Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

One of them, I don't remember which one, already said that for their initial batch, there was an issue. A problem with the quality of product delivered by their original supplier, and so they had to roll back estimates of how many they could initially deliver. They say now they are on track with a new supplier, but is it something that the remaining vaccines that aren't as far along may have to negotiate.

I also wonder, at what point do smaller countries start making noise about how many doses they are getting. I think Canada has already started agitating. So will the flow to the US slow down a little, after the high risk group to be a good global citizen?

Astra Zeneca I believe

 

[GoofGoof]

It is just for the Pfizer and the Moderna. People did comment about the AZ, J&J and Novovax as possible in first quarter. But how many chickens are we supposed to count while we are planning our Post pandemic life to start in May?

It’s not about counting chickens. It was a simple statement that if more vaccines are approved the timeline will decrease. In other words even if that timeline is one that someone estimates it doesn’t mean its locked in stone. It could be much faster or there could be catastrophic delays and it takes even longer. I think the warp speed guys are probably being overly optimistic in saying everyone who wants a vaccine in the US will have one by June but there‘s a long time between June and January 2022.

Even Fauci has been quoted to say he thinks that healthy adults in the US should begin getting the vaccine by April or sooner and be vaccinated in April/May/June in this article:

Dr. Anthony Fauci Says Widespread Vaccine Use Could Reopen Broadway By Fall 2021

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, says widespread, national use of an efficacious vaccine this spring and early summer could allow Broadway to retake the stage by late summer or early fall. In an interview with NBC New York’s David Ushery...

deadline.com

 

[hopemax]

Astra Zeneca I believe

I looked it up, it was Pfizer. Although, they are all talking about the lipid nanoparticles (there are so many new things to learn in 2020).

Supply-Chain Obstacles Led to Last Month’s Cut to Pfizer’s Covid-19 Vaccine-Rollout Target

Pfizer and partner BioNTech had hoped to roll out 100 million vaccines world-wide by the end of this year, a plan that was reduced to 50 million last month, highlighting the challenges drug makers face in rapidly building supply chains to meet the high demand.

www.wsj.com

It’s not about counting chickens. It was a simple statement that if more vaccines are approved the timeline will decrease. In other words even if that timeline is one that someone estimates it doesn’t mean its locked in stone. It could be much faster or there could be catastrophic delays and it takes even longer. I think the warp speed guys are probably being overly optimistic in saying everyone who wants a vaccine in the US will have one by June but there‘s a long time between June and January 2022.

Even Fauci has been quoted to say he thinks that healthy adults in the US should begin getting the vaccine by April or sooner and be vaccinated in April/May/June in this article:

Dr. Anthony Fauci Says Widespread Vaccine Use Could Reopen Broadway By Fall 2021

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, says widespread, national use of an efficacious vaccine this spring and early summer could allow Broadway to retake the stage by late summer or early fall. In an interview with NBC New York’s David Ushery...

deadline.com

I think you misread the chart. Jan 2022 is for the entire 330 million population, which we aren't going to get. We don't need to wait that long. The herd immunity line is September. The transition from high risk to healthy beginning of May.

 

[GoofGoof]

One of them, I don't remember which one, already said that for their initial batch, there was an issue. A problem with the quality of product delivered by their original supplier, and so they had to roll back estimates of how many they could initially deliver. They say now they are on track with a new supplier, but is it something that the remaining vaccines that aren't as far along may have to negotiate.

I also wonder, at what point do smaller countries start making noise about how many doses they are getting. I think Canada has already started agitating. So will the flow to the US slow down a little, after the high risk group to be a good global citizen?

Astra Zeneca I believe

It was Pfizer. They cut their worldwide production target for 2020 from 100 million to 50 million doses due to a supply chain issue around a raw material that didn’t meet specifications. They corrected the issue but won’t have enough time to make up the shortfall. The didn’t specify if this was an issue in the US facilities or the one in Belgium. They did reaffirm that their target number of doses by the end of 2021 did not change as they will make up the late 50 million doses in 2021.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer...s-11607027787?reflink=desktopwebshare_twitter

 

[danlb_2000]

I looked it up, it was Pfizer. Although, they are all talking about the lipid nanoparticles (there are so many new things to learn in 2020).

