Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

Are you telling me the pocono Mountains in PA aren’t on par with Aspen

It‘s like going to a casino to gamble. I can drive down the road to a local casino and play blackjack or roulette or slots but it’s in no way the same overall experience as going to Vegas.

Vegas is one of a kind for gambling, food and drink. When my brother went to Hong Kong on vacation with his friends, they made a side trip to Macau. Macau is light years ahead of Vegas.

 

[lisa12000]

First of all you are not speaking FOR the U.K. but FROM the U.K.. A semantic but vital difference. (Sorry but you’re not speaking for me!)
The government has been accused of ignoring the science so having SAGE speaking to us directly I consider progress. If, as they say, restrictions need to remain in place then they should remain in place. I doubt that they are on a power crush, instead I think that they are desperately trying to explain to the British public what they believe to be true.
I do not understand the reticence of wearing masks whenever you leave the house. Forever seems unlikely but who can see into the future and decide now when it will happen in the future? Surely it is better to remain cautious rather than risk the outbreak spreading again.
As for the Unions, you especially mentioned teachers. Teachers who have suffered horrendously throughout the pandemic. Being an ex teacher and having many friends who remain in the profession I can’t begin to explain the fear, the stress and the additional work load that they have had to cope with. That doesn’t even take into account the number of school based staff who have had COVID-19 and those who have died. Education is vital but health and safety overrides everything. The Union celebrated because it meant that teachers and school based staff were in less danger. Schools remain open for the children of key workers so staff are dealing with and planning lessons for those in school, those distance learning and being available for zoom classes throughout the day.
There is no easy solution but releasing the restrictions too quickly will, in my opinion, risk the R rate increasing with the resulting hospitalisations and deaths. Not to mention making the roll out of vaccines less effective. There is no scientific evidence, as yet, that those who are vaccinated are not able to spread the virus as asymptomatic carriers do. Until we have clarification on this I firmly believe it would be utterly stupid to remove any restrictions or reopen schools and non essential shops and services.

Oh my goodness I mistakenly said for instead of from and you jump down my throat!

do you genuinely believe in wearing masks every time you step outside your house? I genuinely cannot understand this? And you’re quite prepared to do this forever? Well I’m not I have to say - I wear one within the law but if anyone tells me I have to wear one everytime I step outside my house they can go swivel! Every time I wear one more than 30 mins odd I get bacterial throat infections and I’ve tried every single mask there is!

So you are saying that boris shouldn’t release any restrictions until we have definite proof? No matter that that could be months? I’m sorry that’s just plain wrong - our country is dying on its feet, the economy is through the floor! You do that and there will be absolutely no returning from it. I’ve seen your posts consistently and you seem to advocate a position so far to the extreme of not opening up anything at all until there’s no risk - for me that’s as bad as the other side of throw everything open at once which is as much wrong

as for your remarks about teaching and teachers - our children need school; not online zoom classes where there is no engagement from students, where students disappear in lessons, where children have had to mute themselves and some have to leave because there parents are arguing downstairs abs they’re embarrassed, that have poor internet connection or laptops that are struggling, of little children who really struggle to cope with online learning. Did you know that for primary schools many are asking parents to be in the lesson with them - that’s primary teachers not only doing their lessons to 30 children but also all their parents as well! It is not sustainable in the long term - children in year 1 have regressed the most out of all the year groups, our year 13s will get qualifications that they’ve had no formal assessment on, even those taking btecs with modular exams - there is talk of no exams next year already! That will mean year 11s last year will have lost their GCSEs and their a level assessments - and will be expected to go on to university without skills! This is a crisis! Exam system has collapsed! Integrity of qualifications has gone!

don’t talk to me about teachers and how stressed they are! Guess what I am one! I know the stress every single day and I am still absolutely disgusted by the unions as are many of not all of my colleagues

I don’t often get angry on any forum but your replies to me make me angry - I’m not covid denier, my most wonderful friend died of it back last April, my sister works in an ICU ward in derby but the harm that your proposing by suggesting no opening up potentially for many more months is huge

