Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Alberta

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Next time you need major heart surgery, feel free to jump on a plane to Naples. Good luck with that. And all of the medical breakthroughs coming out of Sicily...

Been in plenty of Italian hospitals - but you clicked on Wikipedia so....

Your position is anedoctal, the WHO rating is fact based.

But, it is true that Sicily and Naples (Campania) could do much better, as this picture shows:
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This just means that the North health care system must be even better to bring the overall system so high in WHO rankings... and that is the system (in Piemonte, Emilia Romagna, Lombardy) that is overwhelmed right now.
Sicily and Naples have been barely touched by COVID-19 (for now).
 

HongKongFooy

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I just have to say...mind your own business.


Hey DVCer,

this is a social, highly communicable disease and what you do or don't do can adversely affect others.

It's all of our business at this point.


Oh and nice job of completely missing the intention and benign message of the original topic maker for your own defensive posturing.
 
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monothingie

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
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Maybe not for you, but your human contact could become a death sentence for others.
Statistically right now there are many other more prevalent ways I could be killed everyday, but I'm not. I'm not downplaying the significance of this event, but it must be put in perspective. You have people right now wearing biohazard suits to the grocery store, hoarding TP, drinking bleach. This is becoming panic fueled insanity.
 

mikejs78

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Your position is anedoctal, the WHO rating is fact based.

But, it is true that Sicily and Naples (Campania) could do much better, as this picture shows:
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This just means that the North health care system must be even better to bring the overall system so high in WHO rankings... and that is the system (in Piemonte, Emilia Romagna, Lombardy) that is overwhelmed right now.
Sicily and Naples have been barely touched by COVID-19 (for now).
That's beside the fact that quality of the health care system isn't the real issue here. Sure, patients in a better system will, on average, have better outcomes. The real concern and danger is capacity of the health care system, which is finite and can't easily be scaled up. It does no good to anyone if the health care system is the best in the world but it's overwhelmed by cases and has to turn people who need treatment away.
 

mikejs78

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Statistically right now there are many other more prevalent ways I could be killed everyday, but I'm not. I'm not downplaying the significance of this event, but it must be put in perspective. You have people right now wearing biohazard suits to the grocery store, hoarding TP, drinking bleach. This is becoming panic fueled insanity.
I actually agree that all those things are overkill. But the idea of social isolation is not. And as I said above, the concern is that it will overwhelm the health care system. And then you'll be in a lot more trouble. Get in a car accident? Sorry, all the ICU beds are full. Have a heart attack? The emergency room is overwhelmed.

The point of all this isn't that this is bad right now, but it's to prevent it from getting bad.
 

MrPromey

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OMG...the underwear thing...thank God it's not just my boys that are like that!!! (14 and 9...and I've been nagging the older one super hard because holy hell he's getting too old to walk around in just briefs!)

My son (still younger) will take his shorts off within minutes of walking in the door if I don't stop him. Sometimes I'll find them up by the front door right where he took his shoes off. 🙄
 

MrPromey

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xdan0920

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Statistically right now there are many other more prevalent ways I could be killed everyday, but I'm not. I'm not downplaying the significance of this event, but it must be put in perspective. You have people right now wearing biohazard suits to the grocery store, hoarding TP, drinking bleach. This is becoming panic fueled insanity.
I have spent the last several years drinking small amounts of bleach daily in order to prevent all illnesses. It hasn't worked as of yet, but I am sure positive results are just around the bend. Perhaps if I increase my daily intake?
 

monothingie

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
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I actually agree that all those things are overkill. But the idea of social isolation is not. And as I said above, the concern is that it will overwhelm the health care system. And then you'll be in a lot more trouble. Get in a car accident? Sorry, all the ICU beds are full. Have a heart attack? The emergency room is overwhelmed.

The point of all this isn't that this is bad right now, but it's to prevent it from getting bad.
Looking at the break down right now in other countries with higher numbers than the US , specifically South Korea and some European countries, you don't see this materializing. Even in countries that have been over run with this such as Iran and Italy, while it isn't good, it has not been apocalyptic. Everything needs to be put into perspective. Assuming the data coming out of China and Iran is accurate, if these countries with substandard health care are dealing with the problem, why wouldn't the US be able to deal with it better? Just recently you had a former high ranking government official in the previous administration claiming on social media that there would be 1 million deaths in America because of this. Grossly irresponsible.
 

