Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

The issue is not with Florida but why NY and NJ have restrictions on their residents visiting states with lower Covid19 cases than they have, especially states where you spend more time outdoors, than those who visit Pennsylvania. It is clearly more dangerous in Pennsylvania than Florida since Pennsylvania have 54.5% more cases per 100,000 than Florida. The entire quarantine process is a joke and the way it is setup isn't even using science, since anyone can travel between Pennsylvania, New York and New Jersey. Use the numbers you want but don't differentiate between states, be consistent. Anyone should be allowed to take a vacation in a state with a lower Covid19 rate than the state they live in, provided they follow safety protocols of 6 feet distancing and mask wearing, which is being enforced at WDW and Universal.

Because the governors of NY, PA and NJ are democrats, and the governor of Florida is a republican.

 

[Heppenheimer]

The issue is not with Florida but why NY and NJ have restrictions on their residents visiting states with lower Covid19 cases than they have, especially states where you spend more time outdoors, than those who visit Pennsylvania. It is clearly more dangerous in Pennsylvania than Florida since Pennsylvania have 54.5% more cases per 100,000 than Florida. The entire quarantine process is a joke and the way it is setup isn't even using science, since anyone can travel between Pennsylvania, New York and New Jersey. Use the numbers you want but don't differentiate between states, be consistent. Anyone should be allowed to take a vacation in a state with a lower Covid19 rate than the state they live in, provided they follow safety protocols of 6 feet distancing and mask wearing, which is being enforced at WDW and Universal.

Because these are all bordering states with highly interconnected economies and supply chains, many people probably live in one state and work, or at least, have significant business in another. They have bread and butter reasons to go back and forth.

Much, much fewer people from these states have a compelling excuse to visit Florida right now. NOBODY anywhere should be making non-essential travel for the time being.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Maybe your issue, I was at the beach yesterday.....

No, the issue is people don’t feel safe, whether they are right in their feelings or not. I’m not talking about Disney l, they seem to have safety at the forefront. Maybe not as much anymore with some of the videos and pictures I’ve seen since upping capacity, but with just knowing a governor saying we have no restrictions, come visit. Most want to see masked enforced I believe inside and want to see the distancing but the feeling is it’s not happening in Florida. It’s a mindset.. hear leaders say everything is open and no worries.. then see pics of the crowds, makes most uncomfortable. As I said, whether it’s wRranted or not.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Maybe your issue, I was at the beach yesterday.....

Whoops, quoted your post instead of this one.. my apologies

The issue is not with Florida but why NY and NJ have restrictions on their residents visiting states with lower Covid19 cases than they have, especially states where you spend more time outdoors, than those who visit Pennsylvania. It is clearly more dangerous in Pennsylvania than Florida since Pennsylvania have 54.5% more cases per 100,000 than Florida. The entire quarantine process is a joke and the way it is setup isn't even using science, since anyone can travel between Pennsylvania, New York and New Jersey. Use the numbers you want but don't differentiate between states, be consistent. Anyone should be allowed to take a vacation in a state with a lower Covid19 rate than the state they live in, provided they follow safety protocols of 6 feet distancing and mask wearing, which is being enforced at WDW and Universal.

 

[Kevin_W]

I thought this was somewhat amusing:

 

[seascape]

NOBODY SHOULD BE TRAVELING ANYWHERE RIGHT NOW.

New York's Governor Cuomo has no problem with people traveling between NY, NJ, CT and PA. There is nothing complicated about that. So why is he opposing residents from visiting their own homes in areas with less Covid19? You can say no one should travel, but if I were to visit my condo in Florida where the infection rate is lower than New York. I am forced to quarantine. To make it even worse, I have antibodies and that doesn't matter. Please, have restrictions but make them reasonable and based on science and safety.

 

[giantgolfer]

New York's Governor Cuomo has no problem with people traveling between NY, NJ, CT and PA. There is nothing complicated about that. So why is he opposing residents from visiting their own homes in areas with less Covid19? You can say no one should travel, but if I were to visit my condo in Florida where the infection rate is lower than New York. I am forced to quarantine. To make it even worse, I have antibodies and that doesn't matter. Please, have restrictions but make them reasonable and based on science and safety.

