Chi84
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Yes except for the last two, which were going to happen anyway.
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_caleb
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What was the % effectiveness that determined whether the candidate was viable? I don’t remember. But great point that if the AstraZeneca effectiveness is lower among a certain population, not all is lost. It may just be deployed for the population that it works/tested better on.
lazyboy97o
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Building on the question of a vaccine requirement, what about a vaccine incentive? What if capacity is increased but it’s reserved for those who have been vaccinated? Or even something less direct like international visitors who need one to enter the country or go home?
Damn, I gotta start losing that quarantine weight and tell my relatives in CA to keep the crazy on the DL for DL.
_caleb
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See, I think Disney is learning from this experience. They’re learning how much (or how little) effect a full fireworks display has on the number of people to come to the parks. What a pain it is to work with actors and equity unions when it’s cheaper and easier to cut live shows in favor of movie preview clip shows and minimum-wage CMs “acting” their parts in Galaxy’s Edge.
I guess I hope I’m wrong, but if Disney realizes that a cavalcade is ”magical enough” for most park guests, I don’t think parades are coming back. At least not parades as they were.
GoofGoof
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People are staying away from the parks right now because it’s a pandemic (especially out of state tourists). Once people have the vaccine and the cases drop many more people will be interested in traveling and going places like WDW. Then it’s up to Disney to decide when to remove restrictions. If they keep all the restrictions in place the parks will probably regularly hit capacity well in advance. I don’t see them doing that though.
As far as shows and entertainment, some things won’t come back, some things will. That’s true with or without a pandemic. I don’t see Disney permanently cutting fireworks or night shows and other entertainment to save money. Why would they? The parks made huge profits with all of those costs around before Covid and there’s no reason to believe they won’t make huge profits again going forward. I don’t think everything comes back immediately, but over a period of time there’s no reason to think it won’t. If something is cut permanently it’s not really related to Covid if the pandemic is gone. Disney cut plenty of things pre-pandemic and will cut more after and things were added in as well. It’s always a changing lineup.
DisneyDebRob
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You may be on to something. All you read about is how people love the pop up cavalcades. I’ve seen numerous videos and they do absolutely nothing for me. I can see your point but hope you are wrong.
Because if people will show up anyway, why wouldn’t they?
When parks and resorts is managed by a spreadsheet, you do whatever the spreadsheet tells you to.
GoofGoof
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The original FDA efficacy requirement was 50% effective. AstraZeneca is well above that in the UK trial.
It was stated a while back that of multiple vaccines are approved they would be distributed based on best use of each one. So for example in rural areas the JnJ vaccine which requires 1 injection and can be stored in a refrigerator may be the preferred option while the deep freeze Pfizer vaccine would be shipped primarily to larger urban sites that can handle the deep freeze and process the large volume of vaccinations needed to ensure the doses don’t spoil once they are thawed. Whichever vaccine shows its safest for children or generates the best immune response in the elderly will be used with those groups more heavily or possibly exclusively. It’s all going to be a balancing act. I do see some sour grapes if someone gets a vaccine that’s less effective, but the reality is they won’t all be exactly the same. AstraZeneca did hit 90% efficacy in that smaller group of under 55 people who got 1.5 doses instead of 2. It’s possible that a less effective vaccine overall can be just as effective if applied to the right demographic group.
Heppenheimer
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I never said or implied that. If that's what I believed, I wouldn't have signed up to be one of the first at my hospital to receive the vaccination. But we're about to enter unchartered territory. Widespread vaccination SHOULD bring the numbers down, but if immunity rapidly fades or if a new strain of the virus emerges that lowers the efficacy of the vaccine, we need to be prepared for that possibility. The end goal must be lower case loads, whether we get there from vaccination, masking, social distancing, quarantines, lockdowns, magic beans, pixie dust or a combination of some or all of the above.
easyrowrdw
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I sure hope you're able to get it ASAP.Interesting, I'm behind 100 peopleand will be getting it asap. Background info: Rhode island resident, Hemodialysis Technician for one of the largest Dialysis units in the country. We take care of 135 patients and running additional shifts to cover Covid positive patients
GoofGoof
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Why didn’t they cut it before Covid? People are not showing up today without that stuff when the parks are capped at 35% capacity and half the hotel rooms are out of service. So I don’t think we can say the same number of people would show up anyway without that stuff. Also, once the pandemic is over it’s going to take months or years for travel to get back to normal. Disney will be competing again with all other forms of travel and leisure. They will need to draw people back. I don’t think they will just come back in the numbers they want or need with a bare bones product.
Disstevefan1
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“Hey Doc, I am going on a cruise next week, can you write something up for me saying I got vaccinated? I’ll pay you whatever and you don’t even need to vaccinate me, I just need that peice of paper saying I am vaccinated”
GoofGoof
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The cavalcades work because the parks were at 25-35% capacity. If you get back to full capacity it’s not going to be the same experience. Plus all those people lined up on Main Street wrong for the parade aren’t in line for other attractions. If you eliminate the people eating parades and night shows the ride waits grow.
danlb_2000
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Hard to make accurte predictions on case reduction when we don't have the data on how well the vaccine prevents transmission.
danlb_2000
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The data on the vaccine shows that it is highly effective in preventing people from getting sick. There is no data yet on how the vaccine impacts transmission.
"This just in. Man becomes critically ill on a cruise from COVID. None of the other passengers, who were all vaccinated, were infected. Investigators discovered the man never received a vaccination, and his doctor's note was fraudulent. Both the man and the doctor are charged with fraud and endangerment of life."
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Heppenheimer
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1) Physicians are, on average, the highest paid profession in the US. Do you really think many people have enough spare cash to make it worth the while of a highly compensated professional to commit medical fraud?
2) It takes two to three mouse clicks to print out a legitimate vaccination record. It takes far more time and effort to write out a fraudulent vaccination claim. Will someone seeing 18-25 patients a day go out of their way to accommodate this request, that could also get them in trouble if caught?
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DisneyDebRob
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Yes, I know all of that and believe parades and fireworks will come back. I just have this nagging feeling.. if you remember back to when the nighttime parade was cut. Tons of backlash with the promise from Disney that it’s a temporary thing. It’s been years and nothing and the crowds pour in. Other things also. So I don’t put it out of the realm of being done.
Kids want to see Mickey.. so parents will take them no matter how many parades or fireworks are going.
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