Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Heppenheimer]

An interesting add, my one friend who got theirs today was Moderna's in central Ohio.

Another interesting add, a college suitemate of mine is in another state. Works in surgical portions of the hospital. They were telling me a doctor at their hospital was in a trial. Reported joint and muscle pain after shot, but no other symptoms (no arm pain really which is what my friend are reporting who were vaccinated this past week)and swore had the real deal from the joint and muscle pain. Nope, placebo. In short some reported side effects have to be either normal body aches and pain or psychosomatic. I wasn't about to use muscle & joint pain, or fatigue, or headache as a legit side effect as those can be caused by other things.

Nocebo effect?

I received my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine two days ago. The injection site was a little more sore than usual after a vaccination, but that might be because they used a larger gauge needle. I also couldn't quite reach my same METS level during my usual work-out yesterday. Maybe it was just an off-day, maybe it was due to the vaccine, or maybe the nocebo effect.

Either way, I feel back to normal today.

 

[Kevin_W]

Surprising to hear. All of my friends who work at hospitals and with ltc have already been vaccinated here. I got the vibe it was going rather quickly and just haven't read news. Last health care worker friend got theirs just now.

Good to hear for your friends. Ohio initially sent only 975 doses to each of 10 hospitals. My wife's hospital employs 25,000 people so that only made a dent. I'm sure more are coming, I'm just impatient.

 

[correcaminos]

Nocebo effect?

I received my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine two days ago. The injection site was a little more sore than usual after a vaccination, but that might be because they used a larger gauge needle. I also couldn't quite reach my same METS level during my usual work-out yesterday. Maybe it was just an off-day, maybe it was due to the vaccine, or maybe the nocebo effect.

Either way, I feel back to normal today.

My friend did point out this was an ER doc that surfs and such. I think older than us too (we're early 40s) could be old age lol or nocebo. I figure things you cannot more readily quantify can be as such.

Most of my friends are just reporting arm pain that goes away in 2 days or less. My friend who got Moderna today said a coworker reported fever and chills last night after receiving shot. I assume Moderna as well.

I was convinced I had the placebo at first because I felt nothing for almost 2 hours. I was okay knowing they need placebo and vaccine. Before that I went in thinking it cannot be worse than a tetanus shot if there were any side effects. So maybe I went in more positive than some. I will say the people doing the shots and blood draws at the trial rock. They do it enough that they know how to deal right!

Good to hear for your friends. Ohio initially sent only 975 doses to each of 10 hospitals. My wife's hospital employs 25,000 people so that only made a dent. I'm sure more are coming, I'm just impatient.

Where do you see these numbers? That doesn't match with what I read about deliveries. I also am not sure a couple of my friends would have qualified if so few were given.

Edit: https://governor.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/governor/media/news-and-media/covid19-update-12152020
Seven hospitals in Ohio received their first vaccine shipments today, bringing the total number of vaccine doses delivered to Ohio over the past two days to 98,475
That was from the 15th. My friend who got theirs today was not on that list of hospitals but was indeed a local hospital. Not affiliated with the local hospital listed. Will check with my OSU friends to see where they went for theirs. I missed your word initially but that was from almost 2 weeks ago. More definitely have been delivered.

 

[Kevin_W]

Edit: https://governor.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/governor/media/news-and-media/covid19-update-12152020
Seven hospitals in Ohio received their first vaccine shipments today, bringing the total number of vaccine doses delivered to Ohio over the past two days to 98,475
That was from the 15th. My friend who got theirs today was not on that list of hospitals but was indeed a local hospital. Not affiliated with the local hospital listed. Will check with my OSU friends to see where they went for theirs. I missed your word initially but that was from almost 2 weeks ago. More definitely have been delivered.

Those #'s were from the governor's press conference 2 day ago. He did say initial, so I'm sure more have come since then.

There was a USA Today article this morning saying that nation-wide, 7MM doses had been delivered but only 1MM injected and that was slower than they had expected.

