Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Kevin_W]

1.4M doses again today...3 days in a row over 1.3M. It should be interesting to see if they can keep that total over 1M on the weekends now. 100M doses in 100 days seems like it should happen.

Spoiler: they won't! Unfortunate. Maybe as more shots shift to groceries that are used to bein open 7 days a week.

 

[Kevin_W]

I don’t disagree on the double standard with schools. I don’t understand how they are running buses. Seems impossible to be safe even if the kids wear masks.

I'm sure it depends where you are. In our district, ~1/3 of kids are in full-remote. So you take the remaing 2/3 and divide that in 2 and there aren't a ton of kids on busses. My daughters bus has 5 kids on it. (And they wear masks, and it's 7-8 minute ride so les than "close contact".)

 

[GoofGoof]

Spoiler: they won't! Unfortunate. Maybe as more shots shift to groceries that are used to bein open 7 days a week.

We will see. Last weekend they average close to 700K shots a day on Sat and Sun. Still a ways to go to get to 1M but not impossible. With the weekdays averaging 1.3M doses this week they would only need 500K for Sat and Sun combined for the 7 day daily average to reach 1M.

I'm sure it depends where you are. In our district, ~1/3 of kids are in full-remote. So you take the remaing 2/3 and divide that in 2 and there aren't a ton of kids on busses. My daughters bus has 5 kids on it. (And they wear masks, and it's 7-8 minute ride so les than "close contact".)

It‘s probably different everywhere. Unless you are one of the last kids picked up around here you are on the bus for at least 15 mins and they are still relatively crowded. They also don’t have any adults other than the driver so no real hope of keeping the kids masked or distanced all the time.

 

[GoofGoof]

There's one small catch to the homestead protection. It only applies to up to 1/2 acre of property. If someone has more, it is possible to force a sale and take a pro-rated amount from them for the value of the additional acreage.

If you are married, FL also has a lot of protection for jointly owned assets (when owned as tenants by the entireties). It is very difficult to break that protection.

An oceanfront penthouse condo is going to be less than 1/2 acre. You can also buy some land in an unincorporated town and build a mansion, then the 1/2 acre rule doesn‘t apply. Marriage helps too.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Signs that Biden knows his goal is too low. Seems he's open to going higher

The 100M jabs in 100 days was made back when there was just one vaccine and states were using less the 30% of stock. Back then, it was ambitious.

But now that states have staggered into ramping up their jabbing, then that goal becomes moot. If states are using almost all their stock, then it will be nigh near impossible not to go well beyond that goal.

It would have been better to have a goal of every state constantly using 90% of their stock on hand as they get new shipments.

 

[JoeCamel]

There's one small catch to the homestead protection. It only applies to up to 1/2 acre of property. If someone has more, it is possible to force a sale and take a pro-rated amount from them for the value of the additional acreage.

If you are married, FL also has a lot of protection for jointly owned assets (when owned as tenants by the entireties). It is very difficult to break that protection.

Just a clarification. The 1/2 acre limit only applies to property within a municipality. Outside of that it is up to 160 contiguous acres

 

[Lilofan]

Technically, the vaccines are paid for with federal tax dollars, so the only residency requirement should be that you live in the US. Anecdotally, I don't know anyone who is trying to stop snowbirds from getting a vaccine. It is the people flying in from other countries that are causing the complaints.

The people flying into South Florida for example are perhaps getting a bad reputation. That is why the media is marketing it as vaccine tourism. Are people flying in to get the shot, probably, but a number of international tourists fly into FL to stay in their winter condos and homes that they rent or own and also get the shot. Stopping snowbirds is foolish for FL since the state need their spending power to fuel FL tourism and their tax dollars.

 

[correcaminos]

We will see. Last weekend they average close to 700K shots a day on Sat and Sun. Still a ways to go to get to 1M but not impossible. With the weekdays averaging 1.3M doses this week they would only need 500K for Sat and Sun combined for the 7 day daily average to reach 1M.


