Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

Just to add to the vaccine resistance discussion it’s not just by state. Here‘s what’s happening now in PA:

As Americans scramble to get vaccinated, many rural, conservative Pennsylvanians feel no urgency

Rural and conservative Pennsylvanians' resistance to COVID-19 vaccination is likely to become more pronounced as younger people become eligible for shots.

www.inquirer.com

So even within the state they are seeing vaccine acceptance vary greatly between rural and urban/suburban areas and it’s not all politics that is driving the differences. Whatever the cause it’s going to be up to governors to pull in people from those resistant groups. That’s the key to get over the finish line.

I see it next door to you too! There's a reason why I can schedule in rural parts easier than my own city.

Key for each is to find out why not and try to work with it.

 

[GoofGoof]

Has anyone researched the single vs married demographics as well? Just from personal experience husband had the "eh I might get it at some point" attitude. But after just talking to him about his risks being higher due to asthma and at the least make me feel a little better, he's getting his. (He learned his lesson about not listening after his "just a sore" strep throat needed to be lanced at a hospital).
Women in general are shown to utilize health care services more than men so they could really push for men in their lives to get on board.

In polling women are actually slightly lower than men overall to want the vaccine. I think one of the primary anti-vaxx narratives is falsely related to fertility issues so that may be one of the drivers. It’s strange to me to see that too as I would have thought men would be more macho and think they don’t need it, but we are also big babies when we get sick so maybe that factors in

 

[GimpYancIent]

I don't trust polls. I don't know anyone that is not going to take the shot. However, look at the breakdown of the population by race and the vaccine distribution. Based on the facts that Caucasians and getting the vaccine at a higher rate than minorities, I find it hard to believe Trump voters are less like to get vaccinated unless there were more minorities voting for Trump than the media reported. Polls are just stupid because I do know many people who lie to pollsters and would never tell them the truth. Personally I agree with them because whrn politicians passed do not call laws they specifically exempted pollsters and political activity.

True!

 

[Clamman73]

In polling women are actually slightly lower than men overall to want the vaccine. I think one of the primary anti-vaxx narratives is falsely related to fertility issues so that may be one of the drivers. It’s strange to me to see that too as I would have thought men would be more macho and think they don’t need it, but we are also big babies when we get sick so maybe that factors in

Just checking my Facebook feed...the republican ones seem to be afraid to take it because it was only emergency approved, not actually approved by the FDA and it’s not actually a vaccine.
Also, they’re tired about the cleanliness stuff about mask wearing, washing hands, etc and that it’s compromising our immune system.

 

[JoeCamel]

Just checking my Facebook feed...the republican ones seem to be afraid to take it because it was only emergency approved, not actually approved by the FDA and it’s not actually a vaccine.
Also, they’re tired about the cleanliness stuff about mask wearing, washing hands, etc and that it’s compromising our immune system.

Darwin at work

 

[GimpYancIent]

Just checking my Facebook feed...the republican ones seem to be afraid to take it because it was only emergency approved, not actually approved by the FDA and it’s not actually a vaccine.
Also, they’re tired about the cleanliness stuff about mask wearing, washing hands, etc and that it’s compromising our immune system.

Yep there are folks out there that are still hunched over and dragging knuckles. You seem to selectively see through a very narrow lens the full view shows bipartisanship in the described behaviors. Nice try though.

 

[correcaminos]

True!

Can you stop trolling with your smileys? I'm not a Democrat and I am giving facts for my state I can easily go to regions that are full of people proudly displaying their MAGA stuff because they are not filling their slots. This is not republican bashing, it's a fact that our former president created a mentality that causes many crazy followers to become anti-vax. Not all republicans of course. But even his promoting the vaccine did not fully. We still have choices. Ugh. I don't get it. As a total moderate who didn't agree with the last few presidents at all this just baffles my mind and disgusts me.

Being angry doesn't solve the problem. I try to reason with all but acting like they don't exist and being mad at anyone stating facts is not helpful. Last time here, I'm not a Democrat so stop with the smileys. I'm a person who tries to help all and have scheduled for many. I don't care who you voted for, i just want us all vaccinated so I can live a normal life.

 

[GoofGoof]

Just checking my Facebook feed...the republican ones seem to be afraid to take it because it was only emergency approved, not actually approved by the FDA and it’s not actually a vaccine.
Also, they’re tired about the cleanliness stuff about mask wearing, washing hands, etc and that it’s compromising our immune system.