On another note, my dad and step-mom called and are on the way to the hospital as both have tested positive and the urgent care wasn't happy with how they are doing (concerned about fluid in the lungs for my dad an da potential blood clot for the step-mom). My dad had surgery Tuesday, so tested negative on Monday. BBut started feeling bad Wednesday.

 

[correcaminos]

Those #'s were from the governor's press conference 2 day ago. He did say initial, so I'm sure more have come since then.

There was a USA Today article this morning saying that nation-wide, 7MM doses had been delivered but only 1MM injected and that was slower than they had expected.

On another note, my dad and step-mom called and are on the way to the hospital as both have tested positive and the urgent care wasn't happy with how they are doing (concerned about fluid in the lungs for my dad an da potential blood clot for the step-mom). My dad had surgery Tuesday, so tested negative on Monday. BBut started feeling bad Wednesday.

Yep definitely changed since then. I haven't heard from my Ohio State friends who were vaccinated where they went. My friend today with Moderna was not at Riverside for sure and not with a hospital affiliated with Riverside. They actually do in come care and not in hospital work. Granted they work with elderly.

Best wishes to your parents. I hope they get well soon!

 

[ParentsOf4]

My feelings exactly

https://www.insider.com/why-i-regret-disney-world-family-trip-in-pandemic-2020-12

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Interesting read. Seems to line up with a lot of the observations posted here too. Increased capacity has resulted in longer lines and less distancing. Not a great combo for guest satisfaction but I guess Disney has to do what they can to make ends meet.

I've now been to WDW 4 times since the reopening. As a regular, WDW is not as bad as the author makes it out to be.

I went to WDW with what I consider to be reasonable expectations. COVID-19 is raging and it's a mini miracle that WDW is open. IMO, Disney is doing just about the best they can with the cards they have been dealt.

Let's consider the highlights from the article:

"I visited Disney World with my family in November the week after Thanksgiving."

I visited WDW both before and after this, and have visited dozens of times before COVID-19, so I think I have a reasonably good background to judge what WDW is like now compared to pre COVID-19.

"Disney World was busier than we expected, but at least mask-wearing was encouraged throughout the parks."

Two points to make here.

First, if you think WDW was busier than expected, then you haven't been paying attention. Higher attendance has been reported for months.

Second, suggesting that mask-wearing is only "encouraged" is a gross mischaracterization. Mask-compliance is about as high as anyplace you are going to find and Disney will remove you if you fail to comply.

"The Florida theme park had made a number of necessary changes in the interest of safety, the magic felt a little lost with longer wait times for attractions and popular restaurants closed."

Three points to make.

First, I commend Disney for the modifications they have made to address COVID-19. As I have posted elsewhere, I wish others would follow Disney's example.

Second, actual wait times generally are a bit less than normal. Still, socially distanced lines stretch on for what seems like forever. For example, even though the line for Peter Pan's Flight reached Columbia House, it's been nearly 2 decades since we waited less than 30 minutes in the Standby Line in the middle of the day to ride Peter Pan.

Third, nearly all popular restaurants are open, albeit with modified menus. A few that specialize in buffets were closed, but I believe even these are reopening.

"But it wasn't all bad. It was quicker to pick up food with mobile ordering available, transportation ran like clockwork, and we had the pool at our hotel almost to ourselves."

Our experience was similar. I'm old-fashioned but mobile order is the way to go.

And we loved the less-crowded pools.

"Ultimately, though, visiting Disney World during the pandemic wasn't worth the money and effort, and I wish I'd saved to return later when it will be safer and more enjoyable."

This is a reasonable opinion but by no means universal. If you are determined to experience all of the traditional "magic", then I recommend that you do not go. Masks, social distancing, limited character access, closed shows, etc. do make it a less enjoyable experience.

However, if you are willing to adjust expectations, then WDW is one of the safer places you can visit right now.

There's plenty of fun to be had at WDW. Just read my previous trip reports:

Trip Report - The “Is it safe?” Trip Report | WDWMAGIC - Unofficial Walt Disney World discussion forums

And:

Trip Report - The "Once More Unto The Breach" Trip Report | WDWMAGIC - Unofficial Walt Disney World discussion forums

Never before had I written trip reports but thought it important to write these for those who are considering traveling to WDW during COVID-19.