Prince-1

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Looking at the break down right now in other countries with higher numbers than the US , specifically South Korea and some European countries, you don't see this materializing. Even in countries that have been over run with this such as Iran and Italy, while it isn't good, it has not been apocalyptic. Everything needs to be put into perspective. Assuming the data coming out of China and Iran is accurate, if these countries with substandard health care are dealing with the problem, why wouldn't the US be able to deal with it better? Just recently you had a former high ranking government official in the previous administration claiming on social media that there would be 1 million deaths in America because of this. Grossly irresponsible.

So were you ok with the video showing thousands of people at WDW yesterday?
 

Prince-1

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Yes.

It was just like it was the previous day, and the day prior, and the day prior...

And since this issue has become a prevalent one, not a single person at WDW has reported any illness as a result.

And this mentality is the reason that COVID-19 will continue to do what it's going to do. Hey, make sure you PM me when you realize the seriousness of what we are facing. 👍

Edited to add that yes some people are overreacting but the threat to what we are facing not only to our physical health but to our economic health is not debatable. Our economy is going to suffer more than we have seen in a very long time including post 9-11.
 

GoofGoof

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Normally when governments take action it doesn't involve shutting down the economy and negatively effecting hundreds of millions of people. Therefore, the standard should be higher.

The Governors are all reacting the same because they are politicians and don't want to be criticized as not caring about "saving lives."

I also think people put too much faith into the "experts." Since the task force started, even the great guru Dr. Fauci has contradicted himself more than once.

People like him are having their moment in the sun. If you don't think that part of them is enjoying the power trip I've got land in the Everglades to sell you.
I’m usually not the first to trust the government so I hear what you are saying and I definitely don’t trust politicians, but in this case there’s a unilateral agreement among almost everyone (political and non-political) on this. Even if we throw out all of the politicians and the political appointees there are tons of doctors and people who have dedicated their lives to studying these types of events who have no “dog in the race” politically.

I am open to hearing alternate opinions and I’m certain nobody out there has all the answers on this so everything is on the table. I just haven’t heard anyone with any real credibility stating that this whole thing is an overreaction and we have plenty of ICU beds and ventilators. It’s almost unprecedented that everyone agrees this is a problem.
 

monothingie

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
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And this mentality is the reason that COVID-19 will continue to do what it's going to do. Hey, make sure you PM me when you realize the seriousness of what we are facing. 👍
You do realize that even if you are stricken with this the vast majority of people experience mild to moderate symptoms. Many people may have already been infected and not even realize they had this.
 

Jon81uk

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And this mentality is the reason that COVID-19 will continue to do what it's going to do. Hey, make sure you PM me when you realize the seriousness of what we are facing. 👍

Edited to add that yes some people are overreacting but the threat to what we are facing not only to our physical health but to our economic health is not debatable. Our economy is going to suffer more than we have seen in a very long time including post 9-11.

But the park is now closed. There was always going to be a last day of operation and there is always crowds.
 

NickMaio

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In a month we'll forget about this virus because it won't be in the news and they'll just find another way to scare people through the media. Quick, try to remember what panic happened in 2009 with the Swine Flu. You can't, because we didn't panic. The world didn't go nuts at that time. This time they made people panic and go out and buy bulk toilet paper without needing to put a gun to their head.

The real cause for concern is how this will affect the global economy going forward. If the NBA, NHL, Disney, Universal, etc. all close their doors that is a bad sign, not for the end of the world or nothing, but just that it shows how ridiculous this panic has been overblown.

Before anyone says "Don't you care about the deaths?"
The answer is yes I do. But considering in the same time frame 10x more people have died worldwide over the flu, I think we need to just relax. We'll be fine. But if they were hoping to have the world economy impacted negatively it might just work.
I really hope you are right......
But many factors point to the opposite.
There are many aspects of this virus that make it wildly different than others before it. Not to mention population density around the planet since the last major outbreak.
This is going to be one for the history books, already, never mind 6 months from now.

Stay safe and healthy.
 
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