danlb_2000
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There has been so much talk of emergency approval, I haven't seen much discussion how how we get to full FDA approval.
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There has been so much talk of emergency approval, I haven't seen much discussion how how we get to full FDA approval.
Kevin_W
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I'm in front of you! I have 15 people behind me.
I'm confused as to why they have children in front though...I thought I read they'd be last to get (if no underlying conditions).
My sister-in-law plugged in her data and was behind 12.7 million people in our state. There aren't 12.7 million people in our state.
DisneyDebRob
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Good article on the problems of distribution and the like. So many variables with states not knowing how much they are getting.. whether will have the staff etc. Like Hawaii quoting Mike Tyson.. “ We all have a plan until you get punched in the face”.
Getting a vaccine has been a huge undertaking. How all 50 states scramble to dole them out is the next massive challenge.
A USA TODAY survey finds most states are ready to distribute a coronavirus vaccine to health care workers but maybe not all who are next in line.
www.usatoday.com
GoofGoof
Premium Member
It’s simple. Disney is a major employer in the area. Once the vaccine is readily available to anyone who wants it they would probably be able to get a vaccination clinic setup on site for any workers who aren’t already vaccinated. This won’t happen in February but July/August seems reasonable. If Disney wants to pull back on Covid restrictions (and they definitely do) this summer they will need to ensure all the CMs are vaccinated as step 1. They agreed with the unions to require masks, capacity limits and distancing in order to bring back workers. All that can‘t end if the employees aren’t safe. If they have all been vaccinated then problem solved.
Chi84
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They’ll never get the attendance they need making people wear masks. This board is composed of Disney die-hards who visit frequently and will overlook some annoyances. But first time visitors and those guests taking that one in a lifetime trip aren’t going to pay Disney prices knowing they will be inconvenienced by having to wear masks in the Florida heat and humidity. And Disney relies heavily on those guests. Just my opinion.
And the many regular people who see mask wearing as a norm or necessary evil?
Vaccine “passports” are gaining traction. They could be a route to a quicker near norm. In the meantime mask requirement is currently seen as lasting another year or so.
In the meantime here’s a snapshot of another key day of this crazy, mad, sad and unprecedented year:
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I did see an article somewhere that said they won’t vaccinate healthy adults not at high risk or children under the emergency use authorization. They expect that between essential workers, elderly people and adults with underlying health issues the EUA will cover at least 150M Americans. The expectation is the FDA will need 6 months of trial data plus additional data from the millions vaccinated under EUA to consider full authorization and even then it may just be a more relaxed extension of EUA that includes additional people as opposed to full, unrestricted approval. That won’t happen until around April timeframe so I think that’s why some of the government officials like Fauci and the warp speed guys reference starting to vaccinate the general population in April with anyone who wants a vaccine going by June.
GoofGoof
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I think it depends on how fast we roll out the vaccine and how many people get it. If we get 80% of the population vaccinated with a 90%+ effective vaccine by June it’s conceivable that masks could be gone sooner than a year from now. I do think distancing and capacity limits get relaxed first with masks the last thing to go, but if cases drop fast enough and stay low it’s possible masks at WDW could be gone quicker. May 1 is not a realistic timeframe, but summer 2021 is maybe doable with fall as the realistic target.
Chi84
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No, I have no problem with people who want mask-wearing as a norm or a necessary evil - it may be just that for many people who are particularly vulnerable. Heck, I've sat next to people hacking and sneezing away on a plane and never once thought of the possibility of protecting myself with a mask. Now I'll be sure to have one handy.
But mask-wearing as a requirement or mandate should be dropped as soon as an effective vaccine is available to all. Then the ones who want to protect themselves can get the vaccine and the others can wear masks. No one knows right now when that will happen, but it makes no sense for vaccinated people to be forced to wear masks so I believe the requirement will not last much longer. Apparently, the president-elect agrees.
_caleb
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I don’t know. Seems like people will suffer an inconvenience in order to get what they want. Walmart requires masks and they seem to be doing just fine. What we need are people willing to suffer inconvenience for the sake of others.
And what attendance do they need? Do you mean “the attendance they need in order to go back to the way things were?” I don‘t think Disney actually wants to go back to the way things were. They’re treating all this as an opportunity to streamline, cut costs, and further limit what a guest can expect for the price of a ticket to the park.
I'm also behind 268.7 million people nationwide, but based on county, I'm just behind 1.8 million others. Yay for NYC?
Opinion | Find Your Place in the Vaccine Line (Published 2020)
See when you might be able to get a shot.www.nytimes.com
I'm behind 268.7 million people. I'm ahead of only three people in the little graphic.
Chi84
Premium Member
There's a difference between going to Walmart and taking a $10,000+ trip to Disney. Also, the sake of others will be covered if you get a vaccine.
You seem to have a pessimistic view of Disney's outlook and I've found there's no winning arguing against that type of thinking. I disagree, so let's leave it at that.
Mask wearing primarily protects others from you. Not you from others.
GoofGoof
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Disney would love for it to be safe enough to remove all the restrictions. No amount of cost cutting is going to replace the revenues lost from lack of larger crowds. If they can remove distancing on rides and in queues that opens the door for the removal of capacity limits on the parks and also allows them to bring back people eating shows and full restaurants. Once that happens even if they still require masks the crowds will return. Not pre-pandemic crowds but big enough to make an actual profit. I think they will take an iterative approach where they pull back on restrictions gradually with a focus on removing the ones causing the most harm to business first. As we get into July/Aug and the extreme summer heat masks start to become a bigger problem again. Only time will tell if cases drop enough to pull back further.