(apologies to everyone else for this rant)

 

[lisa12000]

Where's the evidence he actually said that? In the ITV interview I saw, he said the COVID-19 virus will be around in some form "probably forever," which is totally different. Almost all infectious disease experts agree that the virus is likely to be endemic, much like the flu, but doesn't mean mandatory masks forever at all (or even once most people have been vaccinated).

t came after SAGE expert Professor John Edmunds told ITV's Peston that most curbs on daily life — which may include the Rule of Six — are likely to be in force until the end of this year, while less restrictive curbs — like face mask wearing on public transport and indoors — could possibly be in place 'forever'. - widely reported on the newspapers and I watched the interview. It worries me because I have no reason to be exempt so I wear them as required but they make me ill - believe me I’ve behaved within the law throughout but mask wearing forever is my biggest fear (as well as never getting to teach again properly)

 

[DCBaker]

Current Florida vaccine report -

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 96 new reported deaths.

 

[Heppenheimer]

It depends how you define "ski resort". If you have skied in the Rockies, nothing in the east is even close.

The Alps have them all beat, in my opinion.

One of the best resorts I've ever visited in North America, though, is Mont Tremblant in Quebec. It has the look and feel of something Disney would run.

Speaking of which, today I went skiing on a weekend for the first time this year, at one of the local resorts. Even without all the Canadians we usually see, it was somewhat crowded, and with the enforced social distancing, the lines for the lifts felt like what it must be like at Disney parks right now.

 

[Chi84]

t came after SAGE expert Professor John Edmunds told ITV's Peston that most curbs on daily life — which may include the Rule of Six — are likely to be in force until the end of this year, while less restrictive curbs — like face mask wearing on public transport and indoors — could possibly be in place 'forever'. - widely reported on the newspapers and I watched the interview. It worries me because I have no reason to be exempt so I wear them as required but they make me ill - believe me I’ve behaved within the law throughout but mask wearing forever is my biggest fear (as well as never getting to teach again properly)

I’m pretty sure you can’t have a valid issue with masks here. You’ll be told you’re mistaken, weak-willed or an outright liar (and likely subjected to a gratuitous scolding - see post #53,400 lol). It’s absolutely essential to wear masks right now for several reasons - I don’t know when it became essential to believe no one could possibly have a problem with wearing them.

 

[correcaminos]

I’m pretty sure you can’t have a valid issue with masks here. You’ll be told you’re mistaken, weak-willed or an outright liar (and likely subjected to a gratuitous scolding - see post #53,400 lol). It’s absolutely essential to wear masks right now for several reasons - I don’t know when it became essential to believe no one could possibly have a problem with wearing them.

There are valid reasons and total bs reasons. I deal with anxiety. Bad masks trigger it, and having a small head with scar tissue on top of my ear makes a lot of masks bad. But I still wear it. Those with specific disabilities cannot wear. Infants same. The throat infections have been debunked more than once. People make up stuff all the time to be contrary. It's honestly tiresome. If I can wear one with legit issues, most can. And when I struggled to find ones that fit right, I stayed home.

 

[Chi84]

There are valid reasons and total bs reasons. I deal with anxiety. Bad masks trigger it, and having a small head with scar tissue on top of my ear makes a lot of masks bad. But I still wear it. Those with specific disabilities cannot wear. Infants same. The throat infections have been debunked more than once. People make up stuff all the time to be contrary. It's honestly tiresome. If I can wear one with legit issues, most can. And when I struggled to find ones that fit right, I stayed home.

That's a very thoughtful take on the matter. But rarely does anyone who claims having problems with masks say they aren't wearing them, just that they have problems doing so. The poster I replied to said they wore masks whenever required even though it caused them problems - then was immediately subjected to some truly nasty comments.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's a very thoughtful take on the matter. But rarely does anyone who claims having problems with masks say they aren't wearing them, just that they have problems doing so. The poster I replied to said they wore masks whenever required even though it caused them problems - then was immediately subjected to some truly nasty comments.

