Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[networkpro]

Because the eu has said they will stop exports of Pfizer to countries outside the eu including America Canada and Australia

Pfizer has plenty of plants producing Covid-19 vaccine in countries outside of the EU. An article from December shows only 1 out of the 4 locations at that time producing the vaccine is in the EU.

A Pfizer manufacturing site in Andover will be among locations to produce the vaccine, along with sites in Saint Louis, Missouri, Kalamazoo, Michigan, Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin, and Puurs, Belgium, according to a statement from Pfizer.

https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2020/12/14/pfizer-covid-vaccine-to-be-produced-at-massachuset.html

 

[Yodascousin]

Pfizer has plenty of plants producing Covid-19 vaccine in countries outside of the EU. An article from December shows only 1 out of the 4 locations at that time producing the vaccine is in the EU.

A Pfizer manufacturing site in Andover will be among locations to produce the vaccine, along with sites in Saint Louis, Missouri, Kalamazoo, Michigan, Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin, and Puurs, Belgium, according to a statement from Pfizer.

https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2020/12/14/pfizer-covid-vaccine-to-be-produced-at-massachuset.html

Thanks for the info I’m glad their decision won’t affect progress in America just wondered who else their decision will affect as I know Australia are pretty peeved at the judgement.
Also wanted the opinion of people looking in on the outside as at the moment things are getting rather heated and many people here who have had their first jab are worried about not receiving their second

 

[danlb_2000]

You do understand that a mask is to keep to you from transmitting the virus if you are unaware you have it. I am quite sure Gov Desantis is tested on a daily (if not more) basis. He should be pretty sure if he is positive or negative. Do I feel he should wear one? Yes I do, but it is his choice. He is not putting anyone in danger and also not telling anyone not to wear a mask. Everyone jumps on Florida but everywhere I go here people are wearing masks. Southern Georgia was a whole different story. We actually saw businesses with signs that if you feel a need to wear a mask go somewhere else. I am not a Florida expert but we have spent a lot of time in Orange, Osceola, and Seminole the last few weeks. We are going to Polk tomorrow. Any guess what we will find there?

Masks are primarily about protecting others, but it has been found that masks also do provide at least some protection to the wearer. The big issue it that an elected official, especially someone as high ranking as a state governor should be setting a good example by always wearing a mask. He is most definitly putting people in danger by showing others that it's ok not to wear a mask.

 

[Touchdown]

To all of you who are down on the J&J vaccine, I urge you to check out this YouTube video from ZdoggMD. He is a Hospitalist who is a minor YouTube celebrity (you might have seen his medical rap videos or Doc Vader sketches) who is very up to date with vaccines and has a lot of contacts with researchers. He goes into detail about why most of the medical profession is celebrating this vaccine.

Here’s the link to his latest podcast

 

[Yodascousin]

If only you guys in the UK were some sort of political an economic union with those European countries.

*sigh* I wanted to avoid the brexit argument which is why I asked here but since you brought it up the UK is vastly ahead in our vaccination progress because of brexit. if we were still in the union We would be in the same crappy place they are with a vaccine shortfall and scrambling around trying to get them, their rule not only affects the uk but Australia as well would your reply be the same to an Australian?

 

[networkpro]

To all of you who are down on the J&J vaccine, I urge you to check out this YouTube video from ZdoggMD. He is a Hospitalist who is a minor YouTube celebrity (you might have seen his medical rap videos or Doc Vader sketches) who is very up to date with vaccines and has a lot of contacts with researchers. He goes into detail about why most of the medical profession is celebrating this vaccine.

Here’s the link to his latest podcast

It's not showing the same efficacy and the Pfizer or Moderna for the prevention of Covid-19 infection, but its ability to keep people from experiencing the serious illness that results in hospitalization in a single dose is its key selling point. You might get sick, but not as severe as without anything. That's what protects society, not losing large numbers of people across various industries.

 

[_caleb]

*sigh* I wanted to avoid the brexit argument which is why I asked here but since you brought it up the UK is vastly ahead in our vaccination progress because of brexit. if we were still in the union We would be in the same crappy place they are with a vaccine shortfall and scrambling around trying to get them, their rule not only affects the uk but Australia as well would your reply be the same to an Australian?

Nope. And sorry- I was just being sarcastic and did not mean to derail the conversation. I’ll delete my post.

 

[Kman]

You do understand that a mask is to keep to you from transmitting the virus if you are unaware you have it. I am quite sure Gov Desantis is tested on a daily (if not more) basis. He should be pretty sure if he is positive or negative. Do I feel he should wear one? Yes I do, but it is his choice. He is not putting anyone in danger and also not telling anyone not to wear a mask. Everyone jumps on Florida but everywhere I go here people are wearing masks. Southern Georgia was a whole different story. We actually saw businesses with signs that if you feel a need to wear a mask go somewhere else. I am not a Florida expert but we have spent a lot of time in Orange, Osceola, and Seminole the last few weeks. We are going to Polk tomorrow. Any guess what we will find there?

