Jrb1979
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There is no creative way of dealing with this. The only answer I have is to start fining people for not complying. We've had 9 months of warnings.
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Chi84
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That’s the answer you have. I sure hope someone comes up with something better because that one won’t be done.
Jrb1979
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There is nothing better that can be done.
Chi84
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Well I suppose Biden’s inaugural speech could be a list of infractions and corresponding fines and punishments. But I doubt it. We’ll see soon.
hopemax
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Because it will be sooo much better to pick an arbitrary date and then enrage everyone when the pandemic isn't magically over by that date and restrictions have to continue. After the masks, people said, "Trust us with the truth, we can handle it."
No, people just want to believe whatever they have imagined in their mind will happen instead of the fact that we don't have any personal experience with how long it takes for pandemics to unwind and can't imagine anything that isn't fast.
And if all it took was this to drive people to their wits end, the next century should be fun. I think I need to upgrade my bunker basement, just in case I'm still alive when the 5 year crisis or the 10 year crisis type stuff that every other human time period has had to deal with starts occurring with the same regularity that we managed to avoid for the last 75 years through a lot of hard, multi-national GOVERNMENT work (the all caps is for the person who doesn't believe in human government.)
As for creativeness, since enough people have decided that since infections can't verifiably be traced from person to person with confidence (and therefore they can't be blamed / sued for anything) that it is okay to accidentally or intentionally (in the case of people who went somewhere when they were known COVID positive or feeling sick) inflict harm or kill their fellow humans, even if they are friends, family, coworkers or random people because they want to do something, there is nothing leadership can do to motivate people. If a society is willing to accept mass death and maiming as an acceptable outcome (when you have the tools to avoid it - sometimes we do lack the tools), that's the game. To quote the old cliche, "We've already determined what kind of person you are, now we're just haggling over the price." We have already rejected carrots because that way, even emergency action, leads to a nanny state that will last forever and ever (stimulus) and sticks (restrictions) are unenforceable.
But a lot of people might find some renewed energy in having a new guy to blame for failing to pull off the impossible and avoid the inevitable.
easyrowrdw
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I thought that was an interesting article. It mirrored some of what I'd read other places. The idea was presented in the spring that things would close and open and close and open in cycles. This is what has happened many places, but I guess not so much in California. The reclosing is not easy, but it's probably better than never reopening. As the doctor in the article noted, a relief valve makes a big difference for people. I sure hope things improve out there soon.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Yep...either 100% wrong or 100% unrelated...
Take your pick from the list above
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
I suggest people better get used to wearing masks and social distancing going on for another year.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Can you tell me what “widely available”
Means?
This is so below you. It’s an insult to your intelligence.
I don’t get Chi’s weekend long argument that people can’t be asked to not act completely selfish/stupid??
That’s really where we’re at: stay home for the winter...not do hard manual labor...but we understand if you’re “at your wits end” and are just gonna act stupid...??
hopemax
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IMO, even the experts need to watch when they are leaning into "wishful thinking." While messaging could be better, certainly about masks, I don't think it would have the behavioral impact toward gatherings that they think it will.
We all know drunk driving is bad, how many laws and how many public service campaigns and yet surveys regarding drunk driving indicate that over 20% people admit to driving drunk once or twice in the previous 30 days and over 50% believe they are capable of driving safely after drinking. 24% of men admit to driving while blackout drunk. (https://americanaddictioncenters.org/learn/drunk-driving-statistics-in-america/).
IMO, even without the politicization, COVID behavior is mirroring drunk driving behavior. In both cases people tell themselves they know best, they aren't really that drunk, they aren't driving that far, they didn't have another way to get home, and all the other excuses for why they are safe while other people might not be. But we don't say, "We should have a relief valve, the restrictions for drunk driving are too strict." We don't say, "Most people who drive drunk don't end up in accidents, so we shouldn't have restrictions." No, we tell people, "when you drive drunk you endanger other people," end of story. And we also don't tell people, "If you are worried about drunk drivers, you need to stay off the road not them." Since some people love to insist that it's the people who are fearful who need to stay home, while others are unknowingly free to spread COVID.
