Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Disney Experience]

Now a story of a organization not dropping the ball when an unexpected failure occurs in cold storage of vaccine:

A hospital in Northern California quickly vaccinated 850 people after a freezer that was holding the Moderna COVID-19 vaccines failed, prompting officials to do an emergency distribution of the vaccines before they spoiled.

An outage Monday left the refrigerator at the Adventist Health Ukiah Valley Medical Center in Mendocino County without power. By the time hospital officials realized the freezer had malfunctioned, they had 2.5 hours to distribute the vaccines, which have a shelf life of 12 hours at room temperature, Cici Winiger, Adventist Health spokeswoman, told the Ukiah Daily Journal.

The hospital sent 200 doses to Mendocino County Public Health that were dispensed to county workers, including sheriff’s deputies and jail staff. Jail inmates also received the vaccine, Winiger said.

– The Associated Press

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Heppenheimer]

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2021-01-04/new-york-florida-tell-hospitals-to-speed-covid-19-vaccinations-or-lose-supply

I'm no fan of the way DeSantis has handled the pandemic but I give him credit for having a good idea here.

 

[Patcheslee]

When they say out of state I don’t they mean international travel exclusively. It would include me traveling from PA to FL.

We're planning KI for sure (gotta make use of our season passes lol) . On the fence with a FL visit this summer, just depends on how things go. Tentative for late June, only hotel booked as a place holder. Tickets, flights, and anything else nonrefundable we are waiting to purchase.

 

[Figgy1]

Numbers are out - there were 98 new reported deaths, along with 2 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

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Thank for for keeping up with the reports. Right now I can't see a good reason to go to Florida even if I could go

 

[hopemax]

I'm no fan of the way DeSantis has handled the pandemic but I give him credit for having a good idea here.

Well, it depends on what is happening on the ground. This seems like a potential example of how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Hospitals in areas with wealthier clientele and by necessity robust logistical systems in place might do better than hospitals in poorer areas that struggle on a normal basis. And maybe it's not rich/poor but urban/rural, university/local, etc. If the state then comes in and says we're going to punish your hospital by already having fewer resources than a Top Tier hospital, may result in the more vulnerable people being left behind again. When what they might need is more assistance by the National Guard, Red Cross, military logistics-type personnel.

 

[Disney Experience]

Reedy Creek Fire Department which protects Disneyworld has an indirect link to the Fire Fighter union position on Covid-19 vaccines and fire fighter members. Covers Fire fighter policy topics such as mandates, opting out, helping vaccinate others etc.

https://www.iaff.org/wp-content/uploads/IAFF-Position-Statement-on-Vaccines-FINAL-1.pdf

Coronavirus - IAFF

www.iaff.org

Reedy Creek Professional Firefighters

www.reedycreek.org

 

[jrice]

I think freedom and personal choice should be the default and in most situations is the best scenario. But there are certain problems that can best be solved by cooperating and conforming. A pandemic is one of those situations.

It's accurate that shaming is generally not an effective means to elicit a positive behavior. There's evidence, for instance, that shaming someone for being overweight doesn't help and could even lead to the person developing a disorder. But if someone puts on weight, that only directly affects them. Now we have a situation where if people avoid vaccines, it affects others very directly. I have to admit that the idea of going to a hospital where staff don't get vaccinated is pretty unpleasant, and I have zero control over it.

So we need good messaging and good policies to create good public behavior. Sadly, we don't seem to have any experts working on that at all. I think that issue has been vastly undervalued in the struggle to distribute vaccines. But it is obviously not a priority for the administration.

 

[DisneyCane]

Well, it depends on what is happening on the ground. This seems like a potential example of how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Hospitals in areas with wealthier clientele and by necessity robust logistical systems in place might do better than hospitals in poorer areas that struggle on a normal basis. And maybe it's not rich/poor but urban/rural, university/local, etc. If the state then comes in and says we're going to punish your hospital by already having fewer resources than a Top Tier hospital, may result in the more vulnerable people being left behind again. When what they might need is more assistance by the National Guard, Red Cross, military logistics-type personnel.

He's also working with churches in minority communities in the hopes of getting the parishioners to trust the vaccine in addition to the logistical help of getting it into those communities.

