Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[mmascari]

Fraud or no fraud it’s not something we will know about for years.

Yes and no, it depends on the question you're trying to answer.

Was there any fraud at all anywhere in the system where even 1 or 100 or 1,000 deaths were labeled COVID by someone incorrectly because they wanted something. Sure, I'll buy that we may not know that answer for years. I would even just accept a yes right now. After all, there have been 500,000+ deaths, it's certainly possible that at least 1 of them was attributed wrong on purpose. I would even accept that it would make media reporting, it's a good story, sensational and rare, both attributes that make things news.

Was there so much fraud the entire COVID death risk is overrated and wrong? That fraud is so rampant that 10,000, 50,000, or 100,000 of the 500,000+ deaths is a lie? We know that now, there's no need to wait years. It's just not happening at a scale that would have any impact on COVID death risk reporting. Massive grift and law breaking is also a good news story.

All the posts here arguing fraud are the second. None of them are people looking at individual hospital systems trying to dig out a few hundred cases of fraud. They're all trying to say that the entire risk of COVID is lower because fraud is so rampant. We absolutely know this is incorrect now and do not need to wait years for it to surface.

 

[danlb_2000]

Yes and no, it depends on the question you're trying to answer.

Was there any fraud at all anywhere in the system where even 1 or 100 or 1,000 deaths were labeled COVID by someone incorrectly because they wanted something. Sure, I'll buy that we may not know that answer for years. I would even just accept a yes right now. After all, there have been 500,000+ deaths, it's certainly possible that at least 1 of them was attributed wrong on purpose. I would even accept that it would make media reporting, it's a good story, sensational and rare, both attributes that make things news.

Was there so much fraud the entire COVID death risk is overrated and wrong? That fraud is so rampant that 10,000, 50,000, or 100,000 of the 500,000+ deaths is a lie? We know that now, there's no need to wait years. It's just not happening at a scale that would have any impact on COVID death risk reporting. Massive grift and law breaking is also a good news story.

All the posts here arguing fraud are the second. None of them are people looking at individual hospital systems trying to dig out a few hundred cases of fraud. They're all trying to say that the entire risk of COVID is lower because fraud is so rampant. We absolutely know this is incorrect now and do not need to wait years for it to surface.

Are we talking about COVID deaths or voting?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

They're all trying to say that the entire risk of COVID is lower because fraud is so rampant. We absolutely know this is incorrect now and do not need to wait years for it to surface.

Risk of COVID is lower than it appears to be because people are ignorant and react to anecdotes more than data and they have no tangible grasp on how the number 500,000 relates to the number 330,000,000.

 

[havoc315]

Risk of COVID is lower than it appears to be because people are ignorant and react to anecdotes more than data and they have no tangible grasp on how the number 500,000 relates to the number 330,000,000.

I'd say that the risk of death is higher than it appears... because I do grasp the magnitude of 500,000 deaths... which is likely an undercount.. in less than 1 year... while taking mitigation measures. And because I have seen Covid death affect way too may friends and family.

For 15-20% of all deaths in the year to be Covid deaths.. that's huge.

 

[danlb_2000]

I'd say that the risk of death is higher than it appears... because I do grasp the magnitude of 500,000 deaths... which is likely an undercount.. in less than 1 year... while taking mitigation measures. And because I have seen Covid death affect way too may friends and family.

For 15-20% of all deaths in the year to be Covid deaths.. that's huge.

... and that is still only looking at lived and died, we all know there are a lot of other outcomes to be considered.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So if the cause of death has been faked in so many cases, what is the explanation for all of the excess deaths every week dating back to the week ending 3/28/2020? There have been hundreds of thousands of excess deaths over the past 11 months and the fact that they line up with the start of the pandemic and have generally followed along with the waves in COVID-19 cases isn't just a coincidence.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

www.cdc.gov

This was debunked last year...”deaths above average” corresponds almost EXACLTY to the corona count.

You actually can’t BS math...unless you’re on Capitol Hill

 

[mmascari]

Risk of COVID is lower than it appears to be because people are ignorant and react to anecdotes more than data and they have no tangible grasp on how the number 500,000 relates to the number 330,000,000.

Lower than what?

Because, 500,000/330,000,000 over the course of a year, for an event with a significant impact outcome seems like something to worry about.

 

[kong1802]

Lower than what?

Because, 500,000/330,000,000 over the course of a year, for an event with a significant impact outcome seems like something to worry about.

I was really really hoping that at this point we would be passed the "It's only been x amount of deaths" argument.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I was really really hoping that at this point we would be passed the "It's only been x amount of deaths" argument.

418,000 US combat deaths in world war 2...Incase anyone is wondering

Machine guns, artillery, non-pressurized airplane cabins....four years...minor stuff

 

[Heppenheimer]

I was really really hoping that at this point we would be passed the "It's only been x amount of deaths" argument.

Happy Anniversary!

 

[Parker in NYC]

Just me jumping in every week or so to say.... JESUS THIS IS STILL HAPPENING.

 

[Touchdown]

You actually can’t BS math...unless you’re on Capitol Hill

Or a statistician

As we know, there’s lies, darn lies and statistics.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Lower than what?

Because, 500,000/330,000,000 over the course of a year, for an event with a significant impact outcome seems like something to worry about.

Now do it by demographic cohort and tell me how scared a 30 year old woman should be?

Spoiler alert: Not at all.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Now do it by demographic cohort and tell me how scared a 30 year old woman should be?

Spoiler alert: Not at all.

Jesus...H....

You missed it from day 1.

 

[Touchdown]

Now do it by demographic cohort and tell me how scared a 30 year old woman should be?

Spoiler alert: Not at all.

That depends,

Scared she get Covid, pass it to and thus kill grandma, yes she should. Scared she might get Covid, and have long term effects, we don’t know how prevalent they are. Also while Covid mortality is lower in younger people it isn’t zero, would be interesting to see what percent of deaths in her cohort were caused by Covid this year (ie what is the solution to Covid deaths by 30-39 year olds/Total deaths by 30-39 year olds.)

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Jesus...H....

You missed it from day 1.

Our scatter-shot approach has cost lives. We should have been laser-focused on nursing homes. But the politicians didn't want to call a spade a spade and admit that this is a disease that kills old, sick people.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Our scatter-shot approach has cost lives. We should have been laser-focused on nursing homes. But the politicians didn't want to call a spade a spade and admit that this is a disease that kills old, sick people.

Ah, back to the old "isolate the vulnerable and let everyone else go play" idea. This truly is nostalgia day.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Ah, back to the old "isolate the vulnerable and let everyone else go play" idea. This truly is nostalgia day.

Oh no, let me be absolutely clear. I 100% support the right of the vulnerable to go out and play, too.

 

[kong1802]

Ah, back to the old "isolate the vulnerable and let everyone else go play" idea. This truly is nostalgia day.

We are just missing a few of the "classics"

"It will be gone by summer 2020"

"It will be gone when the new guy gets sworn in"

"Only positives are being reported"

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Our scatter-shot approach has cost lives. We should have been laser-focused on nursing homes. But the politicians didn't want to call a spade a spade and admit that this is a disease that kills old, sick people.

The death count is not limited to nursing homes...

And the carriers were all ages.

You’re believing what you want to believe.