It’s not actually a vaccine? I’m almost afraid to ask what they think it is then? That’s a new one I haven’t heard yet. Did someone tell the anti-vaxx movement that the Covid vaccine is not really a vaccine? That would blow their minds

 

[CatesMom]

My extended Republican-leaning family has all jumped at the chance to get vaccinated as soon as possible. So I have hope that vaccine uptake will be high enough to propel our communities out of the pandemic. But on the other end of the scale, I saw some masks for sale in another Disney group proclaiming "I'm NOT vaccinated." Very disheartening.

 

[Clamman73]

It’s not actually a vaccine? I’m almost afraid to ask what they think it is then? That’s a new one I haven’t heard yet. Did someone tell the anti-vaxx movement that the Covid vaccine is not really a vaccine? That would blow their minds

Something about gene therapy...

 

[Patcheslee]

In polling women are actually slightly lower than men overall to want the vaccine. I think one of the primary anti-vaxx narratives is falsely related to fertility issues so that may be one of the drivers. It’s strange to me to see that too as I would have thought men would be more macho and think they don’t need it, but we are also big babies when we get sick so maybe that factors in

That's surprising to hear since women are leading in being vaccinated so far. It may partially be due to eligible professions that have a larger ratio of women than men though. After 40 the risks in childbirth is increased if not impossible, so wasn't even something I had thought of for me to get it. My 12yo, it will be the same as always, trust her doctor when the time comes.
Once all ages can get it hopefully we'll get a clearer picture of hesitancy vs flat no.

 

[GoofGoof]

That's surprising to hear since women are leading in being vaccinated so far. It may partially be due to eligible professions that have a larger ratio of women than men though. After 40 the risks in childbirth is increased if not impossible, so wasn't even something I had thought of for me to get it. My 12yo, it will be the same as always, trust her doctor when the time comes.
Once all ages can get it hopefully we'll get a clearer picture of hesitancy vs flat no.

It is possible that’s the case since healthcare and now education tend to skew towards women and they live longer so more 65+ . This is from the latest pew research poll:

• A smaller majority of women (66%) than men (72%) intend to get a vaccine or have already received at least one dose. Among those not planning to get vaccinated, women are more likely than men to cite concerns about the rapid pace of vaccine development and a lack of information about how well they work as major reasons why they don’t plan to get a vaccine.

So the disparity between men and women is pretty small, just a 6% difference which isn’t much outside the margin of error. I would have just thought it would be small going the other way. On the larger race categories it‘s good news that the disparity between black and white is also shrinking compared to a few months ago. Only a 7% difference (61 vs 69) with Hispanics right at 70%. Asian Americans lead the pack at 91%. I don’t think these numbers are reflected in the current actual vaccinations either as there are likely still issues with availability in a lot of minority communities. We need to do better with that, but it’s good news that it’s not a lack of desire just an issue with access.

Growing Share of Americans Say They Plan To Get a COVID-19 Vaccine – or Already Have

77% think vaccinations will benefit the economy.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[DC0703]

It’s not actually a vaccine? I’m almost afraid to ask what they think it is then? That’s a new one I haven’t heard yet. Did someone tell the anti-vaxx movement that the Covid vaccine is not really a vaccine? That would blow their minds

Yeah, I've seen this theory floating around social media lately. It seems to be an argument that mRNA vaccines are not really vaccines because they are not made with inactivated virus samples or genetically-engineered antigens.

It's the same sort of "overly literal interpretation of CDC information" nonsense that led to the conspiracy theory that COVID deaths weren't from COVID due to having multiple causes listed on the death certificates. In both cases people take a data point from an official CDC source, interpret it in an extremely literal fashion (in this case, a traditional description of a vaccine), and twist the information into a false narrative on social media.

 

[correcaminos]

That's surprising to hear since women are leading in being vaccinated so far. It may partially be due to eligible professions that have a larger ratio of women than men though. After 40 the risks in childbirth is increased if not impossible, so wasn't even something I had thought of for me to get it. My 12yo, it will be the same as always, trust her doctor when the time comes.
Once all ages can get it hopefully we'll get a clearer picture of hesitancy vs flat no.

Someone started a false rumor as an anti-vaxxer I think and the story ran. I cannot believe how many times I have seen it said. I would imagine that what you said does make women lead though. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out in the end.

 

[JoeCamel]

Yeah, I've seen this theory floating around social media lately. It seems to be an argument that mRNA vaccines are not really vaccines because they are not made with inactivated virus samples or genetically-engineered antigens.

It's the same sort of "overly literal interpretation of CDC information" nonsense that led to the conspiracy theory that COVID deaths weren't from COVID due to having multiple causes listed on the death certificates. In both cases people take a data point from an official CDC source, interpret it in an extremely literal fashion (in this case, a traditional description of a vaccine), and twist the information into a false narrative on social media.