It‘s probably different everywhere. Unless you are one of the last kids picked up around here you are on the bus for at least 15 mins and they are still relatively crowded. They also don’t have any adults other than the driver so no real hope of keeping the kids masked or distanced all the time.

Definitely dependent on where you live. Ours does assigned seating. Only families share a row. Load and unload so that first on goes to the back and last on to the front etc. I'm told grade school has an aid. We have less than half the school at the same time only 2 days a week. So it's easier. Buses here were never packed and routes never long.

No cafeteria use either. So far no traced spread in schools.

 

[Think Tink]

Definitely dependent on where you live. Ours does assigned seating. Only families share a row. Load and unload so that first on goes to the back and last on to the front etc. I'm told grade school has an aid. We have less than half the school at the same time only 2 days a week. So it's easier. Buses here were never packed and routes never long.

No cafeteria use either. So far no traced spread in schools.

My moms route was so packed in some elementary routes there were 3 kids to a seat. Some schools are handling it much better. Unfortunately where I am, it’s been a mess. Luckily as time went on more kids switched to online or had parents drive so eventually the 3 per seat went away.

 

[correcaminos]

My moms route was so packed in some elementary routes there were 3 kids to a seat. Some schools are handling it much better. Unfortunately where I am, it’s been a mess. Luckily as time went on more kids switched to online or had parents drive so eventually the 3 per seat went away.

I get it is so hard for some. Our district has about 6k students total and our city is only 4 or 5 miles north to south a couple east to west. So less bus anyway since all schools are within 2 miles of the home. For my kid 1.3 was the furthest distance. We bused because it was available. My kid gets driven in on mornings but buses home now though. The holding area of students riding the bus would be quite boring compared to normal and it would be a 30-40 min wait (each bus does 2 routes and middle school gets picked up early so they wait in school)

Back in the country where I lived was a whole other ball game. Though our schools really do not do 3 to a seat much except for short field trip for K-2. Older kids they cannot no matter what.

 

[Disney Experience]

Welcome to the club. Feels good to know you aren't crazy, right?

Definitely.

 

[GoofGoof]

Definitely dependent on where you live. Ours does assigned seating. Only families share a row. Load and unload so that first on goes to the back and last on to the front etc. I'm told grade school has an aid. We have less than half the school at the same time only 2 days a week. So it's easier. Buses here were never packed and routes never long.

No cafeteria use either. So far no traced spread in schools.

Our bus in normal times is 3 kids to a seat at the elementary level so unless they went down to 1/3 capacity we wouldn’t have 1 kid per seat and no aids to enforce distancing anyway. I suppose if they have 1/3 the kids the ride would be shorter, but to drive straight from my house to the school is 5-10 mins depending on traffic (which is still lighter than normal) so unless he was the last kid picked up and they went straight to the school he would likely be on the bus more than 15 mins. The other problem is they aren’t doing any type of tracing for the buses so if a kid tests positive they make kids who sit near them in class quarantine but they do nothing for the kids sitting around them on the bus.

They keep saying no traced spread from the schools by me too, but recently I’ve become very skeptical of that. I have good friends who both tested positive and so did their 2 kids. The department of health never called them or asked them any questions about contact and the school never did either. Nobody in their class or on the bus was asked to quarantine even though the father had symptoms starting on a Sunday and tested positive on Tuesday night and the kids were in school Mon and Tue before being pulled out on Wed due to dad testing positive. They then tested positive too. In my mind any kids they had close contact with should have been informed and also tested or asked to quarantine. None of that happened. It’s easy to have no traced spread if you don’t trace. It was really disappointing to hear about considering we are all trusting the schools to do the right thing. I worry that the desire to keep schools open at all costs is resulting in a less than sincere effort to determine if spread is happening. It makes me feel a little bit better that these kids aren’t in my district, but how do I know my district is doing any better?

 

[GoofGoof]

My moms route was so packed in some elementary routes there were 3 kids to a seat. Some schools are handling it much better. Unfortunately where I am, it’s been a mess. Luckily as time went on more kids switched to online or had parents drive so eventually the 3 per seat went away.

