Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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SamusAranX said:
I guess in some ways it’s theaters, but I also see it as baby step that Disney is a tiny bit better then we assumed (at the moment) and feel confident enough to open Magic Kingdom until 9 pm
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At this point...they can only go so far...like opening their by far busiest park in the country till 9 pm on the busiest two weeks of the year 😳

Any further “steps” are 100% based on the economic prospects...and the virus response is in control there.

And it sucks...and nobody wants that. It just happens to be “mainstream fact”
 
baymenxpac

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Lilofan said:
Trying to compare Japan vs the USA is like night and day. How Japan continues to control covid is for one thing - the government asked, the people listened and complied.
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what the heck is going on today? japan never had a lockdown (the PM doesn't have the authority to order one), never had a mask mandate. our world in data rates (on a 0-to-100 scale, 100 being the strictest) japan a 35.19 on the COVID government response stringency index. the USA is 66.2.
 
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DisneyCane said:
It is a virus. Humans can not really "control" this (or any) virus without medical intervention such as a vaccine or cure. Some viruses can be contained with isolation, quarantine and contact tracing but for that to work the virus must cause somewhat severe illness in almost all patients and certainly can't be able to spread by asymptomatic carriers like this one.

The only way any government (and it is ravaging the entire world, not just the USA) can modify the outbreak curve is to control the behavior of the citizens. The more suppression of the curve is desired, the more freedom must be taken from the citizens. However, as seen in many places, once those freedoms are restored the virus will do what viruses do and spread at the prior rate again.

This is the reason why the topic has become political, because it is. The further "right" somebody is, the more they tend to be appalled at taking away freedoms and tend to feel that people should be personally responsible for their own safety. The further "left" somebody is, the more they tend to feel "the government" can and should do whatever is necessary to take care of people and keep them safe.

The mask "battle" is nothing more than a metaphor for the divergent schools of thought. To somebody on the right, it represents authoritarian control. To somebody on the left it represents caring for your fellow man and "doing something."

"Control" of this virus is a trade off between the level of "control" of the virus and the level of shutting down freedoms and the economy. It also leads to an increase in unintended consequences like mental illness, addiction issues and some increase in domestic violence. Of course, less "control" of the spread of the virus and more freedoms and personal responsibility will also have some detrimental effect on the economy which will have some of those unintended consequences as well.

Had the world (and it would have been required for the entire world to act in concert) completely and totally shut down for 2 months or more (no essential businesses, nobody coming into any contact with any person outside of their household), it might have stopped the spread but would have taken the worldwide economy back to the stone age and probably led to the breakdown of civilization.

The bottom line is there is no "correct" answer. There is only what each person believes is the acceptable trade off. I am often accused of my beliefs on the subject being selfish. In a way that is true but the opposing belief is selfish also. It might be "touchy feely" and sound good but wanting me to give up my freedoms to protect you is also selfish.

The only thing that both sides are ever going to agree on is that the world will not be back to normal until there is a safe and highly effective vaccine available.
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This is an incredible comment and I really enjoyed reading it. Thanks for the perspective.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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oceanbreeze77 said:
Is that why all of the professionals are deeply worried about using herd immunity as a strategy right now??
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Well...there’s two ideas that are preached on tv and the internet.

A vaccinated populace is the one that makes sense...but there are roadblocks to that - of course.

The other is the mongrelized “do what you want” that has been preached. That is for the lazy and/or stupid...which is why it’s such a popular choice in the US currently.
 
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Chi84 said:
People crave certainty and control, and this virus is incompatible with both of those things. With respect to "control," you're on a WDW planning site where people have been trained to map out every detail of their vacations years in advance, so your audience probably doesn't include the "let's give it time and see what happens" crowd. They'll admit to not knowing what will happen, then say "sorry to tell you this, but [insert whatever]" is going to happen.

I support all the current restrictions, including mask-wearing, and don't agree with those advocating herd immunity, but I've still been the subject of (a) through (c) (possibly (d) too and I didn't understand it) because I've suggested that requiring people to wear masks in public is not the cure people want it to be. In Illinois, we have had a mask mandate since the beginning of May and from what I see people are complying with it. Nevertheless, we had a major spike in July and another is taking place now.