 

[Yodascousin]

Nope. And sorry- I was just being sarcastic and did not mean to derail the conversation. I’ll delete my post.

It’s fine my back is just a little bit up as I have had my first jab and this whole debacle has made me quite annoyed and anxious as I personally think what they are doing is wrong and could potentially put innocent lives at risk

 

[correcaminos]

There are still tens of thousands of flu deaths in this country from seasonal flu.
If masks as worn by the general public are effective in reducing the spread of virus's, why not impose them for seasonal flu use?
What's the acceptable death rate?
10 thousand and then masks?
20 thousand?
40 thousand?

This is an agenda only post that really is starting to irk the crap out of me. I would love to save everyone from dying a horrible death like two friends of mine just did last night - covid or otherwise. We have vaccines for the flu which an alarmingly high rate choose not to take it. We have ways to try to help but some people just ignore it. It would be nice if we could have better sick leave and such for our workers so they didn't feel like they had to come in and spread the flu. Same with schools. But no, we care more about the economy and working ourselves to death. If anything maybe this should show how far we can go to help others stay safe and healthy. Maybe we should wear masks more in public like other countries do. But I doubt most would be willing.

Well, I didn;t develop any superpowers.. dammit

Give it time

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So today I have seen a ton of "I will wait for the better one." It will be interesting to see how this situation develops.

If you have read the research, you know that this isn't a bad vaccine. But a huge chunk of the general population has not done the research, and I think this one will be hard to sell.

I have to admit...this was the first thought that crossed my mind when I heard the data. But upon further review - the J&J vax is fine.

I’ll take anything...but I think this will be “second class” to many based on the coverage. I tend to dig deeper on most things and that’s not what most will do.

“Classes” of vaccines is not a good concept. They all need to have basically the same efficacy/side effects to increase the Public trust. It is what it is.

You do understand that a mask is to keep to you from transmitting the virus if you are unaware you have it. I am quite sure Gov Desantis is tested on a daily (if not more) basis. He should be pretty sure if he is positive or negative. Do I feel he should wear one? Yes I do, but it is his choice. He is not putting anyone in danger and also not telling anyone not to wear a mask. Everyone jumps on Florida but everywhere I go here people are wearing masks. Southern Georgia was a whole different story. We actually saw businesses with signs that if you feel a need to wear a mask go somewhere else. I am not a Florida expert but we have spent a lot of time in Orange, Osceola, and Seminole the last few weeks. We are going to Polk tomorrow. Any guess what we will find there?

So more crazy in Hazzard County Georgia excuses the dude in Florida behaving like a clown for a year? Bluster to build “support” with the crowds that tend to like raw meat thrown to them?

Got it.

Polk County FL is a whole different mindset. Winter Haven and Lakeland just encourages one to wear a mask.

Bad stewardship from the top...I won’t give Florida the benefit of the doubt based on crossing party lines.

The Florida people make their bed on specific days each year...because they insist on trying to make it the 1980’s forever.

Masks are primarily about protecting others, but it has been found that masks also do provide at least some protection to the wearer. The big issue it that an elected official, especially someone as high ranking as a state governor should be setting a good example by always wearing a mask. He is most definitly putting people in danger by showing others that it's ok not to wear a mask.

There is really no question what “good” leadership and bad is at this point.

That being said...there have been massive, public struggles across the board. I feel like if we can get this tamped down...hopefully in a year or less...we will very quickly look back at this as a world defining event. “Wow...that was really the biggest deal ever since WW2...”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is an agenda only post that really is starting to irk the crap out of me. I would love to save everyone from dying a horrible death like two friends of mine just did last night - covid or otherwise. We have vaccines for the flu which an alarmingly high rate choose not to take it. We have ways to try to help but some people just ignore it. It would be nice if we could have better sick leave and such for our workers so they didn't feel like they had to come in and spread the flu. Same with schools. But no, we care more about the economy and working ourselves to death. If anything maybe this should show how far we can go to help others stay safe and healthy. Maybe we should wear masks more in public like other countries do. But I doubt most would be willing.


