Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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lazyboy97o

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Polkadotdress said:
And....cue our old favorite arguments likely making an appearance in this thread again, as a famous political figure stated, while speaking at a rally that “Hospitals get extra $2K for Covid deaths” while his son said “There were barely any Covid deaths today”.
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Of course he completely misses that he is complicit in this fraud for not instructing his employees to prosecute...
 
sullyinMT

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Polkadotdress said:
And....cue our old favorite arguments likely making an appearance in this thread again, as a famous political figure stated, while speaking at a rally that “Hospitals get extra $2K for Covid deaths” while his son said “There were barely any Covid deaths today”.

Who was it that recently posted that they were exhausted by the lack of messaging? I’m actually exhausted at the lack of FACTUAL messaging.
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It was me. And that’s what I meant. Factual, clear, and non-condescending. It’s what the masses need, and what they (largely) aren’t getting. The white, non college educated that are having house parties and chilling at the corner bar don’t need to feel like they’re “less than.” But they are adults, and can process clear messages.
 
DisneyTransport

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I would hope the government is sponsoring multiple teams to come up with a wide variety of solutions here. Another lockdown like we had will not be good and will weaken the country in the long term. If required, there needs to be a lockdown on all industries(with free water and electricity, land contracts extended, etc), not what we had where some people made money and others lost it. Repeating what we did is asking for trouble. Here in America, i feel like a major obstacle for us is our culture, so idk what the correct solution is. Ps i am all for masks/restrictions. Im just thinking out loud here
 
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JoeCamel said:
The looming crisis in PPE is coming to a head. There is one factory in the US that makes gloves - one.....

www.cbsnews.com

Nursing homes cite shortages of masks, gloves, gowns and other PPE

Almost 3,000 nursing homes reported less than a week's worth of N95 masks and other personal protective gear on hand.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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Polkadotdress said:
And....cue our old favorite arguments likely making an appearance in this thread again, as a famous political figure stated, while speaking at a rally that “Hospitals get extra $2K for Covid deaths” while his son said “There were barely any Covid deaths today”.

Who was it that recently posted that they were exhausted by the lack of messaging? I’m actually exhausted at the lack of FACTUAL messaging.
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The President already has a ready made excuse🙄
 
Tink242424

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Polkadotdress said:
Even here in the US, unemployment payments have taxes removed from them.
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I think your missing the point. You will never recoup the entire amount of what is given to citizens by taxing what you give them. It still creates a huge amount of debt in the government and could lead to massive inflation which would hurt everyone.

Again I'm not completely against giving money to citizens at this time but I would rather as a society we get something for it. Beautification or some other "job" that is safe for people. I also want a plan as to how we can then pay off the debt at the federal level. And for the love of god can we not have these darned politicians add fluff to these stimulus bills?? The only thing in the bill should be payments to citizens or small businesses.
 
Tink242424

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GoofGoof said:
That works today because case spread isn’t rampant and there are actual protocols a lot of places. For example a senior can ride the bus or go to a grocery store or go to a doctor‘s office because the people around them are practicing distancing and wearing masks. Flash forward to a scenario where restrictions are lifted and there’s no masks and no distancing and no businesses closed so that those who aren’t high risk can do things deemed more risky. Now the same senior can’t ride the bus because the people who went to a concert the night before are sitting on the bus and they aren’t wearing masks. The grocery store becomes more problematic. Senior hours eliminate other shoppers but what about staff? The guy slicing meat at the deli counter could be in the let me do what I want camp. He has a much higher chance of infecting the senior. What happens to a person in the high risk group who is a single mother of 2 and needs to work outside the home. She now has to go to work and be exposed to people who are allowed to take more risks. It’s not practical to tell all of these people they must stay home and only come out during senior hours at the grocery store. It’s much more practical to have protocols in place that reduce spread making it easier for everyone to do what they need to.

On the economic front its a disaster. Taking half the population and only recommending they shop during senior hours is a death blow to many businesses. It may help bars or some restaurants in the short run but it would have devastating long term impacts.
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Your reasoning is flawed though as I didn't say open up without restrictions. I say open everything but with restrictions. I don't like mask mandates but I'm fine if a business wants to require them. I would even be okay with asking all people to wear masks. What I'm saying is that we should allow people to go to stadiums if they want, go to bars if they want (although there should be distancing involved and not squeezing at the bar), allow people to have house parties.

