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Polkadotdress
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I just don’t understand the constant excuse if there being a lag in data reporting. This vaccine roll-out is literally THE MOST important thing in our country right now. Why aren’t there enough resources to ensure instantaneous data? Isn’t this project called “Warp Speed?”The 2 million number is quite dated by now. The CDC number of 2 million comes from the update on 12/26 at 9am and the site says that number vaccinated is on at least a 3 day reporting lag so in reality there were 2 million vaccinated by 12/22. We are still behind but it’s not as bad as 2 million with 3 days to go. It’s 2 million with 9 days to go and the 2 million only included 2 days of Moderna since it started a week later than Pfizer. I am hoping for another CDC update soon with more up to date numbers.
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GoofGoof
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From the CDC page:
Healthcare providers report doses to state, territorial, and local public health agencies up to 72 hours after administration. There may be additional reporting lag for data to be transmitted from the state, territorial, or local public health agency to CDC.
The CDC is reporting doses distributed without a lag because Warp Speed directs Pfizer and Moderna where to ship the doses. As soon as they leave the manufacturing facility they get flagged as ”distributed”. The actual administration of the shots is not run by the federal government. It’s from the local level up to the states then up to the CDC. So a hospital that is administering the vaccine is probably more focused on actual vaccinations vs reporting. I also think Christmas plays a part. Many people are on vacation the past few weeks of the year so that May account for additional lags in reporting.
A good way to look at this is there are nearly 12M doses distributed so while we are unlikely to hit the 20M originally targeted its possible to be somewhere around 15M or more. Not great but not a train wreck either.
TrainsOfDisney
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I’m not gonna feel sorry for anyone who can’t survive on $3,600 a month. ($300 plus the stimulus).
Right? Those kids don't need college.
TrainsOfDisney
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I’m totally confused... what is the solution then? Give everyone $10k a month? Make college free during the pandemic? Or we should have just ignored the pandemic because it’s not real?
So you admit letting the government decide on some arbitrary number might not get the job done? People's lives are full of pesky little details that no "one size fits all" approach will work for.
The answer is to find a way to let as many businesses as possible operate in the safest way possible. If you must close something down (through no fault of their own, like bars for example) then they need to be compensated for that.
TrainsOfDisney
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Isn’t that what did and is happening? My business was compensated during the forced closure in my area.
SamusAranX
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Any links on how to contact / make appointment? Want to get my Abuela in ASAP to get hers
GoofGoof
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I can see this from both sides. Unemployment is designed as a temporary program to keep people afloat while they find another job. It’s not designed to keep you whole in the lifestyle you are accustomed to indefinitely, it’s designed to keep you fed and in your home, basic emergency needs. This pandemic has gone on for 9 months now, far longer than any unemployment program is intended to last. There is a need for additional money beyond the basics of not starving or becoming homeless because of the length of time it’s lasting. At the same time it’s not possible to design a program where everyone is kept completely whole unless you literally say employers cannot lay anyone off and that they just keep paying employees and then the government reimburses them for losses during that time. Even that isn‘t perfect for workers that make a large share of their money from tips or from overtime that varies week to week.
TrainsOfDisney
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Agreed. I thought the $600 a week additional was a pretty fair amount.
GoofGoof
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The small business help was badly botched. Aside from that the problem with this approach is also that even in places like FL right now where bars and restaurants are allowed to be fully open without capacity limits there is still massive unemployment. People still need help. Half the CMs at WDW are still not back and the ones who are in a lot of cases are getting reduced hours. Just opening businesses up without restrictions isn’t going to be the solution for everyone, otherwise FL would be back to full employment with no issues. It’s a lot more complicated than that.
GoofGoof
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It’s also combined with a series of other programs that had varying levels of success. If you are renting there is rent assistance as well as a moratorium on evictions. For home owners all major mortgage companies offered some form of forbearance agreements to borrowers to defer their mortgage until they get back to work. Same with deferrals on some school loans. Many private companies also offered help. I know electric utilities were offering plans in many areas to either defer payments or apply for assistance with payments. Food banks and other government programs were ramped up to try to assist people in getting over the hump. When you combine state and federal unemployment with those things it helps but as more time goes on it gets harder to rely on all that stuff. The end is in sight. I think this bill should get us over the hump and then 1 more stimulus bill to jump start the economy in the Spring.
TrainsOfDisney
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I agree.
I’m just not sure what people want. Opening up and pretending everything is fine isn’t really an option.
So since you got yours everybody was taken care of?
Lots of small businesses are going under as we speak. Plenty of businesses still not allowed to open and have no compensation at this point. I don't know what's in the new bill, hopefully some of that will help. But it's a disgrace that Congress allowed business to flounder for months after the previous programs ran out.
Glad you think it's "fair". It was way too much for teenagers who lost part time jobs. And it wasn't enough for an older person supporting a household.
And not every job loss happened in this were even eligible for that. Many were lost after it expired.
Good luck getting people to pay those large back sums.
TrainsOfDisney
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The programs should have continued but we had a president that insisted that we were rounding the corner and said we needed to open up again and refused to believe scientists.
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