Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's strange how apathetic everyone has become to these numbers, or maybe there is just suddenly less denial of reality? This would have stoked pages and pages of back and forth in the summer.

Sources that report later in the day already have the 7 day rolling average of deaths above 2K. Something we only saw at the very worst of the Spring Peak.

Quietly the herd immunity without vaccination debate has now been settled. I hate to mention the "S" word (hint it's a country), because the USA policy is so much more soft these days. Even 'that place', which reports its deaths in a back-dated manner, has already risen to 50% of its former peak for deaths and climbing.

To the surprise of not me, this is playing out exactly like the majority of experts said it would - and yet it feels like no one actually wants to do anything about it anymore.

It’s no longer factual to say a person is dying every minute in this country from Covid...it’s now a person is dying from Covid every 34 seconds

People are now in the mode (not everyone...but it seems a majority) where they now only will alter their behavior if someone directly in their sphere gets very ill or dies. But none of them will admit it. They do what they want - perhaps with a disposable mask - and feel that a distressed medical system will save them IF something happens.

Kudos to to Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings. The former Orlando police chief is taking matters into his own hands. He is going to start fining Orange County businesses up to $5K per day who do not enforce the mask policy.

He’s gonna be ridiculed/scoffed at by his “leader”...just wait for it. Even though precautions/control are absolutely in the best interests of the OC’s biggest business interests. It’s not even debatable.

 

[_caleb]

So hyperbole as I thought.

Tripling doesn't say anything without knowing what the starting point is.

Society is not invalidating coverage for people engaging in other costly high risk activities, so no, I don't think it's appropriate with Covid. Especially since there's no way of knowing for sure how anyone caught it.

Contact tracing is a way to know for sure how someone caught it.

 

[_caleb]

If you are going to give the vaccine to essential workers it should go to workers in places like supermarkets before banks, since it is much easier to keep bank employees safe the supermarket workers. A lot of bank work can be done through a drive in teller.

True, but it does seem like we might want to move as soon as possible to a scenario where customers aren’t walking into banks wearing masks...

 

[_caleb]

People are now in the mode (not everyone...but it seems a majority) where they now only will alter their behavior if someone directly in their sphere gets very ill or dies. But none of them will admit it. They do what they want - perhaps with a disposable mask - and feel that a distressed medical will save them IF something happens.

Some here have actually admitted it.

 

[seascape]

If having lots of restrictions put on everyone is thr solution to the Covid19 nightmare, why does Florida have less cases than New York. According to the NY Times Florida has 40 cases per 100,000 and New York has 41.4. New Jersey is even worse with 48.6 per 100,00 and Pennsylvania at 61.8 per 100,000. Given those numbers in Northern states why can't their residents visit Florida, where science says it is safer, and not return without having to quarantine?

 

[_caleb]

If having lots of restrictions put on everyone is thr solution to the Covid19 nightmare, why does Florida have less cases than New York. According to the NY Times Florida has 40 cases per 100,000 and New York has 41.4. New Jersey is even worse with 48.6 per 100,00 and Pennsylvania at 61.8 per 100,000. Given those numbers in Northern states why can't their residents visit Florida, where science says it is safer, and not return without having to quarantine?

Because:

• States aren’t surrounded by walls. Strict measures in one state are undermined by a lax response in neighboring states.
• Even people in states with stricter restrictions, a good portion of the population refuses to modify their behavior for the common good. You can’t legislate morality.
• Restrictions are not anyone‘s “solution” to the pandemic. Restrictions are just a part of a reasonable response that can help slow the spread and reduce the number of infections.
• Science called, and they’re definitely NOT saying that Florida is ”safer.”
• Quarantines work. If someone who has potentially been exposed isolates from literally everyone else, they do not risk spreading the virus for the period time when they might be contagious.
• Questions like these are a very poor attempt to justify selfish and short-sighted behavior. Human behavior (and the policies that guide that behavior) can and does affect the impact of the virus on our country.