Supply-Chain Obstacles Led to Last Month’s Cut to Pfizer’s Covid-19 Vaccine-Rollout Target

Pfizer and partner BioNTech had hoped to roll out 100 million vaccines world-wide by the end of this year, a plan that was reduced to 50 million last month, highlighting the challenges drug makers face in rapidly building supply chains to meet the high demand.

www.wsj.com

I think you misread the chart. Jan 2022 is for the entire 330 million population, which we aren't going to get. We don't need to wait that long. The herd immunity line is September. The transition from high risk to healthy beginning of May.

I hate to be pessimistic, but I would double any times that are predicted at this point.

 

[GoofGoof]

I hate to be pessimistic, but I would double and times that are predicted at this point.

...and that’s just manufacturing issues. We still have to worry about distribution as well. There are going to be issues. Anyone who thought it was all going to get off without a hitch was kidding themselves. I think that’s why there’s strength in numbers. The more options available the better.

 

[willtravel]

Wall Street and finance workers could get COVID vaccines before most Americans - MarketWatch

 

[GoofGoof]

Wall Street and finance workers could get COVID vaccines before most Americans - MarketWatch

Interesting. I still think it makes most sense to have a limited number of essential workers like first responders in that second group, but I’d think you get more bang for your buck going with 65+ and people with conditions that put them at higher risk of serious Covid complications. Then once you start healthy adults under 65 it’s fair game to do it by profession or age or however they see fit.

 

[willtravel]

Interesting. I still think it makes most sense to have a limited number of essential workers like first responders in that second group, but I’d think you get more bang for your buck going with 65+ and people with conditions that put them at higher risk of serious Covid complications. Then once you start healthy adults under 65 it’s fair game to do it by profession or age or however they see fit.

I have 3 different banks and all 3 are closed up (lobby) unless you make an appointment. The drive thru is a tell tell sign of what people are doing here. This really got me.

But after them, essential workers, a category that could include those working in parts of the financial-services business, are recommended to stand second in line, ahead of those age 65 and older and adults with medical issues that could lead to severe illness should they contract COVID-19.

I think it is going to get ugly with who should be categorized essential.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I hate to be pessimistic, but I would double and times that are predicted at this point.

...and that’s just manufacturing issues. We still have to worry about distribution as well. There are going to be issues. Anyone who thought it was all going to get off without a hitch was kidding themselves. I think that’s why there’s strength in numbers. The more options available the better.

This was never gonna be quick or easy...planning was key and it wasn’t done. If you think I’m suggesting something/one...it’s because I am.

Wall Street and finance workers could get COVID vaccines before most Americans - MarketWatch

That’s horse____...to be honest. Wall Street got 7 TRILLION dollars to protect their largess...both during and even BEFORE the covid strike (look it up)...they’ve been served. Their paying more each day for shares of companies who are doing less and a new class of paupers is being injected into the actual society as fallout.

When the pigs get to fat...you start thinking bacon.

 

[BrianLo]

It's strange how apathetic everyone has become to these numbers, or maybe there is just suddenly less denial of reality? This would have stoked pages and pages of back and forth in the summer.

Sources that report later in the day already have the 7 day rolling average of deaths above 2K. Something we only saw at the very worst of the Spring Peak.

Quietly the herd immunity without vaccination debate has now been settled. I hate to mention the "S" word (hint it's a country), because the USA policy is so much more soft these days. Even 'that place', which reports its deaths in a back-dated manner, has already risen to 50% of its former peak for deaths and climbing.

To the surprise of not me, this is playing out exactly like the majority of experts said it would - and yet it feels like no one actually wants to do anything about it anymore.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

It's strange how apathetic everyone has become to these numbers, or maybe there is just suddenly less denial of reality? This would have stoked pages and pages of back and forth in the summer.

Sources that report later in the day already have the 7 day rolling average of deaths above 2K. Something we only saw at the very worst of the Spring Peak.

Quietly the herd immunity without vaccination debate has now been settled. I hate to mention the "S" word (hint it's a country), because the USA policy is so much more soft these days. Even 'that place', which reports its deaths in a back-dated manner, has already risen to 50% of its former peak for deaths and climbing.