What nasty comments? The assumption was that the poster is reporting correctly. If a person keeps getting infections easily then there is some underlying issue that should be addressed.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Wow! You are truly lovely person - I say again I can assure you my teeth are perfect

A face mask can give you a sore throat if you haven’t been wearing a clean one every time. Ex: you keep it in your car and wear it several times before washing it.

Also, while wearing a mask you may find yourself having to speak louder, which causes a strain on your throat which is interpreted as a sore throat.

 

[GoofGoof]

A face mask can give you a sore throat if you haven’t been wearing a clean one every time. Ex: you keep it in your car and wear it several times before washing it.

Also, while wearing a mask you may find yourself having to speak louder, which causes a strain on your throat which is interpreted as a sore throat.

I have a mask in my car that I have used for months now. I only use it at a drive thru or to run into a store or something so rarely on for more than 10 mins at a time. I never considered it could cause an issue.

 

[correcaminos]

That's a very thoughtful take on the matter. But rarely does anyone who claims having problems with masks say they aren't wearing them, just that they have problems doing so. The poster I replied to said they wore masks whenever required even though it caused them problems - then was immediately subjected to some truly nasty comments.

Yeah no, I see it with my own eyes that those with "problems" don't wear one. They use it as an excuse. Yes some do, but many don't. I am sympathetic to those who cannot. My aunt in her last month or so of life could not. I get issues and even myself, but just not with those who don't play nice about it. I mean I hate them. The keloid scar makes in painful, spinal issues makes ties around necks even worse, the anxiety sucks and yet I manage for hours at a time when needed. I do think many anti maskers make stuff up tbh because I see it.

Throat infections caused by masks are due to unsanitary issues as I pointed out. Not the mask itself. Nothing wrong with stating so.

I have a mask in my car that I have used for months now. I only use it at a drive thru or to run into a store or something so rarely on for more than 10 mins at a time. I never considered it could cause an issue.

Yeah defintiely bad. Wash after use please. I keep a pile of disposable in my car in case but it's one and done. No mirror hanging for me

 

[JoeCamel]

I have a mask in my car that I have used for months now. I only use it at a drive thru or to run into a store or something so rarely on for more than 10 mins at a time. I never considered it could cause an issue.

I go with the dry out die out on my disposable, if only worn to pop in on cool days I am fine with leaving it in the car to dry til next day.

 

[Touchdown]

The human mouth is a disgusting place, a human bite is the worst bite to have and we need to cover you the most broadly with antibiotics for a human bite then any animal bite. It doesn’t matter how clean your teeth are.

 

[matt9112]

Come on man. What Fauci said about masks in March caused a good portion of the anti-mask movement? So you really believe a good portion of the people opposed to masks only came to that conclusion because of “Fauci’s lie”? Do you realize how delusional that sounds? “Fauci’s lie“ was used as a talking point to justify anti-mask sentiment, thats for sure but I don’t believe for a second a single person who is anti-mask would have happily complied to all mask requirements if he never made the statement he made.

Fauci is hated because he stood up to Trump and made him look bad. He was embraced by the anti-Trump crowd as a voice of reason which made him hated by the pro-Trump crowd. Simple politics.

Sorry all i can hear is joe biden...with the come on man in the beginning there.

 

[lisa12000]

A face mask can give you a sore throat if you haven’t been wearing a clean one every time. Ex: you keep it in your car and wear it several times before washing it.