Give it time

You’re not the only one. The “hoaxers” from last spring have just mutated into the “hardcore downplayers”

It would be more productive for human evolution if they’d go golf with XDan and complain about their taxes Until this is over

 

[correcaminos]

You’re not the only one. The “hoaxers” from last spring have just mutated into the “hardcore downplayers”

It would be more productive for human evolution of they’d go golf with XDan and complain about their taxes Until this is over

I get that things have changed in the course. In Feb we were told not to worry much because of the way it was and the way it spread. No worse than the flu. Not SARS or MERS - though yes it is not the same level of deaths per infection but you know what I mean - and it will go away. But if you cannot pivot and shift with the rest of us and realize what this has become, I have no words that can change your mind likely (generic you). Honestly, deniers and hoax holders really are a safety risk to the well being of others. They just think they are saving the country from who knows what. Maybe if our government cared about its citizens financial ruin wouldn't be a worry but what do I know. Socialism sucks and all.

Yeah I'm really grumpy today but I won't apologize. I'm tired of apologizing for anger caused by grief.

 

[Incomudro]

We all have to remember, in the history of viruses, none of them have mutated to become more deadly. A virus wants to live and replicate. In order to do that, it will become easier to spread, but not more deadly.
The reason SARS was easier to eradicate was because it was so deadly. The deadlier it is, the easier to trace and contain.

My point being, let us not all freak out over variants. In time, they will be taken care of with boosters, perhaps every year.

Yes, killing the host isn't good for virus's.
Killing the host quickly is even worse - both things aren't good for the virus's ability to replicate and spread host to host.

 

[Incomudro]

This is an agenda only post that really is starting to irk the crap out of me. I would love to save everyone from dying a horrible death like two friends of mine just did last night - covid or otherwise. We have vaccines for the flu which an alarmingly high rate choose not to take it. We have ways to try to help but some people just ignore it. It would be nice if we could have better sick leave and such for our workers so they didn't feel like they had to come in and spread the flu. Same with schools. But no, we care more about the economy and working ourselves to death. If anything maybe this should show how far we can go to help others stay safe and healthy. Maybe we should wear masks more in public like other countries do. But I doubt most would be willing.


Give it time

Does hear disease irk the crap out of you?
It kills double the people covid does, and unlike covid which probably won't be around in its state for more than 2 or so years, heart disease kills all those people year after year, decade after decade.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I get that things have changed in the course. In Feb we were told not to worry much because of the way it was and the way it spread. No worse than the flu. Not SARS or MERS - though yes it is not the same level of deaths per infection but you know what I mean - and it will go away. But if you cannot pivot and shift with the rest of us and realize what this has become, I have no words that can change your mind likely (generic you). Honestly, deniers and hoax holders really are a safety risk to the well being of others. They just think they are saving the country from who knows what. Maybe if our government cared about its citizens financial ruin wouldn't be a worry but what do I know. Socialism sucks and all.

Yeah I'm really grumpy today but I won't apologize. I'm tired of apologizing for anger caused by grief.

It’s really just a manifestation of hard political realities in our country:

1. Supporting people who don’t support your self interests
2. Claiming to “defend” people or communities by fiercely (often violently) acting to actively destroy them.

People with the “ma freedom” about money and their own pride have railed for over a year to literally surrender to biology and let it run rampant and destroy the economy and society in the process.

All the precautions were not really designed to keep grandma alive in the nursing home....it was to try and keep the global economy for collapsing. Stabilize it...a form of medically induced coma.

It’s just hard to explain this to those that focus on other details or “issues” that don’t apply.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes, killing the host isn't good for virus's.
Killing the host quickly is even worse - both things aren't good for the virus's ability to replicate and spread host to host.

Virus’s don’t “think”...they just “do”

This isn’t an episode of Star Trek, Spock.

Does hear disease irk the crap out of you?
It kills double the people covid does, and unlike covid which probably won't be around in its state for more than 2 or so years, heart disease kills all those people year after year, decade after decade.

You really are wasting your time if this is what you still feel compelled to type. Watching paint dry would have more intrinsic value at this juncture.

 

[Incomudro]

”No, officer, I wasn’t wearing my seatbelt. But don’t worry- the seatbelt laws were imposed on and required on the object of the vehicle itself.”

That's one law, out of all of the other regulations.
Seatbelts by the way really work.
Non n95 masks stop virus's like chain link fences stop mosquito's.

 

[Touchdown]

That's one law, out of all of the other regulations.
Seatbelts by the way really work.
Non n95 masks stop virus's like chain link fences stop mosquito's.

That is simply not true, non N95 masks have been shown over and over again to reduce spread (especially if both parties are wearing one) and if you still get unlucky to get the disease lessen your disease severity.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

That's one law, out of all of the other regulations.
Seatbelts by the way really work.
Non n95 masks stop virus's like chain link fences stop mosquito's.

I really thought we were done with the flu comparisons.. heart disease..” magical masks”.. now we are venturing into the speed limits.. seat belts.. etc. Unreal.
It’s so 6-7 months ago.