You can’t restrict people from traveling to work. A lot of people live in NY/NJ/PA/CT but work in another state.

I’m one of them.

 

[Jrb1979]

New York's Governor Cuomo has no problem with people traveling between NY, NJ, CT and PA. There is nothing complicated about that. So why is he opposing residents from visiting their own homes in areas with less Covid19? You can say no one should travel, but if I were to visit my condo in Florida where the infection rate is lower than New York. I am forced to quarantine. To make it even worse, I have antibodies and that doesn't matter. Please, have restrictions but make them reasonable and based on science and safety.

As stated before a lot of people travel between those 4 states for work and you can't stop people from working or essential travel. Going to Florida for a vacation is non essential right now.

If think having more people visit Disney will magically bring all the CM's back you are dreaming. They have been wanting to cut a lot of what was cut from a long while.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

You can’t restrict people from traveling to work. A lot of people live in NY/NJ/PA/CT but work in another state.

I’m one of them.

My wife was also until Covid took her job. Numerous people in the NE do it.

 

[seascape]

You can’t restrict people from traveling to work. A lot of people live in NY/NJ/PA/CT but work in another state.

I’m one of them.

It is not just for work. People are going to Pennsylvania for vaccinations too. The Poconos, Hershey area and others. People from Pennsylvania are coming to Geeat Adventure and people are visiting the Catskills and Adirondack in New York. If you wanted to put a work exception that could be done but I am talking about vacation and that should be based on science. Plus why shouldn't travel restrictions include in state residents? It should not be that hard for NY to implement that because they already track micro clusters.

 

[drizgirl]

If you are going to give the vaccine to essential workers it should go to workers in places like supermarkets before banks, since it is much easier to keep bank employees safe the supermarket workers. A lot of bank work can be done through a drive in teller.

Bank lobbies never even reopened here.

 

[giantgolfer]

Bank lobbies never even reopened here.

I didn’t think walking into a bank was even a thing anymore. People still need to walk into banks?

 

[GoofGoof]

If having lots of restrictions put on everyone is thr solution to the Covid19 nightmare, why does Florida have less cases than New York. According to the NY Times Florida has 40 cases per 100,000 and New York has 41.4. New Jersey is even worse with 48.6 per 100,00 and Pennsylvania at 61.8 per 100,000. Given those numbers in Northern states why can't their residents visit Florida, where science says it is safer, and not return without having to quarantine?

Travel leads to more spread no matter where you go (except maybe New Zealand). It’s not like FL is doing good. The daily cases are approaching 10K a day and that’s the level we were at this summer where bars were closed and localities started pulling way back. So just because there are more cases in NY than FL doesn‘t mean someone from NY is safe to go to FL because of that. When you travel you have to get to the airport, wait in security, fly on the plane, get to a hotel, stay in that hotel for a period of time, eat most or all of your meals out, do whatever it is you came to do (WDW as an example for this crowd) and then do the travel part all over again going back. That’s a lot of interaction with strangers in high risk environments like restaurants and also indoor area like airports that are crowded and difficult to distance. If that same NYer stayed home they would spend the majority of their time eating and sleeping at home and may go out for some limited exposure to strangers, but nothing near the level they would have of traveling. So it’s not just if my cases are higher than yours it’s safe to travel. Travel in general is not a good idea when cases are so high across the country.

 

[drizgirl]

I didn’t think walking into a bank was even a thing anymore. People still need to walk into banks?

When they don't allow the full range of transactions at the window it is.

It's one of the reasons there's a nationwide coin shortage.

 

[danlb_2000]

It is not just for work. People are going to Pennsylvania for vaccinations too. The Poconos, Hershey area and others. People from Pennsylvania are coming to Geeat Adventure and people are visiting the Catskills and Adirondack in New York. If you wanted to put a work exception that could be done but I am talking about vacation and that should be based on science. Plus why shouldn't travel restrictions include in state residents? It should not be that hard for NY to implement that because they already track micro clusters.

