Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[MisterPenguin]

It's not showing the same efficacy and the Pfizer or Moderna for the prevention of Covid-19 infection, but its ability to keep people from experiencing the serious illness that results in hospitalization in a single dose is its key selling point. You might get sick, but not as severe as without anything. That's what protects society, not losing large numbers of people across various industries.

Indeed.

JnJ's record for preventing hospitalization and death is 87%, which is getting near what the current two do.

Also, the current two were not tested in regions where the new variant strains were actively propagating through the population. It's possible that if they were, they might not have done any better than JnJ.

Also, also... the one shot JnJ seems to become more effective over time as your body continues to ramp up anti-bodies. People catching the virus before that full ramp up may have made JnJ's vaccine look less effective. The lesson here is that if you get the JnJ shot, don't drop your hygiene protocols for a full month afterwards.

 

[GoofGoof]

I really thought we were done with the flu comparisons.. heart disease..” magical masks”.. now we are venturing into the speed limits.. seat belts.. etc. Unreal.
It’s so 6-7 months ago.

Just go back 1,000 pages and read the same tired arguments. What I’m curious to see is when the pandemic eventually ends and life goes back to normal will the same people continue the same arguments complaining that their lives were severely impacted unnecessarily? I kinda feel we are in for years of this to come

Better question is how many people will give a rat’s behind about low income workers and mental illness? Now it’s a huge talking point to rail on about the economy and lost jobs and about the lives lost to suicide, but will we continue to care about those things? Will we mandate a living wage and more benefits for those same workers we are all so worried about? On the mental health side, it’s really expensive to get people the help they need. Will we all support the government footing the bill to ensure people get the help they need? I can tell you for certain that was never the case before Covid. Maybe now that people’s eyes are so opened it will change. My guess is the same people railing about those things will go back to bars and restaurants and WDW and concerts and sporting events and never give another thought to those things.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Just go back 1,000 pages and read the same tired arguments. What I’m curious to see is when the pandemic eventually ends and life goes back to normal will the same people continue the same arguments complaining that their lives were severely impacted unnecessarily? I kinda feel we are in for years of this to come

Better question is how many people will give a rat’s behind about low income workers and mental illness? Now it’s a huge talking point to rail on about the economy and lost jobs and about the lives lost to suicide, but will we continue to care about those things? Will we mandate a living wage and more benefits for those same workers we are all so worried about? On the mental health side, it’s really expensive to get people the help they need. Will we all support the government footing the bill to ensure people get the help they need? I can tell you for certain that was never the case before Covid. Maybe now that people’s eyes are so opened it will change. My guess is the same people railing about those things will go back to bars and restaurants and WDW and concerts and sporting events and never give another thought to those things.

Well said and agree 100%.

 

[Lilofan]

Just go back 1,000 pages and read the same tired arguments. What I’m curious to see is when the pandemic eventually ends and life goes back to normal will the same people continue the same arguments complaining that their lives were severely impacted unnecessarily? I kinda feel we are in for years of this to come

Better question is how many people will give a rat’s behind about low income workers and mental illness? Now it’s a huge talking point to rail on about the economy and lost jobs and about the lives lost to suicide, but will we continue to care about those things? Will we mandate a living wage and more benefits for those same workers we are all so worried about? On the mental health side, it’s really expensive to get people the help they need. Will we all support the government footing the bill to ensure people get the help they need? I can tell you for certain that was never the case before Covid. Maybe now that people’s eyes are so opened it will change. My guess is the same people railing about those things will go back to bars and restaurants and WDW and concerts and sporting events and never give another thought to those things.

An SJ Bartel study discovered that there was an increase of percentage of people smoking marijuana due to loneliness and self isolation. I would think the "essential" business of liquor stores have an uptick in business too. Abuse of both substances will not do wonders to your body.

 

[correcaminos]

Does hear disease irk the crap out of you?
It kills double the people covid does, and unlike covid which probably won't be around in its state for more than 2 or so years, heart disease kills all those people year after year, decade after decade.

Seriously you are being beyond rude. Two friends of mine died last night of covid. I don't have time for your insensitive and weird agenda filled posts. Nothing you have posted here shows me you actually give a flip except to promote your twisted agenda.

 

[GoofGoof]

An SJ Bartel study discovered that there was an increase of percentage of people smoking marijuana due to loneliness and self isolation. I would think the "essential" business of liquor stores have an uptick in business too. Abuse of both substances will not do wonders to your body.