From what I have been hearing, the major spread is occurring because people are starting to ignore the advice to stay away from each other and have started gathering in restaurants and homes. The governor has just reinstated a ban on indoor dining, which the restaurants vehemently oppose. Their point is that if people are gathering in public, their behavior can be monitored and regulated - closing the restaurants just leads to people gathering in homes, where they are almost certainly not following COVID precautions. We need to find an effective message - some way to reach these people - if it's at all possible.
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thanks for the thoughtful reply. I always get a little nervous when I see someone has quoted what I said, because things can get a little heated here. Great point about how banning public activities moves people back into each other’s homes where restrictions are harder to enforce.
 
Slpy3270

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All live entertainment is being permanently shuttered post-pandemic. They wouldn't have laid off people if they weren't considering permanent removal.

And before anyone talks about those "recall notices", no reasonable person who needs to pay bills will wait til mid 2021 to reapply. They're all gone.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Well...there’s two ideas that are preached on tv and the internet.

A vaccinated populace is the one that makes sense...but there are roadblocks to that - of course.

The other is the mongrelized “do what you want” that has been preached. That is for the lazy and/or stupid...which is why it’s such a popular choice in the US currently.
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When your primary argument against people who disagree with you is that they’re “lazy and/or stupid” (which is the same thing you say in 70% of your comments), you’re the one being lazy.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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Touchdown said:
Herd immunity in the absence of a vaccine is complete bunk. It’s a belief held only by those who think nothing we do can modify risk.
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Those people aren’t considering risk factors...by and large...

They paint themselves as selfish, lazy or greedy.

And I hate to say it...but after 7 months of data crunching (people watching)...it’s the reasonable conclusion
 
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Kevin_W

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baymenxpac said:
what the heck is going on today? japan never had a lockdown (the PM doesn't have the authority to order one), never had a mask mandate. our world in data rates (on a 0-to-100 scale, 100 being the strictest) japan a 35.19 on the COVID government response stringency index. the USA is 66.2.
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Perhaps there is something to underlying immunity, caused by MMR vaccination or some other reason.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Slpy3270 said:
All live entertainment is being permanently shuttered post-pandemic. They wouldn't have laid off people if they weren't considering permanent removal.

And before anyone talks about those "recall notices", no reasonable person who needs to pay bills will wait til mid 2021 to reapply. They're all gone.
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Agree. This change is permanent
disneycp said:
When your primary argument against people who disagree with you is that they’re “lazy and/or stupid” (which is the same thing you say in 70% of your comments), you’re the one being lazy.
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Ok...you showed your hand here. I don’t believe you to be a “new member”.

You can feel free to ignore me...or keep trying to sling zingers and make it really easy to figure out who you are with patterns.
 
baymenxpac

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Kevin_W said:
Perhaps there is something to underlying immunity, caused by MMR vaccination or some other reason.
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i definitely think based on prior SARS (SARS-1) exposure, that's at play. if this in fact made a jump from a bat, is diet a factor? also a new preprint that came out today contends that BCG vaccinations, very prevalent in asia, are actually in essence COVID vaccines: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.20.20214965v1

lots of very compelling evidence that there's underlying factors at play in the small level of severe covid in asia.
lazyboy97o said:
Don’t forget the indubitable Dr. Johnny Bananas.
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yeah, i mean...so some people that are opposed to it signed a few fake names. the media was ALL over that. it doesn't change the fact that the GBD, 1) actually is transparent about that, and is going through painstaking lengths to confirm its signatories, 2) support dwarfs the jon snow declaration.

it shouldn't be about that though: the two competing schools of thought that only lead to tribalism. even when there's dissent, the scientific community should be working together on this. they're not. why? politics, and i would also argue a thirst for grant money. just my two cents.
 
lazyboy97o

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Agree. This change is permanent


Ok...you showed your hand here. I don’t believe you to be a “new member”.

You can feel free to ignore me...or keep trying to sling zingers and make it really easy to figure out who you are with patterns.
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I really take heart in hearing that I’m not the only person who has called you out before. But serious question - what would be the point of me making a second account on an already anonymous forum just to poke fun at you?
 
Jrb1979

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I'm trying to wrap my head around how a few of you feel. I have never seen a country so divided like the US is right now. I'm trying to understand that side of things but I struggle to. On one hand the few are against any form of restrictions also seem to be against any form of government aid. I posted an article showing how the Canadian government gave people money to those affected by Covid and businesses got the money to help them too. All I got was laughter from @rowrbazzle and @mousefan1972.
 
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