Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Parker in NYC]

I live in Ohio. Ours is going up also. Rumor on radio is we are going up because of PA and MI. Don't know what to believe.I

I'm surprised you didn't throw in southern NY and northern NJ for good measure!

The AZ and J&J are viral vector tech like a flu shot but the Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA tech so they induce immunity in different manners. It is not uncommon for viral vector vaccines to have blood clotting but these clots are a different type than what has been seen in the past hence the warnings to health care not to hit this with heparin as normal.

Why would they want to take a chance with the viral vector tech?

 

[JoeCamel]

Why would they want to take a chance with the viral vector tech?

It has worked well enough for years, the mRNA tech is about 10 years old but this is the first widespread use of it. Works pretty well from what I have seen to date.

 

[havoc315]

The Summer dates are based on the vaccine rollout. If the vaccines work as advertised (Which they definitely do) there is a lot of hope that the cases come down once we hit enough people vaccinated. FL is still at only 36% of the total population vaccinated so I wouldn’t expect cases to plummet yet, but they have plateaued at a pretty high level which isn’t great. Vaccine passports are only a plan B if the vaccine rollout fails.

I don't disagree with this statement except in nuance..
Yes, if we could hit 80-85% of adults being vaccinated in the next 2-3 months without vaccine passports, then they would be totally unnecessary.
But that is looking unlikely. We need a bit of a carrot/stick to over the vaccine hump. Telling people, "once you get vaccinated, you no longer have to voluntarily wear your mask!" -- that doesn't really do anything, because those people mostly already stopped voluntary masking.

So as vaccination rates slow down, use of passports should start to increase. We should already be *starting* to implement passports, as it being done in some limited fashion in New York. That said -- while I think we should do it -- we won't do it.
While it should be a plan B.. or even plan A2... instead, it may be more like plan G4.... after another dozen plans fail, maybe we will consider it.

I'm hoping I'm wrong: Hoping we can get 80-85%+ adults vaccinated without resorting to passports OR hoping we can reach herd immunity at a lower proportion. But to be clear -- the target is what is happening now in Israel, eradication of community spread. Not just case reduction. Israel is proving it is possible.

 

[havoc315]

How many shots have gone into arms of the mRNA type and how many adverse incidents (clotting)? I have only heard of the allergic reactions, is there anything to study here? Hundreds of millions of doses given,

Few cases of thrombocytopenia.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajh.26132

Vaccines and Rare Clotting Disorders: What's the Link?

Causal relation appears possible, but evidence still indicates it's extremely rare

www.medpagetoday.com

This is actually an anti-clotting side effect -- your body doesn't clot normally, which can lead to dangerous bleeding.

 

[DisneyCane]

How much "movement" has there been in those top two age brackets recently?

Here were the percentages off of the 4/7 report. I must have not bothered with the first two groups that day because they were only eligible from 4/5.

25-34 11.9%
35-44 20.1%
45-54 29.6%
55-64 46.8%
65-74 79.3%
75-84 79.8%
85+ 66.8%

It seems the top two brackets seem to add about 0.8% of the population per day this week.

 

[Jrb1979]

I really don't understand the hatred toward vaccine passports. I don't see being used for everyday things but things that involves large gatherings work fine

 

[Parker in NYC]

Few cases of thrombocytopenia.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajh.26132

Vaccines and Rare Clotting Disorders: What's the Link?

Causal relation appears possible, but evidence still indicates it's extremely rare

www.medpagetoday.com

This is actually an anti-clotting side effect -- your body doesn't clot normally, which can lead to dangerous bleeding.

I hate to ask which one is worse, it's like choosing between watching a Jeff Foxworthy or Jackie Mason special -- but is one worse than the other?

 

[Parker in NYC]

I really don't understand the hatred toward vaccine passports. I don't see being used for everyday things but things that involves large gatherings work fine

Machismo. It all boils down to machismo. I wish I had another explanation for it. Or, at the least, machismo-adjacent.

 

[DisneyCane]

I don't disagree with this statement except in nuance..
Yes, if we could hit 80-85% of adults being vaccinated in the next 2-3 months without vaccine passports, then they would be totally unnecessary.
But that is looking unlikely. We need a bit of a carrot/stick to over the vaccine hump. Telling people, "once you get vaccinated, you no longer have to voluntarily wear your mask!" -- that doesn't really do anything, because those people mostly already stopped voluntary masking.

So as vaccination rates slow down, use of passports should start to increase. We should already be *starting* to implement passports, as it being done in some limited fashion in New York. That said -- while I think we should do it -- we won't do it.
While it should be a plan B.. or even plan A2... instead, it may be more like plan G4.... after another dozen plans fail, maybe we will consider it.

I'm hoping I'm wrong: Hoping we can get 80-85%+ adults vaccinated without resorting to passports OR hoping we can reach herd immunity at a lower proportion. But to be clear -- the target is what is happening now in Israel, eradication of community spread. Not just case reduction. Israel is proving it is possible.

Your target is what is happening in Israel. While that would be great, my target is that everybody who wants a vaccine can get vaccinated.

I'd be happy to submit my information to get a vaccine passport if it allowed me to not have to follow any COVID measure anywhere, including not having to wear a mask on a plane.