Bars are closed a lot of places and even where they are open lots of people are choosing not to get together indoor with strangers and no masks. Liquor store sales may be up, but I’d be curious to see what the overall alcohol sales number is. Does the increase in takeout alcohol completely make up for the loss of sales in bars and restaurants? I think overall that may be the case, but alcohol businesses always do well when theres a recession or civil unrest or war. When the economy tanks invest in booze and guns was always the rule of thumb.

Pot is becoming legal more places each year. I would be surprised if the number of people using it was declining. Not sure how much is related to the pandemic though.

 

[Disney Experience]

Two friends of mine died last night of covid.

My sympathy for your loss.

 

[danlb_2000]

That's one law, out of all of the other regulations.
Seatbelts by the way really work.
Non n95 masks stop virus's like chain link fences stop mosquito's.

If you are going to say things like that, then anything you have to say on the virus is invalid.

 

[seabreezept813]

Indeed.

JnJ's record for preventing hospitalization and death is 87%, which is getting near what the current two do.

Also, the current two were not tested in regions where the new variant strains were actively propagating through the population. It's possible that if they were, they might not have done any better than JnJ.

Also, also... the one shot JnJ seems to become more effective over time as your body continues to ramp up anti-bodies. People catching the virus before that full ramp up may have made JnJ's vaccine look less effective. The lesson here is that if you get the JnJ shot, don't drop your hygiene protocols for a full month afterwards.

Also the big worry seems to be the South African strain. If we vaccinate enough people maybe we can avoid dealing with that strain in general.

 

[DisneyCane]

Just go back 1,000 pages and read the same tired arguments. What I’m curious to see is when the pandemic eventually ends and life goes back to normal will the same people continue the same arguments complaining that their lives were severely impacted unnecessarily? I kinda feel we are in for years of this to come

Better question is how many people will give a rat’s behind about low income workers and mental illness? Now it’s a huge talking point to rail on about the economy and lost jobs and about the lives lost to suicide, but will we continue to care about those things? Will we mandate a living wage and more benefits for those same workers we are all so worried about? On the mental health side, it’s really expensive to get people the help they need. Will we all support the government footing the bill to ensure people get the help they need? I can tell you for certain that was never the case before Covid. Maybe now that people’s eyes are so opened it will change. My guess is the same people railing about those things will go back to bars and restaurants and WDW and concerts and sporting events and never give another thought to those things.

As far as the living wage thing goes and care about low income workers, I think the answer is yes. This past election, us backwards Floridians passed a constitutional amendment to make the minimum wage $15 per hour. It phases in over a few years. Our amendments require 60% of the voters for approval and this amendment was above that threshold even while the State voted for Trump in a higher margin than 2016 as well as flipped a few congressional seats from Democrat to Republican.

Mental illness I'm not as confident about. Unfortunately, from seeing several of my wife's family members suffer greatly from it, I'm not sure spending a bunch of money will really help. At least in her family, three of her siblings ended up dying very young and the cause in all three cases could be traced to severe mental illness. Her dad tried many things and spared no expense to help all of them and nothing worked.

 

[GoofGoof]

As far as the living wage thing goes and care about low income workers, I think the answer is yes. This past election, us backwards Floridians passed a constitutional amendment to make the minimum wage $15 per hour. It phases in over a few years. Our amendments require 60% of the voters for approval and this amendment was above that threshold even while the State voted for Trump in a higher margin than 2016 as well as flipped a few congressional seats from Democrat to Republican.

Mental illness I'm not as confident about. Unfortunately, from seeing several of my wife's family members suffer greatly from it, I'm not sure spending a bunch of money will really help. At least in her family, three of her siblings ended up dying very young and the cause in all three cases could be traced to severe mental illness. Her dad tried many things and spared no expense to help all of them and nothing worked.

I agree with you (a more common phrase these days ). I do think there has been a National awakening and a better appreciation for the workers who keep our lives going. It’s easy to take stuff for granted but when that stuff is taken away or limited you really begin to appreciate what you have. I hope that continues. I know there’s a trickle down effect on the price of goods but I’m willing to pay a little more to ensure the workers are treated right. Maybe the silver lining of this whole pandemic...that and more regular hand washing

On the mental health side it’s really hard. My wife worked at a mental hospital dealing with kids with some real problems. It was so difficult to get them the help they needed. Insurance was impossible to deal with. A kid basically had to attempt suicide before being fully admitted and you just had to hope they did a bad job of it and lived to get the help they needed. There were times when kids who were already in the out patient program for making suicidal threats finished the job before they could get the insurance company to approve any real treatment. Nobody wants to pay more for insurance and the insurance companies see mental health as an unnecessary expense so attempt to limit it as much as possible. They would never deny a cancer patient chemo but they routinely deny a mentally ill patient real care. I don’t know what the answer to that is. Maybe a universal mental health insurance program that keeps regular insurance premiums lower but it would have to be paid for by the government.