Then the same people who are taking part in riskier behavior will wear masks and socially distance in public. Assuming masks and social distancing work then this shouldn't be a problem.
 
ImperfectPixie

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Tink242424 said:
I think your missing the point. You will never recoup the entire amount of what is given to citizens by taxing what you give them. It still creates a huge amount of debt in the government and could lead to massive inflation which would hurt everyone.

Again I'm not completely against giving money to citizens at this time but I would rather as a society we get something for it. Beautification or some other "job" that is safe for people. I also want a plan as to how we can then pay off the debt at the federal level. And for the love of god can we not have these darned politicians add fluff to these stimulus bills?? The only thing in the bill should be payments to citizens or small businesses.
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The pork on the bills makes me insane.
 
lazyboy97o

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Tink242424 said:
Your reasoning is flawed though as I didn't say open up without restrictions. I say open everything but with restrictions. I don't like mask mandates but I'm fine if a business wants to require them. I would even be okay with asking all people to wear masks. What I'm saying is that we should allow people to go to stadiums if they want, go to bars if they want (although there should be distancing involved and not squeezing at the bar), allow people to have house parties.

Then the same people who are taking part in riskier behavior will wear masks and socially distance in public. Assuming masks and social distancing work then this shouldn't be a problem.
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And if these people who want to cram into a theater work with people who are at risk then tough luck?
 
ImperfectPixie

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lazyboy97o said:
And if these people who want to cram into a theater work with people who are at risk then tough luck?
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This is the problem.

My husband is at high risk for severe symptoms due to his heart. He's a flooring installer. He now has to count on every guy he works with being as careful as he is when they're not on the job. His boss doesn't tend to hire the cream of the crop, so we're talking a bunch of drinkers and at least one drug user (not pot). So far, there have been no problems, but I'm not expecting it to last...especially since half of them are Trump voters and virus fatigue is setting in.
 
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Tink242424 said:
I think your missing the point. You will never recoup the entire amount of what is given to citizens by taxing what you give them. It still creates a huge amount of debt in the government and could lead to massive inflation which would hurt everyone.

Again I'm not completely against giving money to citizens at this time but I would rather as a society we get something for it. Beautification or some other "job" that is safe for people. I also want a plan as to how we can then pay off the debt at the federal level. And for the love of god can we not have these darned politicians add fluff to these stimulus bills?? The only thing in the bill should be payments to citizens or small businesses.
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And I would maintain that you were missing my point, which is that it seems counterintuitive to take taxes out of money being given to people to help them. In FL, the maximum weekly payment for unemployment is $275. After factoring out taxes, it's far less.

Also, when you say that people should sweep the streets, or pick up trash in exchange for govt money, do you know that mirrors? China. EVERYONE must work in China, no matter what. And those that aren't skilled, are tasked with street sweeping and such for a government stipend While traveling there last year, our tour guide kept mentioning that fact.
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hopemax

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Tink242424 said:
Your reasoning is flawed though as I didn't say open up without restrictions. I say open everything but with restrictions. I don't like mask mandates but I'm fine if a business wants to require them. I would even be okay with asking all people to wear masks. What I'm saying is that we should allow people to go to stadiums if they want, go to bars if they want (although there should be distancing involved and not squeezing at the bar), allow people to have house parties.

Then the same people who are taking part in riskier behavior will wear masks and socially distance in public. Assuming masks and social distancing work then this shouldn't be a problem.
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More misrepresentation. Masks & social distancing HELP, but they are not 100% effective. No one had ever said they are, except the people who in reality don't think they do anything, and are playing gotcha games to get proponents of these things to say that they don't work. Mixing risky people with vulnerable people will still allow the virus to spread. And if that venue is a care facility, bad things happen.

But this discussion line, originally came from the Great Barrington Letter strategy which says, drop all the restrictions, but aggressively protect the vulnerable. I started asking for examples of how these people imagined that would work in practice and found very little. We talked a little about the need to lock the vulnerable up, in this scenario. Then you said that we didn't, because we had things like senior hours. So that's why GoofGoof said your idea wouldn't work, because it was in the context of everyone else not having to do anything anymore.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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marni1971 said:
How the world sees it:

Coronavirus: US sees record-high daily Covid numbers as election nears https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54751759

Meanwhile England is heading towards another national lockdown. Great.
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Good luck...to all on the other side of the lake.

Stateside...we are in full on alternative reality played out on tv. It’s like Inception.

Never seen before...hopefully no one will ever again.
 
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