We started driving my kids from the start because the bus just seems like such an obvious bad idea. Unfortunately some people can’t do it due to work commitments and especially at the older levels on the way home their kids get off the bus and are home a few hours alone before the parents get home from work. From what I understand from the people who are using the bus it’s not 3 kids to a seat anymore but there are some kids sharing a seat still and in some cases even if there’s empty seats kids want to sit with their friends so they do it anyway.

 

[GoofGoof]

The 100M jabs in 100 days was made back when there was just one vaccine and states were using less the 30% of stock. Back then, it was ambitious.

But now that states have staggered into ramping up their jabbing, then that goal becomes moot. If states are using almost all their stock, then it will be nigh near impossible not to go well beyond that goal.

It would have been better to have a goal of every state constantly using 90% of their stock on hand as they get new shipments.

I think he’s reluctant to put the goal on the states directly since the federal government can’t control the percent used as well. I’m not a fan of punishing states who are t doing as well. I’d rather see them open FEMA controlled vaccination sites in states that are falling behind on their own. Biden also authorized the Federal government to reimburse the costs to any state that calls up their national guard to help with vaccine deployment. Better to help the states by pushing them to do better than take a punitive approach of sending less doses to states that fall behind.

My gut feeling is that if JnJ comes online and starts delivering doses by end of Feb that at some point around then the goal will increase to something more ambitious. Keeping the goal low isn’t an issue to me now. It’s kinda meaningless if we hit 100M doses in March and you don’t change it.

 

[seabreezept813]

Our bus in normal times is 3 kids to a seat at the elementary level so unless they went down to 1/3 capacity we wouldn’t have 1 kid per seat and no aids to enforce distancing anyway. I suppose if they have 1/3 the kids the ride would be shorter, but to drive straight from my house to the school is 5-10 mins depending on traffic (which is still lighter than normal) so unless he was the last kid picked up and they went straight to the school he would likely be on the bus more than 15 mins. The other problem is they aren’t doing any type of tracing for the buses so if a kid tests positive they make kids who sit near them in class quarantine but they do nothing for the kids sitting around them on the bus.

They keep saying no traced spread from the schools by me too, but recently I’ve become very skeptical of that. I have good friends who both tested positive and so did their 2 kids. The department of health never called them or asked them any questions about contact and the school never did either. Nobody in their class or on the bus was asked to quarantine even though the father had symptoms starting on a Sunday and tested positive on Tuesday night and the kids were in school Mon and Tue before being pulled out on Wed due to dad testing positive. They then tested positive too. In my mind any kids they had close contact with should have been informed and also tested or asked to quarantine. None of that happened. It’s easy to have no traced spread if you don’t trace. It was really disappointing to hear about considering we are all trusting the schools to do the right thing. I worry that the desire to keep schools open at all costs is resulting in a less than sincere effort to determine if spread is happening. It makes me feel a little bit better that these kids aren’t in my district, but how do I know my district is doing any better?

100% agree about the tracing to suit their needs. I have a class that’s now down to 2 kids who aren’t quarantined. And we don’t do quarantining of kids sitting near each other in class or whole classes. So they all magically got exposed at the same time by people outside of school... sounds quite shady to me. If schools wanted to ensure trust they’d do testing like colleges or even sewer tests to get a real gage of how much virus is in the building.

 

[GoofGoof]

100% agree about the tracing to suit their needs. I have a class that’s now down to 2 kids who aren’t quarantined. And we don’t do quarantining of kids sitting near each other in class or whole classes. So they all magically got exposed at the same time by people outside of school... sounds quite shady to me. If schools wanted to ensure trust they’d do testing like colleges or even sewer tests to get a real gage of how much virus is in the building.