Chi84
Premium Member
Yes, this is true. And when nearly everyone is protected by a vaccine, there will be no need for them. Instead of being protected by my mask, others will be 95% protected by their vaccine. You may disagree, but I don't see mask-wearing as lasting much longer.
It would be nice if you were right.
"New results on a possible COVID-19 vaccine from Oxford University and AstraZeneca suggest it is safe and about 70% effective, but questions remain about how well it may help protect those over 55 — a key concern for a vaccine that health officials hope to rely on around the world because of its low cost, availability and ease of use.
Still, experts say the vaccine seems likely to be approved, despite some confusion in the results and lower levels of protection than what other vaccine candidates have shown.
“What we can see looks reasonable, but it’s a bit more complicated than what we’ve seen so far,” said Dr. Buddy Creech, a Vanderbilt University researcher helping to test two other vaccines. “If this had been the first report out, the field would have still been excited to have a vaccine.”
"The medical journal Lancet on Tuesday published partial results from tests of the vaccine in the United Kingdom, Brazil and South Africa — safety results on 23,745 participants and protection levels on 11,636.
They’re hard to interpret because a mistake led some participants to get a half dose followed by a full one rather than two full doses as intended.
Researchers claim the vaccine protected against disease in 62% of those given two full doses and in 90% of those initially given the half dose. However, independent experts have said the second group was too small — 2,741 people — to judge the possible value of that approach and that more testing is needed.
The half-dose group also didn’t include anyone over 55, and among others in the study, only about 20% were in that age group.
It’s unclear if the results will be enough to lead regulators in the United Kingdom and elsewhere to approve its use right away.
“We have no safety concerns about the vaccine,” with no hospitalizations or severe disease among those who received it, and results from all study locations consistently showing benefit, said one study leader, Oxford’s Andrew Pollard.
“The only way we get the pandemic behind us is if we get doses of vaccine out there,” he said.
AstraZeneca’s Mene Pangalos called the results “very compelling” and said they “clearly show we have an effective vaccine” that meets criteria for approval around the world. “I really believe this vaccine will have a big impact on the pandemic,” he said."
apnews.com
Still, experts say the vaccine seems likely to be approved, despite some confusion in the results and lower levels of protection than what other vaccine candidates have shown.
“What we can see looks reasonable, but it’s a bit more complicated than what we’ve seen so far,” said Dr. Buddy Creech, a Vanderbilt University researcher helping to test two other vaccines. “If this had been the first report out, the field would have still been excited to have a vaccine.”
"The medical journal Lancet on Tuesday published partial results from tests of the vaccine in the United Kingdom, Brazil and South Africa — safety results on 23,745 participants and protection levels on 11,636.
They’re hard to interpret because a mistake led some participants to get a half dose followed by a full one rather than two full doses as intended.
Researchers claim the vaccine protected against disease in 62% of those given two full doses and in 90% of those initially given the half dose. However, independent experts have said the second group was too small — 2,741 people — to judge the possible value of that approach and that more testing is needed.
The half-dose group also didn’t include anyone over 55, and among others in the study, only about 20% were in that age group.
It’s unclear if the results will be enough to lead regulators in the United Kingdom and elsewhere to approve its use right away.
“We have no safety concerns about the vaccine,” with no hospitalizations or severe disease among those who received it, and results from all study locations consistently showing benefit, said one study leader, Oxford’s Andrew Pollard.
“The only way we get the pandemic behind us is if we get doses of vaccine out there,” he said.
AstraZeneca’s Mene Pangalos called the results “very compelling” and said they “clearly show we have an effective vaccine” that meets criteria for approval around the world. “I really believe this vaccine will have a big impact on the pandemic,” he said."
Studies suggest AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine safe, effective
New results on a possible COVID-19 vaccine from Oxford University and AstraZeneca suggest it is safe and about 70% effective, but questions remain about how well it may help protect those over 55 — a key concern for a vaccine that health officials hope to rely on around the world because of its low
apnews.com
MK and DHS look super crowded to me right now (despite opinions to the contrary... I know, everyone's in line, yada yada that spill into the street but whatevs) so, COVID aside, I still wouldn't travel there at this time. I'm an early December/late-January/early-Feb traveler and historically I haven't dealt with heavy crowds (despite opinions to the contrary). I'll just say it again... despite opinions to the contrary.
hopemax
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I am apparently at "death's door." I'm only behind 23 million people and only 35,000 people in my county.Opinion | Find Your Place in the Vaccine Line (Published 2020)
See when you might be able to get a shot.
I'm behind 268.7 million people. I'm ahead of only three people in the little graphic.
Changing COVID-related health risks to No puts me down to 268.7 million, but I do have 3 risk factors, so I guess they are finally good for something.
Supertech65
Active Member
Interesting, I'm behind 100 peopleOpinion | Find Your Place in the Vaccine Line (Published 2020)
See when you might be able to get a shot.
I'm behind 268.7 million people. I'm ahead of only three people in the little graphic.
and will be getting it asap. Background info: Rhode island resident, Hemodialysis Technician for one of the largest Dialysis units in the country. We take care of 135 patients and running additional shifts to cover Covid positive patients
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