Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Overlordkitty]

What's scary is I worked in restaurants while going to school. The staff at times come to work sick and what goes on in a kitchen would make one think twice about eating out.

That's unfortunately pretty standard in the food service industry. There either aren't benefits, or even if there are, there is so much grief given to an employee for calling out.

 

[RustySpork]

I thought it was obvious that that post wasn't talking about sick days. European employees typically have it much better than American employees in almost every way.

I actually don't have to worry about sick days (to an extent) as an attorney at a large firm. As long as I make my billable hours it doesn't really matter how many days I'm in the office.

This is the case for most of us, regardless of industry. We're in a high tech time where unless you do manual labor your job can probably be done remotely, and it should be if you're not well.

 

[RustySpork]

I agree, but there seem to be quite a lot of moronic managers out there -- especially in retail positions, which is the last place people should be coming to work sick.

In my experience, these bad managers don't tend to last long.

Yeah, retail and foodservice are where it's critically important, as customers we can help change that behavior with our feedback and our money.

 

[UNCgolf]

In my experience, these bad managers don't tend to last long.

Yeah, retail and foodservice are where it's critically important, as customers we can help change that behavior with our feedback and our money.

I agree with this too.

It just seems like there is a neverending conveyor belt of new bad managers replacing the old bad ones. Without going into any details for obvious reasons, some of the stuff I see when reviewing corporate emails (as part of discovery) is absolutely unbelievable. Just mindblowingly stupid.

 

[Lilofan]

No doubt there are some expectations there beyond what other western countries demand, but it's not a dire situation that means people can not ever take time off when they're sick. From a risk perspective, you would have to be a complete idiot as a manager to expect a sick employee to report to work.

Blue collar workers that I knew had a probationary period they needed to pass and annual sick time they accrued and use. If they use them all up, workers do come to work sick. That's a fact. If they continue to call out sick, they run the risk of losing their job.

 

[Lilofan]

Regardless of this, it's still a fact that in general, American work culture expects far more from employees than most other Western countries. Less vacation, expectations to answer emails after work hours, etc. at least in any type of white collar corporate position. Blue collar positions have their own separate issues.

Corporate America. Love it or leave it.

 

[RustySpork]

I agree with this too.

It just seems like there is a neverending conveyor belt of new bad managers replacing the old bad ones. Without going into any details for obvious reasons, some of the stuff I see when reviewing corporate emails (as part of discovery) is absolutely unbelievable. Just mindblowingly stupid.

Manager culture.

 

[RustySpork]

Blue collar workers that I knew had a probationary period they needed to pass and annual sick time they accrued and use. If they use them all up, workers do come to work sick. That's a fact. If they continue to call out sick, they run the risk of losing their job.

That's common for normal PTO with new hires, but I'd have a hard time believing there would be a penalty for sick time.

Corporate America. Love it or leave it.

uh .. or change it?

 

[Lilofan]

That's unfortunately pretty standard in the food service industry. There either aren't benefits, or even if there are, there is so much grief given to an employee for calling out.

In the industry, you call out, you don't get paid and run the risk of not meeting your monthly expenses.

 

[RustySpork]

In the industry, you call out, you don't get paid and run the risk of not meeting your monthly expenses.

In that industry they can always get other jobs. Those jobs aren't the only ones on the planet.

 

[UNCgolf]

That's common for normal PTO with new hires, but I'd have a hard time believing there would be a penalty for sick time.

I've seen companies that combine PTO and sick time into one block, and if you're taking sick days, you're also losing out on vacation -- and if you run out of days, well, you're either working sick or you're not getting paid.

You'd hope no one would work somewhere like that, but I suppose there are only so many jobs to go around.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Ok, this is a political thread now. Before someone says this was always a political thread, that's a hard no. Go start a Coronavirus thread in the politics forum because it's getting to be a headache here.

 

[Lilofan]

That's common for normal PTO with new hires, but I'd have a hard time believing there would be a penalty for sick time.



uh .. or change it?

One company I worked with the blue collar group each had 1 week sick pay a year. There was a attendance policy and the guys who continued to call out accumulated points. Too many and lose your job.

 

[RustySpork]

I've seen companies that combine PTO and sick time into one block, and if you're taking sick days, you're also losing out on vacation -- and if you run out of days, well, you're either working sick or you're not getting paid.

I've worked at places where that was the model as well, that's where opportunities to work remotely if possible can help. My advice to those negotiating a position with that model, know that's the model before signing. Negotiate more time if you think you'll need it. It's easier to negotiate more time than more money.

 

[RustySpork]

One company I worked with the blue collar group each had 1 week sick pay a year. There was a attendance policy and the guys who continued to call out accumulated points. Too many and lose your job.

They chose to work there.

 

[Notes from Neverland]

They chose to work there.

This isn't always the case. Sometimes finding a new job can be incredibly difficult. When I was laid off a handful of years back, it took over 200 applications to land a new job. Demand completely outweighs the supply at times.

 

[Lilofan]

Someone injected the Dow Jones and Nasdaq with some antiVirus vaccine. It's climbing back... I hope I didn't jinx it.

 

[RustySpork]

This isn't always the case. Sometimes finding a new job can be incredibly difficult. When I was laid off a handful of years back, it took over 200 applications to land a new job. Demand completely outweighs the supply at times.

Finding a job is always difficult, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

 

[John park hopper]

I have found it is easier to find another job when I have a job already.

 

[wdwmagic]

Please try to stay on topic guys and avoid the political aspects. Feel free to start another thread in the politics section if needed.