Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Parker in NYC]

See, “I’ll wait and see” hospital employees? You should have taken the chance while you had it. Probably be a while now, as you compete with everyone else at Publix et al.

I can’t imagine who you could be referring to...

Amen. I don't know how people still think we can make precautions and requirements just by being "over it". It's like masks- I remember everyone saying they'll never require masks because everyone hates them so much. Then they won't keep the mask requirement through summer because it's too hot and we all hate them so much. Then it won't be required by the winter because we'll have been wearing masks for months now, people are tired of it, and (plot twist) we hate them so much. And they surely won't require them still by this summer, because didn't you know we all hate wearing them so much?

The virus does not care how tired we are of precautions. It doesn't care that we don't want to wait months to achieve herd immunity. Fauci realizes that and tells the situation like it is, not what we all want to hear.

Amen!!!

 

[Parker in NYC]

Once they got these masks on our faces, they were never going to allow us to take them off.

Funny, I see folks who haven’t been wearing them at all. I guess if they never started, they don’t have to worry about taking them off, n’est-ce pas?

 

[sullyinMT]

I can’t imagine who you could be referring to...

All of ‘em. I have coworkers and friends in the same boat as a few posters here. Assuming other states follow FL’s example in this regard, their time to wait and still have on demand availability is drawing to a close.

 

[Parker in NYC]

All of ‘em. I have coworkers and friends in the same boat. Assuming other states follow FL’s example in this regard, their time to wait and still have on demand availability is drawing to a close.

I was referring to a specific someone in the thread but I guessed they would be representative of many who are following suit.

 

[dreday3]

Woohoo!!! Illinois's 7 day rolling positivity rate is down to 4.9% and dropping! And vaccinations are only just beginning for 65 and older on Monday!

Light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter and brighter!

 

[GoofGoof]

Woohoo!!! Illinois's 7 day rolling positivity rate is down to 4.9% and dropping! And vaccinations are only just beginning for 65 and older on Monday!

Light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter and brighter!

I’m gearing up for many positive posts like this coming soon from everywhere. We are finally seeing a drop in cases and hospitalizations are down for several weeks now. We are still above 5% positive right now but under 10 and closing in on 5.

 

[Flugell]

Why would they let us take them off if the cases are spiking like they are right now? Eventually when the statistics show it’s no longer needed the masks will not be required. Until then there‘s no reason to think otherwise. Not sure why people think there should be a set date (like May 1) or a change because a vaccine is available. It’s business as usual until the virus is beaten down.

Will it be the virus throughout the world or the virus in the USA?
I can envisage herd immunity being achieved in the USA, the U.K. Europe, Australia and New Zealand and being declared in China and Russia (not necessarily the same thing!) but what about the rest of the world? Will it be safe to remove restrictions if areas of S America, Africa and Asia etc are still in the grip of the Pandemic?
I’m not trying to be a killjoy but interested in everyone’s opinions.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Woohoo!!! Illinois's 7 day rolling positivity rate is down to 4.9% and dropping! And vaccinations are only just beginning for 65 and older on Monday!

Light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter and brighter!

This is great!!! There a lot of chatter from the experts that this thing may last for years. Here’s hoping the experts are wrong again...

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Here’s hoping the experts are wrong again...

When have they been wrong so far?

 

[sullyinMT]

Will it be the virus throughout the world or the virus in the USA?
I can envisage herd immunity being achieved in the USA, the U.K. Europe, Australia and New Zealand and being declared in China and Russia (not necessarily the same thing!) but what about the rest of the world? Will it be safe to remove restrictions if areas of S America, Africa and Asia etc are still in the grip of the Pandemic?
I’m not trying to be a killjoy but interested in everyone’s opinions.

Safe locally (state/province?). Then nationally. International restrictions will undoubtedly be last to go, but I can see them loosening and travel becoming possible within some type of bubble construct, the way NZ and the Cook Islands have enacted.

 

[GoofGoof]

Will it be the virus throughout the world or the virus in the USA?
I can envisage herd immunity being achieved in the USA, the U.K. Europe, Australia and New Zealand and being declared in China and Russia (not necessarily the same thing!) but what about the rest of the world? Will it be safe to remove restrictions if areas of S America, Africa and Asia etc are still in the grip of the Pandemic?
I’m not trying to be a killjoy but interested in everyone’s opinions.

It’s going to be a while for the whole world, I agree. What I think is likely to happen is in places where it’s under control the restrictions will be mostly lifted but international travel will still be heavily monitored. Flying in will probably require proof of vaccination and/or a negative test. Mainland Europe is probably tougher to regulate than the US or islands like UK, Japan or Australia due to open borders. I could see breakouts occurring from international travelers, but similar to measles now it’s easier to trace and test around that and contain quickly once many people are vaccinated or naturally immune.

