Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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FeelsSoGoodToBeBad

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Then the same people who are taking part in riskier behavior will wear masks and socially distance in public. Assuming masks and social distancing work then this shouldn't be a problem.
People are having parties and going to bars now and NOT wearing masks or distancing, going so far as to flout their behavior on social media. Why do you think they would suddenly start being conscientious about other people's health (much less their own) if we followed the "open it all up and trust ppl to do the right thing" model?
 

Chi84

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Your reasoning is flawed though as I didn't say open up without restrictions. I say open everything but with restrictions. I don't like mask mandates but I'm fine if a business wants to require them. I would even be okay with asking all people to wear masks. What I'm saying is that we should allow people to go to stadiums if they want, go to bars if they want (although there should be distancing involved and not squeezing at the bar), allow people to have house parties.

Then the same people who are taking part in riskier behavior will wear masks and socially distance in public. Assuming masks and social distancing work then this shouldn't be a problem.
In your scenario, are the people having house parties social distancing and wearing masks at the parties?
 

Chi84

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...here comes the “no...but they’re not in the “at risk” category”

- Newscorp
3/1/20201-Forever
I don't understand. Are you saying the poster will say house parties are not high risk or the people attending them are not high risk? The former is not true based on what the CDC is saying about prolonged indoor contact, and the latter assumes either that old people don't party or that no elderly person lives in the house. I'm not sure how anyone can know the composition of people at a house party, unless it's their own house.

Oh, wait. Maybe the old people can be confined to a bedroom or something.
 

ImperfectPixie

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I don't understand. Are you saying the poster will say house parties are not high risk or the people attending them are not high risk? The former is not true based on what the CDC is saying about prolonged indoor contact, and the latter assumes either that old people don't party or that no elderly person lives in the house. I'm not sure how anyone can know the composition of people at a house party, unless it's their own house.

Oh, wait. Maybe the old people can be confined to a bedroom or something.
What about old people someone from the party comes into contact with? The party-goer could have picked up the virus and not known it.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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I don't understand. Are you saying the poster will say house parties are not high risk or the people attending them are not high risk? The former is not true based on what the CDC is saying about prolonged indoor contact, and the latter assumes either that old people don't party or that no elderly person lives in the house. I'm not sure how anyone can know the composition of people at a house party, unless it's their own house.

Oh, wait. Maybe the old people can be confined to a bedroom or something.

If I had to guess...it will revert to “the young are not really at risk”. It’s been the standard response for months by those that are incorrect and don’t want to accept any concept of uniform response.
 

GoofGoof

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Your reasoning is flawed though as I didn't say open up without restrictions. I say open everything but with restrictions. I don't like mask mandates but I'm fine if a business wants to require them. I would even be okay with asking all people to wear masks. What I'm saying is that we should allow people to go to stadiums if they want, go to bars if they want (although there should be distancing involved and not squeezing at the bar), allow people to have house parties.

Then the same people who are taking part in riskier behavior will wear masks and socially distance in public. Assuming masks and social distancing work then this shouldn't be a problem.
That’s a completely different argument then. Instead of saying open everything and isolate the high risk you are now saying open everything and let anyone do whatever they want (including the high risk) but then everyone will wear a mask and distance after. If you could get everyone to actually follow protocols like wearing a mask and distancing and avoiding group gatherings then we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now. We’d be in much better shape. Right now (today) people are supposed to be doing those things and yet the virus spreads unchecked. What you describe is literally what’s supposed to be happening right now except certain high risk activities like packed stadiums and bars are still not allowed some places. If you go to FL the plan you describe is reality...it’s not going so well there.

I‘m not sure there is much hope of a good answer right now. This is a mostly academic debate at this point because nothing will change. If anything things are likely to get worse with the holidays fast approaching, it’s a big ball of kindling. Now all we need is a close election next week that results in one side or the other taking to the streets in protest to light the whole thing up. I wish I could say I thought there was hope for a meaningful change, but realistically the government isn’t going to change, the message from the top will get more divisive and more anti-science and people are going to be less and less inclined to follow any requirements. It’s going to be a rough time. That vaccine couldn’t come sooner.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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And I would maintain that you were missing my point, which is that it seems counterintuitive to take taxes out of money being given to people to help them. In FL, the maximum weekly payment for unemployment is $275. After factoring out taxes, it's far less.