 

[DCBaker]

According to the Bloomberg vaccine tracker, this is the current vaccine status as of tonight -

Bloomberg Vaccine Tracker

 

[DisneyCane]

According to the Bloomberg vaccine tracker, this is the current vaccine status as of tonight -

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Bloomberg Vaccine Tracker

I'd expect the used percentage to start catching up but then hit snag when people have to start getting the second shot because they will take up shot giving capacity.

 

[Kevin_W]

According to the Bloomberg vaccine tracker, this is the current vaccine status as of tonight -

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Bloomberg Vaccine Tracker

Thanks for that link.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

According to the Bloomberg vaccine tracker, this is the current vaccine status as of tonight -

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Bloomberg Vaccine Tracker

I'd expect the used percentage to start catching up but then hit snag when people have to start getting the second shot because they will take up shot giving capacity.

Want to hear the good news? The money to states needed to outfit the infrastructure probably finally gets through...now that the white noise has been silenced.

That had been foretold for about 10 months.


Where are we? 3,600 deaths and 132,000 in the hospital yesterday?

We’re really kicking butt and taking names now!!

 

[correcaminos]

I'd expect the used percentage to start catching up but then hit snag when people have to start getting the second shot because they will take up shot giving capacity.

Not so sure. Friends are receiving second doses of Pfizer without issue. Not hard to give a dose, and hold a dose until more supplies come in. Only give shots to those you have 2nd doses for at this time.

 

[DisneyCane]

Not so sure. Friends are receiving second doses of Pfizer without issue. Not hard to give a dose, and hold a dose until more supplies come in. Only give shots to those you have 2nd doses for at this time.

That's not what I meant. I think that giving the second dose will take up "shot giving capacity" so that people have trouble getting the first dose.

 

[GoofGoof]

I'd expect the used percentage to start catching up but then hit snag when people have to start getting the second shot because they will take up shot giving capacity.

I am actually ok with them keeping a reserve on hand for second shots or getting deliveries short of expectations. In a simple example let’s say my county schedules 1,000 people to receive the vaccine tomorrow and is expecting 1,000 doses to arrive today. When the shipment arrives it’s only 750 doses. Instead of cancelling on 250 people they just dip into their reserve. Then they replace those doses in the reserve from a later shipment. The good news is once the reserve is established in theory you don’t need to add much to it so most doses received should be used.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That's not what I meant. I think that giving the second dose will take up "shot giving capacity" so that people have trouble getting the first dose.

Then it just delays it. Logistics are a mess and trying to “extend” the net isn’t warranted. Two doses...as the CDC says. Missing the second doses for any reason isn’t wise.

 

[Kevin_W]

I am actually ok with them keeping a reserve on hand for second shots or getting deliveries short of expectations. In a simple example let’s say my county schedules 1,000 people to receive the vaccine tomorrow and is expecting 1,000 doses to arrive today. When the shipment arrives it’s only 750 doses. Instead of cancelling on 250 people they just dip into their reserve. Then they replace those doses in the reserve from a later shipment. The good news is once the reserve is established in theory you don’t need to add much to it so most doses received should be used.

What he's saying by "capacity" is the time/people to give the shot. If nurse A can give 100 shots during her shift, but today is giving those 100 shots to people who got their first dose 3 weeks ago, then she is not giving 100 first doses to new people.

I share that concern. My state had picked up to 20-30,000 new vaccinations by the end of the last week, but was only at <8000 Monday. It could be a continuation of their general poor performance, but yesterday was also 3 weeks from the start of vaccinations so it's when people are going back for the 2nd shot.

 

[correcaminos]

That's not what I meant. I think that giving the second dose will take up "shot giving capacity" so that people have trouble getting the first dose.

That's what I expect and am okay with. You have limited time to do the 2nd shot. The 2nd shot is needed as much as the 1st

 

[correcaminos]

What he's saying by "capacity" is the time/people to give the shot. If nurse A can give 100 shots during her shift, but today is giving those 100 shots to people who got their first dose 3 weeks ago, then she is not giving 100 first doses to new people.

I share that concern. My state had picked up to 20-30,000 new vaccinations by the end of the last week, but was only at <8000 Monday. It could be a continuation of their general poor performance, but yesterday was also 3 weeks from the start of vaccinations so it's when people are going back for the 2nd shot.

I understand frustrations but what do you expect? Yes I have friends who got the 1st shot already vaccinated a second time. Both shots are equally as important.