For WDW I think they will be able to be open without restrictions by the Fall at the latest and will rely on the TSA and federal laws around international travel to keep infected people out of the country if the other countries are a little behind. It all depends on vaccine acceptance and rollout. I guess there’s some concern about variants and vaccine resistance too, but I’m not willing to accept that as an issue yet. Still staying focused on the positives of vaccine rollout and the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Disstevefan1]

When have they been wrong so far?

There were many but just a couple -
The time it would take to develop a vaccine
The early models that estimated the death tool were way off thank goodness.

 

[GoofGoof]

When have they been wrong so far?

Fauci said no masks in March I kid of course

I think most experts have been pretty upbeat and positive on the vaccine and the actual science coming from the scientists that are developing the vaccines seems to imply the vaccines could provide long lasting immunity. Not sure what experts were saying the pandemic would last years.

 

[hopemax]

As always, I will be the curmudgeon. There is a Washington Post article about the situation in Denmark. Cases have been dropping for a month! Good news, right? They have been sequencing every case though. The UK variant has increased by 70% and the restrictions that we have become accustomed to slowing spread like masks and distancing are less effective.

Same problem, potential for overwhelmed hospitals as this could kick up into an out of control wildfire if the “winds pickup without warning.” The health officials commented how grateful they were to see the spread of the UK variant because the lower cases would have lulled them into a false sense of security for the state of things. They compared it to a tsunami where the water pulls back from the shore before it completely inundates it.

Guess what we are lagging in the US. Variant surveillance.

 

[correcaminos]

There were many but just a couple -
The time it would take to develop a vaccine
The early models that estimated the death tool were way off thank goodness.

And in my state the models were way off - for the worse. So not thank goodness here.

Vaccine time seems pretty close too

But maybe we're listening to different news and medical sources.

 

[dreday3]

As always, I will be the curmudgeon. There is a Washington Post article about the situation in Denmark. Cases have been dropping for a month! Good news, right? They have been sequencing every case though. The UK variant has increased by 70% and the restrictions that we have become accustomed to slowing spread like masks and distancing are less effective.

Same problem, potential for overwhelmed hospitals as this could kick up into an out of control wildfire if the “winds pickup without warning.” The health officials commented how grateful they were to see the spread of the UK variant because the lower cases would have lulled them into a false sense of security for the state of things. They compared it to a tsunami where the water pulls back from the shore before it completely inundates it.

Guess what we are lagging in the US. Variant surveillance.

You really need to change your user-name.

Illinois cases have been dropping since after Thanksgiving. It's the real deal. And if vaccinations ramp up as they should, then the UK variant (which unless I'm wrong, no one has said the vaccine won't work on it) won't be much of an impact.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 153 new reported deaths, along with 3 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

 

[Chi84]

There were many but just a couple -
The time it would take to develop a vaccine
The early models that estimated the death tool were way off thank goodness.

Also the effectiveness of vaccines

 

[Mark52479]

Todays numbers show you why you have to look at the 7 day avg and nothing else to get a clear picture going forward.

Yesterday you had a lot of labs reporting ONLY positive cases which caused big spike in positivity. Today you have a MAJOR lab dump with over 220,000 with lots of negative results in there.

Positivity rate got slashed in half all across the board.

Orange county when from 13.4% to 7.5% Palm beach county went from 11% to 5% today.

Just remember look at the 7 days to get the clearest picture.

and again, FL really needs to get ontop of these labs and make them report their results more accurately.

 

[GoofGoof]

As always, I will be the curmudgeon. There is a Washington Post article about the situation in Denmark. Cases have been dropping for a month! Good news, right? They have been sequencing every case though. The UK variant has increased by 70% and the restrictions that we have become accustomed to slowing spread like masks and distancing are less effective.

Same problem, potential for overwhelmed hospitals as this could kick up into an out of control wildfire if the “winds pickup without warning.” The health officials commented how grateful they were to see the spread of the UK variant because the lower cases would have lulled them into a false sense of security for the state of things. They compared it to a tsunami where the water pulls back from the shore before it completely inundates it.

Guess what we are lagging in the US. Variant surveillance.

There’s no reason to believe the UK variant has not been in the US for a while now. We don’t know one way or the other how much of the increase in cases during the recent wave has been due to a more contagious variant. Some testing in CA seems to point to that being a potential driver. As @dreday3 said the vaccine seems to be highly effective vs the UK variant so assuming the vaccination rollout is successful it’s not an issue.