Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[JoeCamel]

For the 100th time, it doesn’t work that way. Unless you’re trying to create a variant the vaccines are less effective against.

Prior post showing how not getting vaccinated extends the time mitigations are necessary.


I’m starting to think the people who don’t want to get vaccinated want to continue mitigations forever. That’s the direct consequence of not enough people being vaccinated. The message isn’t “get vaccinated, stop masking immediately”. The message is “don’t get vaccinated, wear a mask forever”. Imposed on themselves and in any gathering unsure if everyone is vaccinated.

In a prior post, I said nobody was in favor of mitigations forever. I was wrong. Clearly all the people who don’t want to get vaccinated are in favor of mitigation forever.

People would have done their part last year we could have been New Zealand, well we have this so negative tests and vac cards it is....

 

[JoeCamel]

Something ironic about a video relating the process of making a vaccine and music, made in collaboration/money from Emergent Biosolutions. If one player in a symphony messes up...well that is what happened at emergent, they messed up the process in making J&J vaccine. (Johnson and Johnson is going to put more oversight on Emergent [Who is not yet FDA approved]. (See prior post by people describing the Emergent mistake)

But they did have time to make the cute video:
Direct video link:
Emergent page with link: https://www.emergentbiosolutions.com/covid-19

Johnson & Johnson Says Contractor Botched Part Of Vaccine Production

The drug company says the problem involved one batch of a substance that goes into its coronavirus vaccine. But the contractor, Emergent BioSolutions, has a history of problems.

www.npr.org

Emergent is hiring Quality Control specialists:

Emergent Biosolutions Seeks New Talent to Support Global COVID-19 Vaccination Push, Expanding Project Portfolio | BioBuzz

Maryland’s leading vaccine manufacturer, Emergent Biosolutions (Emergent), is a critical cog in the vaccine manufacturing and distribution engine as it has multiple COVID-19 vaccine manufacturing partnerships, including partnerships with J&J and AstraZeneca, among others. Emergent also partners...

biobuzz.io

To give one positive spin. Someone or some entity caught the mistake (That is good, and it was not buried, also good). It never got into anyone's arms(Really good). (Because no J&J vaccine components from this site have ever gotten into people arms [Not yet FDA approved])

Emergent had this in the can??? Ummm I have questions

 

[TheGuyThatMakesSwords]

If there was a presidential order for a vaccine passport would it over ride a governor’s order?

If not, what would?

Probably not, if it were not a proper LAW. Federal LAW is absolutely supreme. Everything else ends up in the Supreme Court

But let's flip this around... if individual STATES, or BUSINESSES Mandate Passports? It will take a Federal, or State LAW to stop them. Giving us up to 50 individual "electronic passports", on our smart phones . NY and HI are already in the process.

Case in point: Ronald DeSantis does not like the concept of anyone in FL mandating a "vaccine passport" for entry to their business. Not calling him right or wrong... just asking how the FL Legislature feels about the whole thing?

So OK, no problem... start carrying your PAPER CDC vaccination card. Inconvenient, but exactly the same as carrying a PAPER US passport. Those mass locations that demand proof of vaccination may very well be at a serious ADVANTAGE, perceived as safer. There are a load of other business dodges... two lines, one for COVID Card , another for mandatory test .

Not advocating anything.... just pointing out that a business entity has a LOAD of "right to refuse service" options - most pre-dating the entire COVID event. Out of an abundance of caution? DW & I are now carrying our CDC COVID Certificates.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

People would have done their part last year we could have been New Zealand

I got friends in New Zealand. They can't leave. It's the equivalent of booking a two bedroom at SSR and looking across the way at Disney Springs knowing you can't get there.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Chi84]

I’m not sure where I stand on the issue, but it should be noted that there are legitimate civil-rights concerns surrounding the question of vaccination passports. These concerns cross political lines and have made some unlikely bedfellows over in the UK:

Coronavirus: Dozens of MPs criticise 'divisive' Covid passports - BBC News

They say demanding proof of a jab or test would be "dangerous" amid reports that trials are planned.

www.bbc.com

Something worth considering before we rush forward with such passports.