2 school districts in my county are ramping up the mass testing as a trial to see if it will work for the whole county. I believe the plan is to use the quick tests on all students and staff once a week. It’s not my kid’s schools, but I do think that’s the way to go. Most spread at the schools was being blamed on after school activities and private get togethers at the high school level but since there’s so much asymptomatic spread in kids who really knows. I know multiple people who are working from home and don’t do much of anything in public who ended up with Covid from their kid’s daycare. In those cases the kids had no symptoms at all but passed it on to mom and dad and then they had to get the kids tested. I know with younger kids in daycare it’s more hands on than a school teacher so maybe that’s the reason it’s spreading there and not in schools. It’s impossible to know for sure with a complete lack of adequate testing and tracing.

Edit: here’s an article about the rollout. I think the Initial plan was to test every kid, but they aren’t ready for that yet. It’s mostly kids with one on one aids or other special needs that require staff to be closer than 6 feet to the kids and all staff but it’s voluntary not mandatory

North Penn Among First Montco Schools To Launch COVID-19 Testing

The rapid coronavirus tests will be used as a preventative measure to check on staff weekly, as well as certain students.

patch.com

 

[seabreezept813]

2 school districts in my county are ramping up the mass testing as a trial to see if it will work for the whole county. I believe the plan is to use the quick tests on all students and staff once a week. It’s not my kid’s schools, but I do think that’s the way to go. Most spread at the schools was being blamed on after school activities and private get togethers at the high school level but since there’s so much asymptomatic spread in kids who really knows. I know multiple people who are working from home and don’t do much of anything in public who ended up with Covid from their kid’s daycare. In those cases the kids had no symptoms at all but passed it on to mom and dad and then they had to get the kids tested. I know with younger kids in daycare it’s more hands on than a school teacher so maybe that’s the reason it’s spreading there and not in schools. It’s impossible to know for sure with a complete lack of adequate testing and tracing.

Edit: here’s an article about the rollout. I think the Initial plan was to test every kid, but they aren’t ready for that yet. It’s mostly kids with one on one aids or other special needs that require staff to be closer than 6 feet to the kids and all staff but it’s voluntary not mandatory

North Penn Among First Montco Schools To Launch COVID-19 Testing

The rapid coronavirus tests will be used as a preventative measure to check on staff weekly, as well as certain students.

patch.com

I think the daycare situation is a sign that the new covid strains have been here for 2-3 months. In the spring when emergency daycares were open and there are a ton of those, the outbreaks weren’t happening. Kids in daycare don’t mask so it’s not surprising that they spread it, but that just didn’t seem to be the case last spring.
I’ll never forget my daughter’s first year in daycare she brought home to me the weirdest kids viruses.. I would get high fever 24 hour bugs when I hadn’t had a fever since I was a kid. We pulled her out this year and have our neighbor in college babysitting her. It’s been a blessing because I don’t have the sick time to quarantine. It’s also given me time to find spots for her and her future baby sister next year as the one we used shut down permanently due to covid. But the daycare situation has been a real mess.

 

[Shouldigo12]

This is what galls me. We have a President who downplayed the emergence of this virus. Acted as if it was a personal plot by the world to harm him personally. One who forced his advisors to walk on eggshells as not to upset him or make him feel stupid, to boil issues of vital National Security down to a couple of pages of graphics. One who degraded science, and expert analysis. The one who wrapped himself in an escalating blanket of lies about the election and his right to stay in office even though he lost a free and fair election.

After all of that, on the first working day of the new Presidency when we might finally get full and complete answers regarding our ability to fight this virus and have confidence in what was being said hadn't been run through some spin machine to make it more palatable to the President. After we learn that there is not any semblance of what adults would consider a full plan to vaccinate the population. The lack of a substantial plan, that will surely disrupt the timeline. The man who has spent a lifetime combating infectious diseases, because he says something you do not like and does not conform to your opinion on the state of things, *HE* is the one on a power trip?

We discussed this in December, when I was getting crap about the mask thing through 2021, that Dr. Fauci was saying THEN that next year's Thanksgiving he *hopes* will be more normal and people were upset with him too. When he mentioned that we might need upwards of 90% of the population to really reach herd immunity. I'm sorry you didn't listen to his November & December statements. He didn't move the goal posts. You object to his conclusion, with no evidence other than a disgusting presumption of his motives. As if anyone would get their jollies over telling people that this is going to continue to suck for a long time. As someone who recently felt they were being accused of vile motives I thought you might be more sensitive to those type of presumptions, but I guess not.