Also, when you say that people should sweep the streets, or pick up trash in exchange for govt money, do you know that mirrors? China. EVERYONE must work in China, no matter what. And those that aren't skilled, are tasked with street sweeping and such for a government stipend While traveling there last year, our tour guide kept mentioning that fact.View attachment 509635yed. EVERYONE.


...sure seems like utopian MAGA “freedom” to me👏
 

GoofGoof

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In your scenario, are the people having house parties social distancing and wearing masks at the parties?
Exactly. I think the answer has to be yes, but that’s not really going to happen. That’s the plan as it actually exists today and how many people are really doing it? I‘ve seen my parents and my in-laws (all over 70) maybe 4 or 5 times in the last 7 months and each time we stayed out on my deck and wore masks the whole time. I’ve had friends over a few times who have done the same thing. People think I’m weird for doing that, but that’s what should happen. How many people plan to go to a family member‘s house for Thanksgiving this year? How many plan to wear masks the whole time? Same question for Christmas? Same for New Years Eve?
 

ImperfectPixie

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And I would maintain that you were missing my point, which is that it seems counterintuitive to take taxes out of money being given to people to help them. In FL, the maximum weekly payment for unemployment is $275. After factoring out taxes, it's far less.

Also, when you say that people should sweep the streets, or pick up trash in exchange for govt money, do you know that mirrors? China. EVERYONE must work in China, no matter what. And those that aren't skilled, are tasked with street sweeping and such for a government stipend While traveling there last year, our tour guide kept mentioning that fact.View attachment 509635yed. EVERYONE.
When my husband was collecting in the spring, having the taxes taken out was optional. We're in Taxachusetts and it was $50 out of $600 taken in taxes (better than having to make up for them later).
 

Chi84

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If I had to guess...it will revert to “the young are not really at risk”. It’s been the standard response for months by those that are incorrect and don’t want to accept any concept of uniform response.
Maybe, but I hope @Tink242424 responds. If you advocate house parties with no restrictions during the holidays, it's not going to be just the young participating. Or are we talking about house parties with social distancing and masks - and for everyone, or just the people deemed high risk? I just wonder how this is supposed to work.
 

Disstevefan1

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I mean...can you just not obsess about going to Disneyland??

But now I have to disagree with you when I shouldn’t: you’re scared of cruise ships where its most likely everyone on board will HAVE To be tested...but ok in meat market free for all amusement parks where low paid workers and tourists from all over come and go as they please??

It must be freaky Friday

The post I replied to was comparing the theme parks to cruise ships and that’s where DLR came in. I guess it was unnecessary for me to reiterate that DLR is closed is closed for no reason except for politics. But don’t worry, DLR will be suddenly cleared to open after Nov. 3rd.

I am encouraged you are not scared of cruise ships and feel just being tested was enough. I will remain scared of cruise ships because of COVID and other cruise born illnesses.

In my opinion, theme parks are safer just by the fact that you can remove your self from any unsafe or dangerous situation at will.
 

Disstevefan1

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We’re saying the same thing. It doesn’t mean industry leaders don’t deserve the right to discuss how best to implement their next steps. As I see it, that’s all this is really doing.
Leave DCL out for a minute (they won’t be first to sail by a long shot). Let’s say CCL and NCL are the first major lines out, and RCCL follows a month or so later. First, they need to reposition fleet. Then, they’ll need clearance not just from the CDC, but from their respective ports of call. My guess is they’d have those ducks in a row first. Next, they’d have to recall and re-hire crews from all over the world and (best guess) quarantine them on land before quarantining them on ship. As that process is moving, they’ll be restocking galleys, retraining even seasoned staff on new protocols, etc. Maybe even obtaining testing kits?
Point is, that is all WAY longer than the 30 day period we currently have before the 12/1 sailings of any major line. But it’s a process they should be allowed to start and get approved.
Totally agree 12/1 will never happen. Let’s say all lines up and 12/1 was possible, they can’t sail at full capacity in order to allow social distancing. Ha, social distancing on a cruise ship, that’s not even possible unless you sail at a fraction of capacity, and they will lose money on each sailing.

I think the gating item here is a vaccine and proof of vaccine before you board.
 
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