 

[SamusAranX]

If having lots of restrictions put on everyone is thr solution to the Covid19 nightmare, why does Florida have less cases than New York. According to the NY Times Florida has 40 cases per 100,000 and New York has 41.4. New Jersey is even worse with 48.6 per 100,00 and Pennsylvania at 61.8 per 100,000. Given those numbers in Northern states why can't their residents visit Florida, where science says it is safer, and not return without having to quarantine?

Because people in those states are not gathering outdoors; the restrictions stop at the driveway.

So either the spread is occurring at essential workplaces, stores, etc. or people are disregarding the guidelines left and right in the northern states and having large indoor gatherings.

 

[Jrb1979]

If having lots of restrictions put on everyone is thr solution to the Covid19 nightmare, why does Florida have less cases than New York. According to the NY Times Florida has 40 cases per 100,000 and New York has 41.4. New Jersey is even worse with 48.6 per 100,00 and Pennsylvania at 61.8 per 100,000. Given those numbers in Northern states why can't their residents visit Florida, where science says it is safer, and not return without having to quarantine?

The reason for the higher cases in the north now is due to many being indoors. There has been studies saying majority of spread is in private homes.

Having people from hotspots possibly spreading it to Florida is not what's needed right now. Disney will be there when this is over.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Here’s a interesting read on how desantis and others have hurt Disney. Fun stuff.

Walt Disney World's Florida Problem

www.themeparkinsider.com

 

[drizgirl]

Contact tracing is a way to know for sure how someone caught it.

Too much community spread right now to know for sure. Even if they had the manpower. Many places have just given up on community tracing.

 

[seascape]

Because people in those states are not gathering outdoors; the restrictions stop at the driveway.

So either the spread is occurring at essential workplaces, stores, etc. or people are disregarding the guidelines left and right in the northern states and having large indoor gatherings.

Because:

• States aren’t surrounded by walls. Strict measures in one state are undermined by a lax response in neighboring states.
• Even people in states with stricter restrictions, a good portion of the population refuses to modify their behavior for the common good. You can’t legislate morality.
• Restrictions are not anyone‘s “solution” to the pandemic. Restrictions are just a part of a reasonable response that can help slow the spread and reduce the number of infections.
• Science called, and they’re definitely NOT saying that Florida is ”safer.”
• Quarantines work. If someone who has potentially been exposed isolates from literally everyone else, they do not risk spreading the virus for the period time when they might be contagious.
• Questions like these are a very poor attempt to justify selfish and short-sighted behavior. Human behavior (and the policies that guide that behavior) can and does affect the impact of the virus on our country.

The reason for the higher cases in the north now is due to many being indoors. There has been studies saying majority of spread is in private homes.

Having people from hotspots possibly spreading it to Florida is not what's needed right now. Disney will be there when this is over.

The reason I picked those 3 states is because they all have no restrictions on travel between their boarders. I am sure anyone would say if it is fine to travel from Pennsylvania to New York where it is more dangerous with 54.5% more Covid19 cases per 100,00 than Florida why can't peoppe from NY and NJ visit Florida? Facts are facts and that is an important question. BTW Florida is not quarantining out of state visitors, it's NY, NJ and PA that are quarantining people of their return from Florida.

 

[JoeCamel]

Here’s a interesting read on how desantis and others have hurt Disney. Fun stuff.

Walt Disney World's Florida Problem

www.themeparkinsider.com

Whelp I guess Niles isn't getting that invite to the governor's ball after all.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

The reason I picked those 3 states is because they all have no restrictions on travel between their boarders. I am sure anyone would say if it is fine to travel from Pennsylvania to New York is more dangerous when there is 54.5 more Covid19 cases per 100,00 then those from Florida? Facts are facts and that is an important question. BTW Florida is not quarantining out of state visitors, it's NY, NJ and PA that are quarantining people of their return from Florida.

Florida is a tourist state. They will except anyone from anywhere to bring in business. Just ask their governor. Everything is fine, come on down.