To the surprise of not me, this is playing out exactly like the majority of experts said it would - and yet it feels like no one actually wants to do anything about it anymore.

I actually said the phrase "only 2500 deaths today" when I saw this.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

To the surprise of not me, this is playing out exactly like the majority of experts said it would - and yet it feels like no one actually wants to do anything about it anymore.

Agreed.

People will shout “freedom” “draconian measures” and “but think of the children!” Until the end.

 

[GoofGoof]

I actually said the phrase "only 2500 deaths today" when I saw this.

It’s no longer factual to say a person is dying every minute in this country from Covid...it’s now a person is dying from Covid every 34 seconds

 

[techgeek]

t's strange how apathetic everyone has become to these numbers, or maybe there is just suddenly less denial of reality? This would have stoked pages and pages of back and forth in the summer.

As you say, we’ve already spent those pages and those arguments, time and time again.

It’s not apathy, for me at least... but it is resignation. It is what it is. The mechanics of the way the numbers work dictate that today’s numbers only represent a die that has long been cast - and we already largely know what numbers will land face up, it’s just a matter of watching them tumble.

One of the most frustrating things about this since the beginning is that every action takes a month or more to play out.

 

[Lilofan]

Kudos to to Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings. The former Orlando police chief is taking matters into his own hands. He is going to start fining Orange County businesses up to $5K per day who do not enforce the mask policy.

 

[drizgirl]

I exaggerated. They are merely tripling the premium.

So hyperbole as I thought.

Tripling doesn't say anything without knowing what the starting point is.

Society is not invalidating coverage for people engaging in other costly high risk activities, so no, I don't think it's appropriate with Covid. Especially since there's no way of knowing for sure how anyone caught it.

 

[danlb_2000]

Wall Street and finance workers could get COVID vaccines before most Americans - MarketWatch

If you are going to give the vaccine to essential workers it should go to workers in places like supermarkets before banks, since it is much easier to keep bank employees safe the supermarket workers. A lot of bank work can be done through a drive in teller.

 

[danlb_2000]

It's strange how apathetic everyone has become to these numbers, or maybe there is just suddenly less denial of reality? This would have stoked pages and pages of back and forth in the summer.

Sources that report later in the day already have the 7 day rolling average of deaths above 2K. Something we only saw at the very worst of the Spring Peak.

Quietly the herd immunity without vaccination debate has now been settled. I hate to mention the "S" word (hint it's a country), because the USA policy is so much more soft these days. Even 'that place', which reports its deaths in a back-dated manner, has already risen to 50% of its former peak for deaths and climbing.

To the surprise of not me, this is playing out exactly like the majority of experts said it would - and yet it feels like no one actually wants to do anything about it anymore.

As I have said before, most people will do absolutely anything they need to do to get the pandemic under control, as long as those things don't require them to change any facet of their behavior.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's strange how apathetic everyone has become to these numbers, or maybe there is just suddenly less denial of reality? This would have stoked pages and pages of back and forth in the summer.

Sources that report later in the day already have the 7 day rolling average of deaths above 2K. Something we only saw at the very worst of the Spring Peak.

Quietly the herd immunity without vaccination debate has now been settled. I hate to mention the "S" word (hint it's a country), because the USA policy is so much more soft these days. Even 'that place', which reports its deaths in a back-dated manner, has already risen to 50% of its former peak for deaths and climbing.

To the surprise of not me, this is playing out exactly like the majority of experts said it would - and yet it feels like no one actually wants to do anything about it anymore.

It’s no longer factual to say a person is dying every minute in this country from Covid...it’s now a person is dying from Covid every 34 seconds

People are now in the mode (not everyone...but it seems a majority) where they now only will alter their behavior if someone directly in their sphere gets very ill or dies. But none of them will admit it. They do what they want - perhaps with a disposable mask - and feel that a distressed medical system will save them IF something happens.

Kudos to to Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings. The former Orlando police chief is taking matters into his own hands. He is going to start fining Orange County businesses up to $5K per day who do not enforce the mask policy.

He’s gonna be ridiculed/scoffed at by his “leader”...just wait for it. Even though precautions/control are absolutely in the best interests of the OC’s biggest business interests. It’s not even debatable.