We all know drunk driving is bad, how many laws and how many public service campaigns and yet surveys regarding drunk driving indicate that over 20% people admit to driving drunk once or twice in the previous 30 days and over 50% believe they are capable of driving safely after drinking. 24% of men admit to driving while blackout drunk. (https://americanaddictioncenters.org/learn/drunk-driving-statistics-in-america/).
IMO, even without the politicization, COVID behavior is mirroring drunk driving behavior. In both cases people tell themselves they know best, they aren't really that drunk, they aren't driving that far, they didn't have another way to get home, and all the other excuses for why they are safe while other people might not be. But we don't say, "We should have a relief valve, the restrictions for drunk driving are too strict." We don't say, "Most people who drive drunk don't end up in accidents, so we shouldn't have restrictions." No, we tell people, "when you drive drunk you endanger other people," end of story. And we also don't tell people, "If you are worried about drunk drivers, you need to stay off the road not them." Since some people love to insist that it's the people who are fearful who need to stay home, while others are unknowingly free to spread COVID.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
But you can’t make me do that!!!
It’s against the anti mask amendment to the constitution!!
Ma freedom!!
(You see how even exaggeration isn’t as silly as the meritless counter argument??
It’s...just...so...dumb...)
hopemax
Well-Known Member
You can join me in my "wet blanket" corner, I've already been assigned to, when I said I thought that masks would last through 2021.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
There is no nice way to put this no matter who is in charge. Its time to start being the bad cop. We've had 9 months of good cop and being nice about. You either get or you don't. The ones that don't need a financial reminder.
Of all the restrictions in place due to Covid the mask one is the easiest to abide by. Its not hard to live life with wearing a mask and staying 6 ft apart.
But dear @Jrb1979, it is for a lot of folks on this thread. Otherwise, we wouldn’t still be “arguing” about those precautions. Though I’ll admit, that latter bit tends to incite the most baffling arrogance in all of this insanity.
Jrb1979
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Oh I know. Its why California and other places are in the position they are in. People have to people. We have no one to blame but us.
Also, I’m still looking forward to the very near future where it will be claimed that COVID happened under our next President’s watch, you know... it just appeared out of thin air on Inauguration Day. File that under my reliable predictions of the last 9 months on this very thread.
correcaminos
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Not pushing for one, but yes I gave up my salary willingly for 3 months. We donated as much as we could. Put money into businesses that were struggling. Because that's what people do to help each other during times like this. Our govt should've helped, but they failed us in so many ways.
DisneyCane
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I posted the Broward County order a few pages ago. It sure as heck was a lockdown order. You were only allowed to leave your property for things deemed essential by the County. So no, we could not freely come and go.
Stop saying nobody in the US were locked down.
Chi84
Premium Member
I think a lot of people will continue to wear masks even beyond that. I believe it's most likely to be optional in a few months, though. There's no way to really know until the time comes, maddening as that may be.
Picked this to reply, but there’s at least a dozen other posts that hit the same trend. There’s a fixation on lockdown or restrictions vs nothing. As if the only solutions were for everyone to isolate and wait on a vaccine or rampant COVID spread. This is a total failure of national leadership and policy, along with news media reporting accepting this narrative.
The restrictions we're doing are unsustainable long term. The entire point 9 months ago was for them to be temporary, provide a pause in infection spread and allow other mitigation controls to be implemented. Instead, we stopped, called them good enough, and didn’t do any of those things in a coordinated meaningful way.
The fact that we're still debating if the band aid solutions should continue or not just highlights the utter failure of our response.
Sure, when a band aid is all we have, we should keep doing it. But the real anger is about why that’s all we have as a response. Coupled with that because we gave up, even the band aid isn’t implemented correctly.
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