I think it comes down to which restrictions are practical and which ones aren't. Back in the early days of the lock down I often saw the complaint, "if it's safe to shop in Walmart why isn't it safe to shop in a small business", which missed the point that it was a question of one being safer then another, but that it's impractical to shut down businesses that carry essential products. Same here. Ideally they would restrict travel to all states, and the north eastern states did at one point, but they found there was some much need for people to travel between these states that it just wasn't practical to do that.

 

[GoofGoof]

The reason I picked those 3 states is because they all have no restrictions on travel between their boarders. I am sure anyone would say if it is fine to travel from Pennsylvania to New York where it is more dangerous with 54.5% more Covid19 cases per 100,00 than Florida why can't peoppe from NY and NJ visit Florida? Facts are facts and that is an important question. BTW Florida is not quarantining out of state visitors, it's NY, NJ and PA that are quarantining people of their return from Florida.

That’s actually not true. PA‘s travel restrictions say if you leave the state to go anywhere you have to quarantine and that includes NY and NJ so your facts are alternate facts. It’s not some political policy attempting to punish FL. The CDC is recommending people avoid non-essential travel through the holidays. These states are following through on that recommendation.

Latest Guidance At A Glance​

• The Secretary of Health issued an order requiring travelers over age 11 entering Pennsylvania from locations outside the Commonwealth, including Pennsylvanians who are returning home from locations outside the Commonwealth, to produce evidence of a negative COVID-19 test or place themselves in quarantine for 10 days without testing or a 7-day quarantine with a negative test on or after day 5 of quarantine.
• If someone cannot get a test or chooses not to, they must quarantine for 10 days upon arrival in Pennsylvania.
• This does NOT apply to:
  • Individuals traveling to and from the Commonwealth for the purposes of work.
  • Individuals who are returning to the Commonwealth after traveling outside the Commonwealth for less than 24 hours.
  • Individuals traveling to and from the Commonwealth for medical reasons, including individuals providing comfort and support to a patient.
  • Military personnel traveling to the Commonwealth by order or directive of a state or Federal military authority.
  • Individuals in transit through the Commonwealth to another destination, provided that the time spent in the Commonwealth is only the amount of time necessary to complete the transit, make use of travel services, such as a highway rest stop, or make necessary travel connections.
  • Individuals traveling to comply with a court order, such as child custody, or other exemptions issued by guidance.

 

[GoofGoof]

It is not just for work. People are going to Pennsylvania for vaccinations too. The Poconos, Hershey area and others. People from Pennsylvania are coming to Geeat Adventure and people are visiting the Catskills and Adirondack in New York. If you wanted to put a work exception that could be done but I am talking about vacation and that should be based on science. Plus why shouldn't travel restrictions include in state residents? It should not be that hard for NY to implement that because they already track micro clusters.

There are a ton of hospitals in the Philly area and a ton of nurses and doctors who live in the NJ suburbs and work in those hospitals. They aren’t going to restrict those people from going to work. If you come to PA from another state for a vacation right now you have to quarantine. There is a work exception that allows people to continue working. There’s a big difference between traveling to another state for work or to go to a doctor’s visit at a hospital or something short term and going somewhere on vacation. That recent list of the 5 most likely public place to be infected included restaurants, bars, cafes and hotels which are all places you are more likely to visit while traveling on vacation.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

When they don't allow the full range of transactions at the window it is.

It's one of the reasons there's a nationwide coin shortage.

Round up and have it all go to charity. Done.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If you are going to give the vaccine to essential workers it should go to workers in places like supermarkets before banks, since it is much easier to keep bank employees safe the supermarket workers. A lot of bank work can be done through a drive in teller.

I think it is a bit of a chicken and egg thing. Do you inoculate those over 65 or those with whom they interact who also interact with others? I imagine it is those who are older who more often use in-person banking services. There is also the specific mention of rural branches where access to online banking is more constrained.

 

[drizgirl]

Round up and have it all go to charity. Done.

We do our share of that. And while I don't personally have a pile of change, my college student does, and I don't expect her to donate all her change.

We need to stop making assumptions about what everyone can or should do.