 

[correcaminos]

My sympathy for your loss.

Thank you. It was a lovely married couple I have known for decades. Even though we are in different parts of the county (dead opposite really) the husband helped us purchase the house we are in. His wife was a nurse and cared for many of our friends when hospitalized or born. So really posts like I quoted just anger me more today. I'm so over everyone being so flippant.

Quit complaining about masks, stop being contrary and pull unrelated whataboutisms, get your damn vaccine and care for those around you. I'd rather not lose any more loved one, so when people are hell bent on being jerks about the pandemic my level of care is like zero. Same with anti-vaxxers even for just this shot. Shut up and do it (unless you have a real reason not to that doctors, not you, have advised you to not vaccinate or wait) generic you of course

 

[willtravel]

Double masking for COVID-19: Fauci now recommends wearing two masks at once (msn.com)

 

[Heppenheimer]

I agree with you (a more common phrase these days ). I do think there has been a National awakening and a better appreciation for the workers who keep our lives going. It’s easy to take stuff for granted but when that stuff is taken away or limited you really begin to appreciate what you have. I hope that continues. I know there’s a trickle down effect on the price of goods but I’m willing to pay a little more to ensure the workers are treated right. Maybe the silver lining of this whole pandemic...that and more regular hand washing

On the mental health side it’s really hard. My wife worked at a mental hospital dealing with kids with some real problems. It was so difficult to get them the help they needed. Insurance was impossible to deal with. A kid basically had to attempt suicide before being fully admitted and you just had to hope they did a bad job of it and lived to get the help they needed. There were times when kids who were already in the out patient program for making suicidal threats finished the job before they could get the insurance company to approve any real treatment. Nobody wants to pay more for insurance and the insurance companies see mental health as an unnecessary expense so attempt to limit it as much as possible. They would never deny a cancer patient chemo but they routinely deny a mentally ill patient real care. I don’t know what the answer to that is. Maybe a universal mental health insurance program that keeps regular insurance premiums lower but it would have to be paid for by the government.

About mental health... it will always be in short supply, no matter how much money you throw at it, because quite simply, it is a miserable job with an extremely high turn-over. I love most of my job in family practice, but the mental health aspect is a real challenge. The human resources to handle the need simply aren't there, even in relatively affluent communities, much less getting insurance to pay for it (medicaid and medicare are especially bad in this regard).

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I have to admit...this was the first thought that crossed my mind when I heard the data. But upon further review - the J&J vax is fine.

I’ll take anything...but I think this will be “second class” to many based on the coverage. I tend to dig deeper on most things and that’s not what most will do.

“Classes” of vaccines is not a good concept. They all need to have basically the same efficacy/side effects to increase the Public trust. It is what it is.

And that's where the problem will be. There are people already labeling it as "the poors vaccine." Again, its a perfectly fine vaccine, but the big sensationalized debate will be "why give these people the less effective one." Thats why I said it will be interesting to see where this leads.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Double masking for COVID-19: Fauci now recommends wearing two masks at once (msn.com)

saw everyone doing it at the inauguration and said..."hey...wait a minute..." and I've been doing it ever since.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Does hear disease irk the crap out of you?
It kills double the people covid does, and unlike covid which probably won't be around in its state for more than 2 or so years, heart disease kills all those people year after year, decade after decade.

THAT. IS. NOT. CONTAGIOUS.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Seriously you are being beyond rude. Two friends of mine died last night of covid. I don't have time for your insensitive and weird agenda filled posts. Nothing you have posted here shows me you actually give a flip except to promote your twisted agenda.

prayers.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Sadly, We will NEVER be done with the flu comparisons. In fact, when this is all over you will have a group of people saying "see, it wasn't that bad..."

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And that's where the problem will be. There are people already labeling it as "the poors vaccine." Again, its a perfectly fine vaccine, but the big sensationalized debate will be "why give these people the less effective one." Thats why I said it will be interesting to see where this leads.

Yeah...i think it will get the “stay at home/can’t afford to do anything” label.