 

[GoofGoof]

I don't disagree with this statement except in nuance..
Yes, if we could hit 80-85% of adults being vaccinated in the next 2-3 months without vaccine passports, then they would be totally unnecessary.
But that is looking unlikely. We need a bit of a carrot/stick to over the vaccine hump. Telling people, "once you get vaccinated, you no longer have to voluntarily wear your mask!" -- that doesn't really do anything, because those mostly people already stopped voluntary masking.

So as vaccination rates slow down, use of passports should start to increase. We should already be *starting* to implement passports, as it being done in some limited fashion in New York. That said -- while I think we should do it -- we won't do it.
While it should be a plan B.. or even plan A2... instead, it may be more like plan G4.... after another dozen plans fail, maybe we will consider it.

I'm hoping I'm wrong: Hoping we can get 80-85%+ adults vaccinated without resorting to passports OR hoping we can reach herd immunity at a lower proportion. But to be clear -- the target is what is happening now in Israel, eradication of community spread. Not just case reduction. Israel is proving it is possible.

I feel like it’s Groundhog day around here. We don‘t need 80-85% of adults vaccinated to reach herd immunity. Israel is at 55% of their total population vaccinated and you said earlier is either approaching or reached herd immunity. We would need 65% of the 12+ population (kids 12-15 should be approved shortly) to get to that level. I think we hit 70%+ which means 60%+ of the total population.

I know you will credit that to their vaccine passports but that‘s a matter of opinion. Those passports just limit indoor dining and large group activities already mostly limited here. It’s not a major part of the picture, the vaccines are the key driver. We can and should get there. Passports are a plan B if we don’t.

 

[Smooth]

I live in Ohio. Our county had 6 reported cases today.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I'd be happy to submit my information to get a vaccine passport if it allowed me to not have to follow any COVID measure anywhere, including not having to wear a mask on a plane.

Which is another reason why it's not happening for a while, if ever.

 

[Jrb1979]

Your target is what is happening in Israel. While that would be great, my target is that everybody who wants a vaccine can get vaccinated.

I'd be happy to submit my information to get a vaccine passport if it allowed me to not have to follow any COVID measure anywhere, including not having to wear a mask on a plane.

That's probably one of the places that will require a vaccine passport. My hopes is Disney and all amusement parks do the same.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I feel like it’s Groundhog day around here. We don‘t need 80-85% of adults vaccinated to reach herd immunity. Israel is at 55% of their total population vaccinated and you said earlier is either approaching or reached herd immunity. We would need 65% of the 12+ population (kids 12-15 should be approved shortly) to get to that level. I think we hit 70%+ which means 60%+ of the total population.

I know you will credit that to their vaccine passports but that‘s a matter of opinion. Those passports just limit indoor dining and large group activities already mostly limited here. It’s not a major part of the picture, the vaccines are the key driver. We can and should get there. Passports are a plan B if we don’t.

I am not a math person whatsoever. But according to my quick google, Israel has 9 million people vs the US's 328 million. I know a percentage is a percentage but is any of that to be taken into consideration?

 

[correcaminos]

I'm surprised you didn't throw in southern NY and northern NJ for good measure!


Why would they want to take a chance with the viral vector tech?

Because Ohio is between PA and MI not NJ or NY....

Still likely nothing to do with them. We just had a month of spring breaks and Ohio numbers really aren't spiking at this time. Up but not spikes.

I live in Ohio. Our county had 6 reported cases today.

Not a big city you are in I take it?

 

[Parker in NYC]

Because Ohio is between PA and MI not NJ or NY....

Still likely nothing to do with them. We just had a month of spring breaks and Ohio numbers really aren't spiking at this time. Up but not spikes.

I just found it interesting that it couldn't possibly be coming from Ohio. That it had to come from two other states... But I'll leave it at that for those who want to connect the dots.

 

[correcaminos]

I just found it interesting that it couldn't possible be coming from Ohio. That it had to come from two other states... But I'll leave it at that for those who want to connect the dots.

I think it has to do with crossing state lines for work and such. Those on the borders like to blame others. Then again we aren't spiking as bad as MI and had a lot of travel and gatherings for breaks. Our slight rise isn't shocking

 

[Parker in NYC]

I think it has to do with crossing state lines for work and such. Those on the borders like to blame others. Then again we aren't spiking as bad as MI and had a lot of travel and gatherings for breaks. Our slight rise isn't shocking

Yes. Especially when those two particular states in reference to Ohio are so - though heavens to Betsy I'll keep it out of this thread lest I risk saying too much.

 

[GoofGoof]

I am not a math person whatsoever. But according to my quick google, Israel has 9 million people vs the US's 328 million. I know a percentage is a percentage but is any of that to be taken into consideration?

The logistics of getting 55% of the population vaccinated are much easier when you are only worried about 9M people. Israel has administered 10M doses all time. We have done that many shots in the last 3 days. In terms of spread and immunity things like population density and demographics are more important than raw size. A percent is a percent. Israel is not a perfect comparison to the US but it gives you an idea of ballpark you need to hit to see an impact.

 

[Parker in NYC]

The logistics of getting 55% of the population vaccinated are much easier when you are only worried about 9M people. Israel has administered 10M doses all time. We have done that many shots in the last 3 days. In terms of spread and immunity things like population density and demographics are more important than raw size. A percent is a percent. Israel is not a perfect comparison to the US but it gives you an idea of ballpark you need to hit to see an impact.

Maybe the more densely populated areas should be given preference then, or something like that. At least, apart from those in higher age brackets and pre-existing, etc. (should come up with an acronym for that). At least for starters. I don't know, maybe that's already happening - but I doubt it.