And once COVID-19 is over, you won't find me writing another trip report.

 

[GoofGoof]

It looks like passengers on the United flight from Orlando to LA where that guy died are looking into the possibility of suing United over not disclosing that the passenger had Covid. The airline is sticking by their legal disclaimer and the fact that the passenger lied on the covid form. I don’t think the case has a lot of legal merit, but in the court of public opinion it’s a whole different ballgame. It’s easy to say that people knew the risk of flying and accepted it, but that‘s not how a lot of people view it. Disney is probably looking at this story closely as there are definitely some parallels to their operating process.

Passengers May Seek Legal Action Against United Airlines After Being Exposed to COVID-19 on Flight That Man Died On

A 69-year-old Los Angeles resident, Isaias Hernandez, died from "acute respiratory failure" after boarding a United Airlines flight filled with passengers.

www.yahoo.com

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It looks like passengers on the United flight from Orlando to LA where that guy died are looking into the possibility of suing United over not disclosing that the passenger had Covid. The airline is sticking by their legal disclaimer and the fact that the passenger lied on the covid form. I don’t think the case has a lot of legal merit, but in the court of public opinion it’s a whole different ballgame. It’s easy to say that people knew the risk of flying and accepted it, but that‘s not how a lot of people view it. Disney is probably looking at this story closely as there are definitely some parallels to their operating process.

Passengers May Seek Legal Action Against United Airlines After Being Exposed to COVID-19 on Flight That Man Died On

A 69-year-old Los Angeles resident, Isaias Hernandez, died from "acute respiratory failure" after boarding a United Airlines flight filled with passengers.

www.yahoo.com

It’s not like United ever gets bad publicity for dragging ticketed passengers off flights or killing dogs.

Not sure how this airline is still in business. Ha.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 121 new reported deaths, along with 1 Non-Florida Resident death.

 

[Disney Experience]

My friend did point out this was an ER doc that surfs and such. I think older than us too (we're early 40s) could be old age lol or nocebo. I figure things you cannot more readily quantify can be as such.

Most of my friends are just reporting arm pain that goes away in 2 days or less. My friend who got Moderna today said a coworker reported fever and chills last night after receiving shot. I assume Moderna as well.

I was convinced I had the placebo at first because I felt nothing for almost 2 hours. I was okay knowing they need placebo and vaccine. Before that I went in thinking it cannot be worse than a tetanus shot if there were any side effects. So maybe I went in more positive than some. I will say the people doing the shots and blood draws at the trial rock. They do it enough that they know how to deal right!

Where do you see these numbers? That doesn't match with what I read about deliveries. I also am not sure a couple of my friends would have qualified if so few were given.

Edit: https://governor.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/governor/media/news-and-media/covid19-update-12152020
Seven hospitals in Ohio received their first vaccine shipments today, bringing the total number of vaccine doses delivered to Ohio over the past two days to 98,475
That was from the 15th. My friend who got theirs today was not on that list of hospitals but was indeed a local hospital. Not affiliated with the local hospital listed. Will check with my OSU friends to see where they went for theirs. I missed your word initially but that was from almost 2 weeks ago. More definitely have been delivered.

Yep first shot was not much for me too. First shot in September only caused arm pain. I was pretty sure I had the real thing, but still knew it might all be in my head.
Second shot, there was no doubt I had the real thing. At first it was just like the first shot, but the next day mild fever, chills, body aches and tiredness. Day after that felt great. Individual results may vary. I had both shots of Pfizer, my wife had both shots of Moderna with similiar results. Her second shot was after mine so she was prepared for the second shot being a bit more in side effects from my results.

When the first people get their second shot in a few weeks that is the one I expect a lot more people getting noticable reactions ( Just the immune system responding which is good)

 

[Kevin_W]

And once COVID-19 is over, you won't find me writing another trip report.

Agree with all your points, based off of our trip, ParentsOf4.

 

[GoofGoof]

It’s not like United ever gets bad publicity for dragging ticketed passengers off flights or killing dogs.