That's an interesting article, and it certainly makes a case for leaving decisions about such passports to the legislators who have the authority to implement the laws society wants in place. It sounds as though the people being quoted have taken the temperature of their constituents and decided these laws are not something the people would support.

 

[Heppenheimer]

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No one has answered why full costume characters can not do meet and greets? I understand the face characters but full enclosed costumes?

Watching videos of our son last year at Story Tellers Cafe, when he was 1, I can see why. He kept trying to grab Mickey's nose and put it in his mouth.

 

[LittleBuford]

That's an interesting article, and it certainly makes a case for leaving decisions about such passports to the legislators who have the authority to implement the laws society wants in place. It sounds as though the people being quoted have taken the temperature of their constituents and decided these laws are not something the people would support.

Baroness Chakrabarti, the most prominent figure quoted, doesn’t have constituents. Her background is in law and human rights activism.

ETA: For those who watched the 2019 film Official Secrets, a true story starring Keira Knightley, Chakrabarti is the one played by Indira Varma from Game of Thrones.

 

[Chi84]

Baroness Chakrabarti, the most prominent figure quoted, doesn’t have constituents. Her background is in law and human rights activism.

ETA: For those who watched the 2019 film Official Secrets, a true story starring Keira Knightley, Chakrabarti is the one played by Indira Varma from Game of Thrones.

There's no question that those eminent leaders should weigh in. But I believe the ultimate decision should be left to the people through their elected representatives.

A whole lot of us spent the last year making a whole lot of sacrifices (voluntarily or involuntarily) in order to keep others safe at a time when there were no alternatives. Now that an alternative exists, people may not be on board with allowing those who decide not to get vaccinated to hold an entire society hostage to continued mitigation measures. If there are those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, exceptions could be created. If abuses occur, they will have be be dealt with - it's not like no one has ever cheated before.

If the situation occurs where people choose not to get vaccinated and vaccine passports are not allowed, I think there will be no choice other than to discontinue mandatory mitigation. I don't think this will even be an issue until we reach the point when anyone who wants a vaccine can get one. Hopefully, by that time, the virus will be sufficiently under control to make vaccination passports unnecessary.

 

[correcaminos]

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Watching videos of our son last year at Story Tellers Cafe, when he was 1, I can see why. He kept trying to grab Mickey's nose and put it in his mouth.

I have a pic of my son at like 5 months totally goobering Mickey's nose. Wonder what it is about the nose they try to eat it lol

 

[Disney Experience]

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Watching videos of our son last year at Story Tellers Cafe, when he was 1, I can see why. He kept trying to grab Mickey's nose and put it in his mouth.

I have always felt sorry for the cast members when they are in costumes in the heat of the summer.

I doubt Disney would do the following (too expensive unless they got a special deal):

But Zenga has a really special wool weave with a cool effect using nanotech. [My black wedding tuxedo was made of this and was cool in the Florida heat].

High Performance Micronsphere
The undisputed qualities of High Performance are here enhanced by the exclusive characteristics of Micronsphere, a revolutionary treatment guaranteeing absolute resistance to stains (by preventing dirt from
penetrating in depth) without affect ing the natural softness of the yarn.

Using nano-technology, High Perfomance is given a surface similar to that of a lotus leaf, which doesn’t absorb extraneous particles.
Micronsphere treatment also ensure s anti-stain performance that is long-lasting.
HIGH PERFORMANCE® COOL EFFECT is the latest development of this
exclusive Ermenegildo Zegna fabric. The innovative Cool Effect
finishing enables the surface of dark fabrics to reflect direct sunlight,
thus keeping the garment cool.

Amazing it is dark yet is cool , stain resistant and breathable in Florida heat. They just do not sell it cheap. Would love it if Mickey Mouse when dressed in black had that material.,

 

[GoofGoof]

The only issue with your plan is that, as stated above, the EO specifies that the State will not provide certification of vaccination Status to a third party. To implement your plan (which I think is a great idea BTW), Disney would have to rely on people emailing pictures or scans of the CDC card and just accepting some level of forgeries.