The word does not mean what they think it means (or have been told it means)
\
Vaccine
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"there is no vaccine against the virus"


ETA: To be clear, we have many vaccines against this virus, go get you some....

 

[ParentsOf4]

Right now only 46% of 65+ are fully vaccinated and some are still not over their 2 weeks beyond second shot.

Per the Associated Press:

70% of Americans over 65 have received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine​

It's my understanding that even the first dose provides some level of protection.

Quoting further from the article:

More than 43% of Americans 65 and older — the most vulnerable age group, accounting for an outsize share of the nation’s more than 540,000 coronavirus deaths — have been fully vaccinated, according to the CDC. The number of older adults showing up in emergency rooms with COVID-19 is down significantly. Vaccinations overall have ramped up to 2.5 million to 3 million shots per day.​

Please oh please let's get this number up!

 

[correcaminos]

My extended Republican-leaning family has all jumped at the chance to get vaccinated as soon as possible. So I have hope that vaccine uptake will be high enough to propel our communities out of the pandemic. But on the other end of the scale, I saw some masks for sale in another Disney group proclaiming "I'm NOT vaccinated." Very disheartening.

It's not necessarily just a republican thing I thing, but a specific mentality. Those who believe this was a hoax types fueled by months of denial by many politicians. I know lots of republican and independents that may lean right that are thrilled to have the vaccine. It goes the other way too. Some are vocal and proud of not getting it. In my own state a friend posted that they got the vaccine and their sister in law (I think) proudly stated they were not and refused to since they'd have to wear a mask to get it. Left me confused.

There seems to be so much anger and hate with some right now, it is harder to get through. I loathe that people make this political (much like anyone who makes things like racism political) and find it weird that some have made it this way.

I've said other places we have to meet hesitancy where they are and try to work through it. I'm not judging or being angry towards people when discussing why this is so important. I'm honestly becoming a bit selfish, I want life back to normal for all. I really had hoped more of the politicians could put their feelings aside and work together like the former presidents did. I may not like policies of these people (in all cases many things I disliked of each) but coming together is good. I wish more of the US would do it.

 

[GoofGoof]

Per the Associated Press:

70% of Americans over 65 have received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine​

It's my understanding that even the first dose provides some level of protection.

Quoting further from the article:

More than 43% of Americans 65 and older — the most vulnerable age group, accounting for an outsize share of the nation’s more than 540,000 coronavirus deaths — have been fully vaccinated, according to the CDC. The number of older adults showing up in emergency rooms with COVID-19 is down significantly. Vaccinations overall have ramped up to 2.5 million to 3 million shots per day.​

Please oh please let's get this number up!

That lines up with the CDC tracker:

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Up to 71.8% 65+ with at least 1 dose. I assume almost everyone who got shot 1 will go back for the second and like you said even 1 dose provides a really high level of protection against death and serious illness. Since deaths are on a lag I think in a month or so the death numbers will be really down. I can’t find any real solid data on number of people under 65 with health conditions vaccinated but most states opened later for that group so I imagine they are a bit behind 65+. I think there are still quite a few 65+ and high risk people who will be willing to get vaccinated too. We are at 71.8% 65+ even though we have been essentially forcing people to jump through hoops to get it. When we turn towards more proactive plans to get the rest in I think we can get to 85%+ for that group. Same for people with medical conditions that make them high risk. It may be a little harder convincing that many young and healthy people.

 

[correcaminos]

Per the Associated Press:

70% of Americans over 65 have received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine​

It's my understanding that even the first dose provides some level of protection.

Quoting further from the article:

More than 43% of Americans 65 and older — the most vulnerable age group, accounting for an outsize share of the nation’s more than 540,000 coronavirus deaths — have been fully vaccinated, according to the CDC. The number of older adults showing up in emergency rooms with COVID-19 is down significantly. Vaccinations overall have ramped up to 2.5 million to 3 million shots per day.​

Please oh please let's get this number up!

Many are struggling to find appointments still. Some need rides or help in general getting to one. If we can do more out reaching to others maybe we can get it up!

 

[GoofGoof]

Many are struggling to find appointments still. Some need rides or help in general getting to one. If we can do more out reaching to others maybe we can get it up!

Exactly. I’ve been able to get appointments for some of my older relatives but not everyone has someone who can or is willing to do that. Pretty soon states will be ramping up the next phase of vaccinations which will be active campaigns to find people who still want the vaccine and find a way to get it to them. It will be slower going then opening mass vaccination sites or online pharmacy chain appointments but it’s no less important.