This virus has not and will not conform to a human timeline of when we want it to be over. No matter how much you or anyone else insists.

'This is not fake news': Dr. Fauci talks holiday travel safety and upcoming vaccines in 1-on-1 interview

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said he remains "concerned" that Americans might not get vaccinated.

www.khou.com

Americans celebrate Christmas Eve under spiraling COVID pandemic

Americans marked a grim Christmas Eve on Thursday as coronavirus infections exploded nationwide, political leaders warned them not to travel or gather in large groups and a highly contagious variant of the virus spread further in Europe.

www.reuters.com

Amen. I don't know how people still think we can make precautions and requirements just by being "over it". It's like masks- I remember everyone saying they'll never require masks because everyone hates them so much. Then they won't keep the mask requirement through summer because it's too hot and we all hate them so much. Then it won't be required by the winter because we'll have been wearing masks for months now, people are tired of it, and (plot twist) we hate them so much. And they surely won't require them still by this summer, because didn't you know we all hate wearing them so much?

The virus does not care how tired we are of precautions. It doesn't care that we don't want to wait months to achieve herd immunity. Fauci realizes that and tells the situation like it is, not what we all want to hear.

 

[correcaminos]

Our bus in normal times is 3 kids to a seat at the elementary level so unless they went down to 1/3 capacity we wouldn’t have 1 kid per seat and no aids to enforce distancing anyway. I suppose if they have 1/3 the kids the ride would be shorter, but to drive straight from my house to the school is 5-10 mins depending on traffic (which is still lighter than normal) so unless he was the last kid picked up and they went straight to the school he would likely be on the bus more than 15 mins. The other problem is they aren’t doing any type of tracing for the buses so if a kid tests positive they make kids who sit near them in class quarantine but they do nothing for the kids sitting around them on the bus.

They keep saying no traced spread from the schools by me too, but recently I’ve become very skeptical of that. I have good friends who both tested positive and so did their 2 kids. The department of health never called them or asked them any questions about contact and the school never did either. Nobody in their class or on the bus was asked to quarantine even though the father had symptoms starting on a Sunday and tested positive on Tuesday night and the kids were in school Mon and Tue before being pulled out on Wed due to dad testing positive. They then tested positive too. In my mind any kids they had close contact with should have been informed and also tested or asked to quarantine. None of that happened. It’s easy to have no traced spread if you don’t trace. It was really disappointing to hear about considering we are all trusting the schools to do the right thing. I worry that the desire to keep schools open at all costs is resulting in a less than sincere effort to determine if spread is happening. It makes me feel a little bit better that these kids aren’t in my district, but how do I know my district is doing any better?

Like I said our district will not do 3 to a seat for safety past 1st grade. No way 4th or 5th grade and beyond can fit. I know our school does trace though. Kids are over 6ft masked all the time. No cafeteria. No closeness outside of special needs who wear full PPE. They contact for any breakage of rules. Even outside contact they quarantine. I think it's all about how good the schools are tbh

Definitely.

I was telling my family that it is a relief to know I wasn't nuts. Like what would have happened to have that arm pain so long and do much.

 

[Incomudro]

Amen. I don't know how people still think we can make precautions and requirements just by being "over it". It's like masks- I remember everyone saying they'll never require masks because everyone hates them so much. Then they won't keep the mask requirement through summer because it's too hot and we all hate them so much. Then it won't be required by the winter because we'll have been wearing masks for months now, people are tired of it, and (plot twist) we hate them so much. And they surely won't require them still by this summer, because didn't you know we all hate wearing them so much?

The virus does not care how tired we are of precautions. It doesn't care that we don't want to wait months to achieve herd immunity. Fauci realizes that and tells the situation like it is, not what we all want to hear.

Once they got these masks on our faces, they were never going to allow us to take them off.