Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

To update the data I posted this morning since the CDC updated the site today, with over 95 million people fully vaccinated:

0.00063% of the fully vaccinated have been hospitalized due to COVID (less than 7 per million)
0.00012% of the fully vaccinated have died due to COVID (1.2 per million)

The data shows that the vaccines are extremely highly effective and if a person is vaccinated they are more protected from COVID than they are from countless other maladies.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

in an ironic local development...New Jersey - citing “vastly improving metrics” - is expected to ease restrictions in some big categories starting next week.

Summer camps being the one they gushed about...there’s also been soon to be confirmed rumors that all schools will be “encouraged” to be full open the last couple weeks of the year...the “saw no evil”
Approach.

politics never go away. This is a governor who made a billion at Goldman Sachs but was elected by unionized labor.

the one side “won” before...now the other side must claim victory.

The summer camp thing is concerning.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The summer camp thing is concerning.

Oh...you were NEVER gonna deny those north of route 1 their camps...how else are the kids gonna be taken care of??

these moves also will lead right into the shore towns/economy...

this is chamber of commerce things.

“this is the way”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

To update the data I posted this morning since the CDC updated the site today, with over 95 million people fully vaccinated:

0.00063% of the fully vaccinated have been hospitalized due to COVID (less than 7 per million)
0.00012% of the fully vaccinated have died due to COVID (1.2 per million)

The data shows that the vaccines are extremely highly effective and if a person is vaccinated they are more protected from COVID than they are from countless other maladies.

vaccines work.

so what am I gonna say next?

 

[Animal_Kingdom_09]

I believe whole heartedly in the vaccines and he science and know that if we get enough people vaccinated we get to return to normal, but I get that others don’t think that way. That’s why we need a firm target of vaccinated percentage like Orange County just implemented. We get to say 70% of eligible people vaccinated and we drop all restrictions.

I‘m trying to see this from the other side. You seem closer to understanding that mindset than me so would a firm target really change people’s minds or would they sill hold out?

I think you are going to see restrictions gradually come to an end once vaccines are available to everyone. This is already happening on Florida's west coast - more and more businesses have taken down their masks required signs and when you ask them if you need a mask, they tell you no.

I still wear a mask when asked, but once we get to the end of May the only people >16 that haven't been vaccinated will be the people who don't want one. Once we get to that point, nobody is going to want to mask up for the people who refuse the vaccination. I had Covid early on, and I have also been vaccinated (because I expect that proof of vaccination will be required for travel to foreign countries). I am not going to get the disease again, and I am not going to give it to anyone. No vaccine works that way. Similarly, I am not going to cause a mutation, although an unvaccinated and never had the disease person might. So I wear a mask to be polite.

Most people get vaccinated because their is something in it for them. This board has a higher number of people who say they do things for the community and not themselves than the general population, and it skews the thought process. This is not new - it has happened for every vaccine developed. Eventually, enough people find a benefit and get the vaccination. In 1955, half of the population did not want a polio vaccine. The poll below in 1954 was before the Cutter incident (1955) that hammered the polio vaccine acceptance.


Americans' Initial Reactions to Taking New Vaccines

	Yes, would take	No, would not	Not sure
	%	%	%
2020 Jul 20-Aug 2 (COVID-19)	65	35	--
2009 Aug 26 (Swine flu)	55	42	3
2002 Nov 11-14 (Smallpox)	55	35	10
1957 Aug 29-Sep 4 (Asian flu)^	65	20	15
1954 May 2-7 (Polio)^	60	31	9
^ Based on those who had heard/read about the vaccine (90% for polio; 92% for Asian flu)
GALLUP

Archived Gallop Polls

You get the vaccine hesitators by educating them on "what's in it for them" - a cruise, travel to Europe, how bad Covid is if you are one of the not so fortunate ones. Telling them that they have to mask up until 70% of people (that they don't even know) get a shot probably won't work.

There are not enough police officers out there to enforce a mask mandate once people decide that it isn't helping anyone.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Unfortunately, yes. I know folks don't want to hear it, but the truth is - this is not over, even once everyone gets this round of vaccinations. We don't even know how long these vaccines will last yet, let alone what variants they may or may not be good for. And of course, the virus continues to mutate as we speak, and it will continue to do so. At the very least, this is likely going to be a yearly-thing like a flu shot, that they will be desperately trying to keep updated as new variants keep appearing.

We aren't going back to "normal" any more than we did after 9/11. Particularly indoors - things like social distancing, plexiglass everywhere, etc. are not going to just magically go away.

Is new variants is really gonna affect vaccines in the future. I'm worried about that.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Is new variants is really gonna affect vaccines in the future. I'm worried about that.

We don't know yet...but we're working on stamping out the virus as much as possible so that doesn't happen.

