Maybe he decided for once to not be an attention ? I am sorry but keeping your health decisions private is not really a big deal and kind of normal. It is only a big deal now because it gives people one more thing to hate on the former president for.
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Also in the NYT: New Jersey's death rate per population from COVID over the past week is *lower* than Florida's.
How does that factor in your estimation of public health policy?
And three weeks from now when FL has the Spring Break bump, will you be crowing about the numbers then?
As I've said many times in this thread over the past year, number of cases and positivity aren't helpful numbers if the population isn't randomly tested. E.g., if a state is only encouraging those with symptoms to be tested, then the rate will be high as opposed to people voluntarily going to get tested themselves whether they have symptoms or were exposed to someone known to have the virus. Keep an eye on hospitalizations and numbers of corpses.
Sirwalterraleigh
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I’ll never land a shell inside your “fortress”
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DisneyDebRob
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Dr.Control Freak. There’s the shot. Thanks for not disappointing.
GimpYancIent
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Actually interesting points made. Oh yea, you are quite amusing!
GimpYancIent
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I am not a fan of the current administration, but, talking about them that way is not right.
Not when you need to convince a skeptical public. I value privacy in my health but I publicly broadcast my vaccination every chance I get. I don’t have nearly the reach he does, again his supporters are the largest holdout, it would help convince a significant number of them to change their mind if he endorsed them publicly and urged his supporters to get one. But he won’t, and color me significantly surprised if he ever does.
lazyboy97o
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Each Six Flags park has to follow local rules. Nobody can tell you exactly what will happen in the future.
Sirwalterraleigh
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DisneyDebRob
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Pfizer vaccine shows 94% effectiveness against asymptomatic transmission of COVID
Pfizer's vaccine is successful in preventing not only symptomatic COVID-19, but also asymptomatic disease according to new data, and effective against the UK variant.
www.google.com
some great news!
Sirwalterraleigh
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If only Fauci lived in Florida and gardened without head sun protection....
He would have had this thing “figured out” last April.
Too bad.
DisneyCane
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I don't know how it will turn out but death rate over the past seven days is not a valid statistic because of the reporting delays. The stat you are quoting is "reported deaths." FL has been below 100 deaths occurring per day for about a month now. No point in quoting the past week numbers because they will most certainly increase.
If there is a spring break bump, it will be seen mostly in other places since people will travel to FL for spring break and then back home. Cases may increase a bit in FL but they will be mostly in the under 30 population. With the 65+ (60+ starting Monday) being vaccinated several hundred thousand per week, increased case count in the young population won't add to significant deaths down the road.
Glad I could give you what you wanted. It is a shot and I do think he is a control freak on a power trip. That doesn't mean he isn't an expert on epidemiology. The two are not mutually exlusive.
GimpYancIent
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Yep, calling it like I see it. Looks like a three / two count for you!You might be upside down on that one, slugger️
Sirwalterraleigh
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That’s debatable. I’m just tired...Rodney king wanted us all to “just get along”
Sirwalterraleigh
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What do you do with an elephant with 3 balls??
...you walk him and pitch to the rhino
Heppenheimer
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Once again, let's be clear what Operation Warp Speed did and didn't do.
What it did do: It provided a priori funding for multiple steps in the vaccination development process. This meant that the drug companies had guaranteed financing and could skip some of the usual administrative steps. Rather than needing to hawk the results of earlier stages of the trials to investors, and thus obtain the funding for the next step, it was guaranteed in advanced, so they could seamlessly jump from one stage to the next and even start mass manufacturing long before approval. Of note, 2 of the 3 vaccines currently marketed in the US received research funds from this program, but the first released, Pfizer-BIONTECH did not take any from the US , other than pre-purchasing doses at a much later date. The initial government funding for Pfizer-BIONTECH came from Germany in January of 2020, back when someone in particular was in complete denial of the tidal wave about to hit the world. Of the 6 proposed vaccinations from Operation Warp Speed, Merk's has been withdrawn from testing, Astra-Zeneca and Sanofi/GlaxoSmithKline may never be approved in the US (the latter may never make it anywhere else either).
What it did not do: Although Operation Warp Speed did hasten parts of the process, with vaccine development, the real rate limiting step isn't these intermediate financing stages, but reaching the clinical end-points of the trials. These have pre-defined criteria based on certain statistical efficacy and safety targets. To put it simply, you can't conclude this part of the trial until the placebo group accumulates a certain number of infections compared to the treatment group. This is the usual reason why vaccine development lasts for years... the accumulation of cases trickles in very slowly. We were able to reach the clinical end points of the current vaccines so quickly not because of Operation Warp Speed, but simply because the pandemic raged so out of control that the trials met their targets much faster than expected.
What it did do: It provided a priori funding for multiple steps in the vaccination development process. This meant that the drug companies had guaranteed financing and could skip some of the usual administrative steps. Rather than needing to hawk the results of earlier stages of the trials to investors, and thus obtain the funding for the next step, it was guaranteed in advanced, so they could seamlessly jump from one stage to the next and even start mass manufacturing long before approval. Of note, 2 of the 3 vaccines currently marketed in the US received research funds from this program, but the first released, Pfizer-BIONTECH did not take any from the US , other than pre-purchasing doses at a much later date. The initial government funding for Pfizer-BIONTECH came from Germany in January of 2020, back when someone in particular was in complete denial of the tidal wave about to hit the world. Of the 6 proposed vaccinations from Operation Warp Speed, Merk's has been withdrawn from testing, Astra-Zeneca and Sanofi/GlaxoSmithKline may never be approved in the US (the latter may never make it anywhere else either).
What it did not do: Although Operation Warp Speed did hasten parts of the process, with vaccine development, the real rate limiting step isn't these intermediate financing stages, but reaching the clinical end-points of the trials. These have pre-defined criteria based on certain statistical efficacy and safety targets. To put it simply, you can't conclude this part of the trial until the placebo group accumulates a certain number of infections compared to the treatment group. This is the usual reason why vaccine development lasts for years... the accumulation of cases trickles in very slowly. We were able to reach the clinical end points of the current vaccines so quickly not because of Operation Warp Speed, but simply because the pandemic raged so out of control that the trials met their targets much faster than expected.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Unless they moved great adventure out of New Jersey...I’ll bet this doesn’t happen there.
I think it is very insulting that you think his supporters wont get one or that they are anit vaxx! I know tons of Trump supporters/voters all who have gotten or plan to get them vaccine when available. Is there a small group of wackos sure but the stereotyping on this thread is insulting and just plain ignorant.
CaptainAmerica
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The data is pretty clear on that though. 47% of Trump voters say they won't get the vax. It's the highest percentage of any group.
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