Also, while wearing a mask you may find yourself having to speak louder, which causes a strain on your throat which is interpreted as a sore throat.

thank you for your reasonable response - I do wear a clear one each time but I do suffer a lot from throat issues anyway so there is a weakness there - just exacerbated possibly by multiple factors I guess. Just to reiterate - I’m not exempt so don’t try and use that and wear one wherever I go thst j have to - but the thought of having to wear them indefinitely really does affect my mood

 

[Flugell]

Oh my goodness I mistakenly said for instead of from and you jump down my throat!

do you genuinely believe in wearing masks every time you step outside your house? I genuinely cannot understand this? And you’re quite prepared to do this forever? Well I’m not I have to say - I wear one within the law but if anyone tells me I have to wear one everytime I step outside my house they can go swivel! Every time I wear one more than 30 mins odd I get bacterial throat infections and I’ve tried every single mask there is!

So you are saying that boris shouldn’t release any restrictions until we have definite proof? No matter that that could be months? I’m sorry that’s just plain wrong - our country is dying on its feet, the economy is through the floor! You do that and there will be absolutely no returning from it. I’ve seen your posts consistently and you seem to advocate a position so far to the extreme of not opening up anything at all until there’s no risk - for me that’s as bad as the other side of throw everything open at once which is as much wrong

as for your remarks about teaching and teachers - our children need school; not online zoom classes where there is no engagement from students, where students disappear in lessons, where children have had to mute themselves and some have to leave because there parents are arguing downstairs abs they’re embarrassed, that have poor internet connection or laptops that are struggling, of little children who really struggle to cope with online learning. Did you know that for primary schools many are asking parents to be in the lesson with them - that’s primary teachers not only doing their lessons to 30 children but also all their parents as well! It is not sustainable in the long term - children in year 1 have regressed the most out of all the year groups, our year 13s will get qualifications that they’ve had no formal assessment on, even those taking btecs with modular exams - there is talk of no exams next year already! That will mean year 11s last year will have lost their GCSEs and their a level assessments - and will be expected to go on to university without skills! This is a crisis! Exam system has collapsed! Integrity of qualifications has gone!

don’t talk to me about teachers and how stressed they are! Guess what I am one! I know the stress every single day and I am still absolutely disgusted by the unions as are many of not all of my colleagues

I don’t often get angry on any forum but your replies to me make me angry - I’m not covid denier, my most wonderful friend died of it back last April, my sister works in an ICU ward in derby but the harm that your proposing by suggesting no opening up potentially for many more months is huge

(apologies to everyone else for this rant)

Your rant, as you put it, has made me feel the need to respond.
I will address the points that you have made 1 by 1.

1. It is easy to put the wrong proposition when typing or talking, so I wasn’t meaning to jump down your throat, though it may have appeared that I was but simply pointing out that the difference between ‘for’ and ‘from in the context of your posting is essential. As I said in the post you are not speaking for me or for the entirety of the U.K., you are however speaking from the U.K..

2. As for wearing masks every time I leave the house, which I admit is infrequently, I genuinely do. This is advised by every medical expert I have heard to help everyone- including you. I don’t anticipate wearing them for ever but at the moment they are recommended strongly and insisted on in some places. I will continue to wear them as long as the recommendations remain in place. Why do you think Disney has mandated them?

3. I am genuinely sorry if wearing a mask, of any kind, causes you to suffer bacterial infections, that would most certainly impact on my enthusiasm for wearing masks. It is possible to get an exemption from wearing a mask for medical reasons and to my non medical mind it would seem that you may qualify for one. I have absolutely no problem with people who can’t wear masks for legitimate medical reasons. My argument is with individuals who would have no problem with wearing masks but choose not to.

4. I do believe that restrictions should remain in place until we can be certain that the virus will not regain its grip on our society. If that is months away then unfortunately, so be it. Not what I want, but if that is what prevents thousands of deaths per day, which is what we were seeing last month, then I’ll accept it. The government has repeatedly said that this must be the final lockdown so it is imperative that we are as certain as we can be that it is wise and safe to lift restrictions. I do not believe that we will be able to eradicate the virus, nor that we will achieve zero deaths from COVID-19 but we should aim to make it as small a number as possible.