 

[JoeCamel]

Florida is a tourist state. They will except anyone from anywhere to bring in business. Just ask their governor. Everything is fine, come on down.

He has seen the numbers and knows what the budgets will look like next year. Hurricane funds are gone.

 

[_caleb]

Too much community spread right now to know for sure. Even if they had the manpower. Many places have just given up on community tracing.

So there is a way to know, we’re just not using it enough/well.

You know what makes it much easier to conduct contact tracing? If everyone stays home as much as possible.

 

[seascape]

Florida is a tourist state. They will except anyone from anywhere to bring in business. Just ask their governor. Everything is fine, come on down.

He has seen the numbers and knows what the budgets will look like next year. Hurricane funds are gone.

The issue is not with Florida but why NY and NJ have restrictions on their residents visiting states with lower Covid19 cases than they have, especially states where you spend more time outdoors, than those who visit Pennsylvania. It is clearly more dangerous in Pennsylvania than Florida since Pennsylvania have 54.5% more cases per 100,000 than Florida. The entire quarantine process is a joke and the way it is setup isn't even using science, since anyone can travel between Pennsylvania, New York and New Jersey. Use the numbers you want but don't differentiate between states, be consistent. Anyone should be allowed to take a vacation in a state with a lower Covid19 rate than the state they live in, provided they follow safety protocols of 6 feet distancing and mask wearing, which is being enforced at WDW and Universal.

 

[Jrb1979]

The reason I picked those 3 states is because they all have no restrictions on travel between their boarders. I am sure anyone would say if it is fine to travel from Pennsylvania to New York where it is more dangerous with 54.5% more Covid19 cases per 100,00 than Florida why can't peoppe from NY and NJ visit Florida? Facts are facts and that is an important question. BTW Florida is not quarantining out of state visitors, it's NY, NJ and PA that are quarantining people of their return from Florida.

To put it bluntly, people shouldn't be traveling anywhere right now. What is so hard to understand about that?

 

[Jrb1979]

The issue is not with Florida but why NY and NJ have restrictions on their residents visiting states with lower Covid19 cases than they have, especially states where you spend more time outdoors, than those who visit Pennsylvania. It is clearly more dangerous in Pennsylvania than Florida since Pennsylvania have 54.5% more cases per 100,000 than Florida. The entire quarantine process is a joke and the way it is setup isn't even using science, since anyone can travel between Pennsylvania, New York and New Jersey. Use the numbers you want but don't differentiate between states, be consistent. Anyone should be allowed to take a vacation in a state with a lower Covid19 rate than the state they live in, provided they follow safety protocols of 6 feet distancing and mask wearing, which is being enforced at WDW and Universal.

NOBODY SHOULD BE TRAVELING ANYWHERE RIGHT NOW.

 

[JoeCamel]

The issue is not with Florida but why NY and NJ have restrictions on their residents visiting states with lower Covid19 cases than they have, especially states where you spend more time outdoors, than those who visit Pennsylvania. It is clearly more dangerous in Pennsylvania than Florida since Pennsylvania have 54.5% more cases per 100,000 than Florida. The entire quarantine process is a joke and the way it is setup isn't even using science, since anyone can travel between Pennsylvania, New York and New Jersey. Use the numbers you want but don't differentiate between states, be consistent. Anyone should be allowed to take a vacation in a state with a lower Covid19 rate than the state they live in, provided they follow safety protocols of 6 feet distancing and mask wearing, which is being enforced at WDW and Universal.

Maybe your issue, I was at the beach yesterday.....

 

[ToTBellHop]

So hyperbole as I thought.

Tripling doesn't say anything without knowing what the starting point is.

Society is not invalidating coverage for people engaging in other costly high risk activities, so no, I don't think it's appropriate with Covid. Especially since there's no way of knowing for sure how anyone caught it.

You need to know my insurance premium to know that tripling is significant?

Anyone working for minimum wage as a CT employee would pay more than their entire paycheck for insurance if not on the HEP.

You are purposely being difficult.