that today, everyone has an instant platform with the added benefit of getting paid for it AND instant fame. Remember when people used to blame it on the 24-hour news cycle? Who knew it could be even worse. That's why I like discussion boards. They're self-contained. Whereas anything sent out into the universe via social media has the potential of being #everywhere. Legit news is dead.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The ones who think covid is not serious and or refuse to get the vaccine are very misled.

I think covid is serious. I’m tired of being told how over-cautious I am.

I’m also tired of not traveling.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I think covid is serious. I’m tired of being told how over-cautious I am.

I’m also tired of not traveling.

Same, friend. Same.

 

[hopemax]

As time goes on we have to start looking at how long natural immunity and eventually vaccinated immunity lasts. People infected in March and April 2020 are over a year since infection. We don’t have a good indicator of how long that immunity holds for yet. Hopefully greater than a year, but unknown. So the number of naturally immune but unvaccinated can shrink if it turns out the immunity fades or due to the existence of variants is less effective. Eventually the same will happen to vaccinated but the hope is community spread is crushed by then and if needed we all get a booster to keep it down.

I have some thoughts, due to the bit of divergence that's happening with cases.

Here in CO, people are a little antsy because there is a definite upwards slope on our cases and hospitalizations trendlines. But we are also doing well for vaccine distribution. We're also hearing similar from WA, OR, and then there was MI. Meanwhile, other places are starting to stall on vaccinations but cases are stable.

The answer is natural immunity. The states with higher natural immunity + their vax rate, is good enough, at this moment, to be outperforming the states with lower natural immunity + their vax rate. CO has the 10th lowest cases/100K, WA is 5th lowest, OR is 3rd lowest and MI now is 16th lowest (I'm guessing they were lower before this recent surge). This could indicate a couple of things.

First, we're almost there. Somewhere between the the places that are seeing rising trends and those that aren't, is an inflection point. If we continue to vax, we will get more states above that point, and approach the next one. However, the divergence is a reminder that if you don't take path A - vaccination, you will do it via path B - natural infection. Our map for where cases are climbing includes a lot of the counties with low vax rates. I am sure they thought with the snowflakes in Boulder getting their shots and feeling safer, that they could go back to normal and that would be that. Instead, the virus virused, and people getting shots in Boulder does nothing to protect your rural, under-vaccinated county and unvaccinated self if the virus is present. There are a couple states that have high cases/100K that are also showing some 7-day case rise, Arizona, Kansas. I suspect this is the divergence in the areas within the state that are either above the inflection point or below it. If there are areas of unvaccinated/not-immune people the virus continues to find it.

Second, natural immunity is providing adequate protection against the B.1.1.7 variant. Which would be good for both length of immunity and against variants. We know people can get re-infected, in general, but what percentage? Do the new variants make it worse? It doesn't seem like, for this one. There is a new study observing US Marines which resulted in a 10% re-infection. Probably a manageable number, that can be lowered even more with vaccination. If against the variant, there were lots of reinfections, the numbers would be rising everywhere. The divergence seems to indicate the infections are largely "newly infected people" and not reinfections. The P1 in Brazil still should be watched, because with what happened there seems like re-infection had to be a bigger problem. So we should continue to be mindful that just because natural immunity is protective now, doesn't mean it stays that way. But it's buying us time to vaccinate.

 

[Lilofan]

I think covid is serious. I’m tired of being told how over-cautious I am.

I’m also tired of not traveling.

Same here even though I ( got my Moderna shots ) travel and mask up, social distance and continually wipe down surfaces, etc and I give kudos for WDW and Mayor Jerry Demings of Orlando in still upholding the mask mandate even though the guy who runs the Sunshine State thinks otherwise.