5. You say that our country is dying on its feet. Maybe we are seeing the country from different perspectives, because that is not my viewpoint. My elder son lost his job when furlough finished in August but got a new job within ten days. I feel desperately sorry for businesses who can’t open, for the travel industry and those working in hospitality, amongst many others but the furlough scheme, business rate assistance and the agreed, rather pathetic increase in Universal Credit amongst other support have helped. The predictions from the financial experts for our economy rebounding remain positive and I know they have greater knowledge and experience than I do and with respect probably more than you do either.

6. We agree!! You say that you have read my posts and that I continuously state that things should remain closed until there is no risk. I don’t think that will be possible but I believe that the risk should be as low as possible. Yes 15,000,000 million people have received vaccinations but that means that approximately 50,000,000, including me, are still waiting. Just hold on a little longer till the majority, rather than the minority are vaccinated and then reassess. We both believe opening everything at once would be wrong, .

7. As for schools, I acknowledge and agree (again!) with all the negative consequences you mentioned for children who are not benefiting from in school learning and socialising. I taught in one of the poorest socio-economic areas in the U.K. so am acutely aware of the “computer “ inequalities.
I am somewhat reassured that children are resilient and once all pupils return to school permanently, rapid progress will be made. I base this on pupils I’ve taught, who were off school for a year or more due to cancer and other long term illnesses. Within about six months they were working at their expected levels. What I think we need to avoid at all costs is the possibility of schools having to close again. The uncertainty is a large part of the stress. This is why I advocate waiting a little longer to open them.

8. You are a teacher, which KS? I am interested that you say Y1 have regressed more than any other year group and would be very interested in seeing any reports or studies on that. This is honestly out of interest and not because I doubt you.

9. I had no intention of angering you by my response but felt I had to reply as many of my opinions are diametrically opposite to yours! That doesn’t make me right or you wrong any more than it makes you right or me wrong.
It just means we both care. At the heart of things we seem to both want the same thing:- a safe return to normal as soon as possible. We just disagree a bit on the timeline.

10. Finally, which I’m sure will be a relief to anyone who’s ploughed through this epic post, my sincere sympathy for the loss of your dear friend.
Also thanks to your sister for her work in the ICU department at Derby hospital, that must be unbelievably stressful and difficult.
Take care, stay safe.

Edit: My apologies for mentioning mask exemption, I hadn’t seen how much grief you’d been given whilst I was typing.

 

[BrianLo]

The number one issue for masks and pretty much the issue is anxiety. That is not to down play it, it's definitely real and matters.

Of course non-anxiety discomfort can usually be overcome with better fits for most individuals. Most people easily build up tolerance over time. Plus a few special circumstances that it can quite significantly impact, such as the deaf community.

The Canadian Thoracic Society pretty strongly came out that there is really no pathology that supports mask exemptions. I know there are way too many adults seeking mask exemptions from my family medicine friends, whom ultimately aren't given one and directed to the evidence.

A few exceptions in the childhood realm for the very young or sensory issues (autism). Which kind of gets to the point that if someone can cognitively seek a mask exemption, they don't need one. Honestly, kids are far more malleable and accepting of masking than some of their parents can be.

If we would all start labeling the concerns for what it is - anxiety - I think it would ultimately help some of those who are really struggling (but compliant) actually talk about it. As a society we too easily shove mental health aside as a not real thing, so people are forced to turn to somatic complaints to justify their feelings without the societal framework to accept and support them.

 

[Polkadotdress]

thank you for your reasonable response - I do wear a clear one each time but I do suffer a lot from throat issues anyway so there is a weakness there - just exacerbated possibly by multiple factors I guess. Just to reiterate - I’m not exempt so don’t try and use that and wear one wherever I go thst j have to - but the thought of having to wear them indefinitely really does affect my mood

I struggle with extremely dry nasal passages due to all-day mask wearing. And then, eventually my left nostril always gets dry and cracked, and bleeds. And then it will heal, after about 10 days...only to start the process again. It's frustrating but just part of the journey.