Not sure how this airline is still in business. Ha.

In this case I’m not sure what else United could have done. Maybe not let the flight continue to LA if there was even a chance it was a Covid incident. The blame falls squarely on the people who lied and boarded the flight anyway when ill. I am curious to see if there is ever a follow up story on whether this guy was actually at WDW while in Orlando. Not that it really matters anyway, but I’m just surprised the media hasn’t jumped on that.

 

[correcaminos]

Yep first shot was not much for me too. First shot in September only caused arm pain. I was pretty sure I had the real thing, but still knew it might all be in my head.
Second shot, there was no doubt I had the real thing. At first it was just like the first shot, but the next day mild fever, chills, body aches and tiredness. Day after that felt great. Individual results may vary. I had both shots of Pfizer, my wife had both shots of Moderna with similiar results. Her second shot was after mine so she was prepared for the second shot being a bit more in side effects from my results.

When the first people get their second shot in a few weeks that is the one I expect a lot more people getting noticable reactions ( Just the immune system responding which is good)

Actually my first shot had considerable arm pain once it kicked in after a few hours. The second was just much faster on everything. My arm pain woke me a lot so I won't talk about joint or muscle pain as that happens when I'm tired. Both arm pains were 2 days before fading away. Flu shot as a comparison was just over a day and could sleep through it. Did have a teeny fever once, but never chills. I never have had chills in my life ever and only once ever in my life broke 99 for a fever. I run 97.1 though. I clocked a 98.4 on my 2nd day for 2nd shot for a few hours. But that's still mild. I'll be honest nocebo is real, so the only one I'd have believed was a specific vaccination arm pain. Even then I could be wrong, but it was so specific and comparing it to other recent vaccines it had me more convinced when at first I just knew it was placebo.

The one doc my friend talked about was convinced too so I try not to be as knowing. Then again the doc was a male and could suffer man-nocebo effect lol. Of course we have to realize some have zero or super mild side effects too. It will be hard to know. Like my kid who had HPV a couple weeks ago had burning going in then nothing. Slight pain if touched only. Lucky kid!

My friends getting the BioNTech/Pfizer are reporting arm pain for about 2 days as well. Absolutely nothing else this time. I'll share their updates in the next 2 weeks or so (quite a few vaccinated last week).

Moderna I'll update from friend tomorrow if we chat. Just the one so far, but their coworker ran a fever the night they were vaccinated. My friend will update me though soon. Then again next month.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[_caleb]

However, if you are willing to adjust expectations, then WDW is one of the safer places you can visit right now.

What leads you to believe that WDW is one of the safer places you can visit right now?

 

[Touchdown]

What leads you to believe that WDW is one of the safer places you can visit right now?

Exactly, it is in fact nearly the opposite of safe. You will come into close contact with hundreds of people, many for more then 15 minutes. That man who died on the United flight was supposedly at WDW. I get the wish to go, but it’s too dangerous right now. I will be going later this Winter now that I finally got my first shot of the Moderna vaccine, but I won’t be going until at least 14 days after my second shot so I know I’m protected.

 

[WDWTrojan]

Exactly, it is in fact nearly the opposite of safe. You will come into close contact with hundreds of people, many for more then 15 minutes. That man who died on the United flight was supposedly at WDW. I get the wish to go, but it’s too dangerous right now. I will be going later this Winter now that I finally got my first shot of the Moderna vaccine, but I won’t be going until at least 14 days after my second shot so I know I’m protected.

If you sit outside on a park bench you're probably pretty safe. If you sit inside at a restaurant and ride the now-full-capacity rides, not so much.

 

[Flugell]

Wishing everyone on this forum a Happy Christmas and a better 2021.

 

[Disney Experience]

People with facial fillers noted a reaction when taking Moderna shot. All resolved with minimal care (Steroids, etc.) .

 

[DisneyCane]

If you sit outside on a park bench you're probably pretty safe. If you sit inside at a restaurant and ride the now-full-capacity rides, not so much.

No ride is long enough to qualify for close contact. The queue is distanced and everybody is wearing one of those things that are very important.