 

[DisneyCane]

vaccines work.

so what am I gonna say next?

I'm 100% with you on what you will say next.

I posted these stats and have shared them with unvaccinated people I know to try and drive home that very point. Hopefully it works on some of the hesitant.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Is new variants is really gonna affect vaccines in the future. I'm worried about that.

we all are worried about that. But the best approach is to do what makes the most sense now - get everyone vaccinated - and not try to solve any problems that aren’t here yet.

things are getting better...

 

[danlb_2000]

We will have some full time work from home people, some full time in person and the vast majority will be hybrid. The hybrid are split between 3-4 days a week in office and 1-2 days. The 3-4 day people will still have their own desk but the 1-2 hybrid people will have “hotel” desks that are shared amongst them and the full remote people if they ever come into the office. Not sure how popular the idea of shared desks is during a pandemic but long term should be Ok. Since they are not requiring vaccination and not requiring masks while sitting at your desk I’m not planning to go back until cases drop and/or more people get vaccinated. I still think all workplaces should require full mask wearing all the time for anyone not vaccinated. If you won’t get the vaccine to protect yourself and you won’t get it to protect others you should be forced to wear a mask to protect others.

My company has a very strict masking policy, all desks are social distanced, temperature and symptom checks before entering the building and a very rigorous process if someone in the building is found to be infected. So far we have not had any infections within the building that we know of.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Philly elementary school reverts to remote learning after ‘multiple’ COVID-19 cases

That's. Not. What. I. Said.

You're actually proving my point, considering the spread happened in those schools *while everyone was masked.*

 

[ImperfectPixie]

That's. Not. What. I. Said.

You're actually proving my point, considering the spread happened in those schools *while everyone was masked.*

Than clarify what you said, please, because it reads like you're saying COVID doesn't spread in elementary schools, period.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Than clarify what you said, please, because it reads like you're saying COVID doesn't spread in elementary schools, period.

I'm saying MASKS in elementary schools are ineffective at slowing the spread.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I'm saying MASKS in elementary schools are ineffective at slowing the spread.

I disagree in a big way. Masks have been proven to reduce transmission as much as 85%.

 

[Incomudro]

I plan on wearing one in public next winter and will continue to wipe down my grocery cart. Less colds warm face is win and grocery carts are gross

Grocery carts have always been gross.
I said in a post a while back, that I've been wiping them down ever since my sons were born 19 years ago.
Who knows what people touch, and what their general hygiene is before they touch those handles?
Not to mention leaky chicken and other meat packaging that's touched in the store itself.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Grocery carts have always been gross.
I said in a post a while back, that I've been wiping them down ever since my sons were born 19 years ago.
Who knows what people touch, and what their general hygiene is before they touch those handles?
Not to mention leaky chicken and other meat packaging that's touched in the store itself.

UGH...the leaky meat packages...sometimes it's as if they don't even try to seal them.

The only packaged meat I've NEVER had a problem with is poultry...because it's packaged by outside companies and not by the meat department.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm saying MASKS in elementary schools are ineffective at slowing the spread.

you can’t make that assertion. Masking has been proven to be effective in near all studies...that’s called a “scientific consensus”...

now...they may have reduced effectiveness with young kids...that makes sense. But they would still be a better approach than throwing up hands.

 

[Incomudro]

No-appointment-needed is just starting to become the norm in NJ...

All 6 N.J. COVID vaccine mega-sites offering walk-in shots starting today

Anyone 16 and older living, working or studying in New Jersey is eligible for COVID-19 vaccines.

www.nj.com

I actually jumped the line for my first Moderna dose the other month, and felt guilty about it. (57 years old with no underlying conditions.)
At the time, it looked like people in my category (retired too) had months to wait.
I rationalized my decision to take a spot in the line by saying to myself that I'm helping herd immunity.
By the time my second scheduled dose rolled around everyone my age was eligible - so, I only jumped the line for one dose.
Now, everyone can get their shot.
It's amazing how quickly all of that moved.

 

[GoofGoof]

I'm saying MASKS in elementary schools are ineffective at slowing the spread.

That isn’t even remotely true. That’s been the problem with Covid from the start, people think in such absolutes. If a case occurs in schools while kids are masked that means masks aren’t 100% effective 100% of the time so drop them. Nobody ever said masks were 100% effective all of the time. They reduce spread, they don’t eliminate it. That’s always been the case. Having spread in a school while kids are masked provides no evidence whatsoever that masks are ineffective in slowing spread. It is only proof they aren’t 100% effective in stopping all spread.

 

[Lilofan]

Huntsville Alabama is home to a NASA research center. It’s not all Taladega nights

Alabama last in education, bottom rung in the country in health care, sky high obesity rates, 37% of residents are pre-diabetic, etc, but at least they have got the Crimson Tide tops in college football year after year.