I don’t think this discussion is allowed here anymore since it relates to government actions but I will leave it at this, Disney will likely not do anything. They will keep masks and distancing for a while at WDW and not return to normal operations any time soon. It’s too bad because it doesn’t have to be that way, but it is what it is. It’s a loss for guests but also a big loss for the employees and the local economy that revolves highly around Disney and the crowds they bring in. Losing a good part or all of the Summer is a real shame. It would be pretty crazy if DLR gets back to having shows and indoor entertainment and full operations while requiring either proof of vaccination or a negative test. If that happened I may have to look into switching to CA for this Summer

 

[Jrb1979]

There's no question that those eminent leaders should weigh in. But I believe the ultimate decision should be left to the people through their elected representatives.

A whole lot of us spent the last year making a whole lot of sacrifices (voluntarily or involuntarily) in order to keep others safe at a time when there were no alternatives. Now that an alternative exists, people may not be on board with allowing those who decide not to get vaccinated to hold an entire society hostage to continued mitigation measures. If there are those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, exceptions could be created. If abuses occur, they will have be be dealt with - it's not like no one has ever cheated before.

If the situation occurs where people choose not to get vaccinated and vaccine passports are not allowed, I think there will be no choice other than to discontinue mandatory mitigation. I don't think this will even be an issue until we reach the point when anyone who wants a vaccine can get one. Hopefully, by that time, the virus will be sufficiently under control to make vaccination passports unnecessary.

I wish I could agree with in no passports being needed but I have my doubts. Places that involves everyday life they may not require one. I do see them requiring one for cruises, international travel, concerts and sporting events. Basically any place with large gatherings

 

[lisa12000]

I wish I could agree with in no passports being needed but I have my doubts. Places that involves everyday life they may not require one. I do see them requiring one for cruises, international travel, concerts and sporting events. Basically any place with large gatherings

Trouble is that the govt have apparently made a list of essential places that they won’t be needed in the uk rather than places they will - and the list isn’t very long . They will be needed (if you believe reports) in all hospitality whether it is Maccies or a pub or a sit down restaurant - not even cafes such as Costa are exempt. Doesn’t exempt shops even right now (though I’d hope I wouldn’t need one to go to see primark)

im okay with one for travel, large festivals and sporting events - not for everyday life (and I’ve been vaccinated)

 

[Chi84]

I don’t think this discussion is allowed here anymore since it relates to government actions but I will leave it at this, Disney will likely not do anything. They will keep masks and distancing for a while at WDW and not return to normal operations any time soon. It’s too bad because it doesn’t have to be that way, but it is what it is. It’s a loss for guests but also a big loss for the employees and the local economy that revolves highly around Disney and the crowds they bring in. Losing a good part or all of the Summer is a real shame. It would be pretty crazy if DLR gets back to having shows and indoor entertainment and full operations while requiring either proof of vaccination or a negative test. If that happened I may have to look into switching to CA for this Summer

I wouldn’t get discouraged or make any decisions based on an hours-old piece of political grandstanding.

 

[GoofGoof]

If there was a presidential order for a vaccine passport would it over ride a governor’s order?

If not, what would?

No. A presidential executive order cannot override state law. The Federal Government is free to setup a vaccine passport system but they cannot require any state to use it. If the Federal system is established which would be used for things like TSA at airports and International travel which are under the control of the Federal government I am not sure how residents of FL will be handled. Since the executive order also prevents state agencies from sharing vaccination status I would think if you got a vaccine in FL your status would not be easily confirmed. Not sure if a pharmacy chain would have the records and be able to link them, but for anyone that went to a government run vaccination site your record won’t be shared based on this EO. Could mean people have issues taking cruises or traveling Internationally.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

No. A presidential executive order cannot override state law. The Federal Government is free to setup a vaccine passport system but they cannot require any state to use it.

Ok. So what would over ride State Law?

 

[JoeCamel]

I got friends in New Zealand. They can't leave. It's the equivalent of booking a two bedroom at SSR and looking across the way at Disney Springs knowing you can't get there.

OK, I like it here

 

[Bullseye1967]

Ok. So what would over ride State Law?

This goes back to the same reason there is no Federal mask mandate.

 

[GoofGoof]

Ok. So what would over ride State Law?

Not sure anything can or will.