Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Lilofan

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Great news on the vaccine front today: Moderna has successfully filled its Phase 3 trial with 30k people. All have received 1st dose. Over 25k have received 2nd. 37% are minority. To provide context for those interested, in order to produce statistically significant findings here, we now wait for 53 or more study participants to contract COVID-19. That is not expected to take very long given the current rate of spread (mid-November is the estimate). Then they compare the number infected who had received the vaccines versus those who receive the placebo. The goal is that no more than 13 out of the 53 will have received the vaccines. That would represent a 75% effective vaccine. Let’s hope it goes well! Imagine how proud to be an American you could be in two-months time to be in the nation where the first successful COVID-19 vaccine was developed.
It's promising news but the info is scary. After getting the vaccine then the person waits if they contract covid.
 

Seanual757

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I think they are relying heavily on this study reported by NPR a few days ago.

That report as well plus the enhanced cleaning sprays most airlines are doing after each flight helps. Right now anything to get the public flying again safely.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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I would not place much faith in those lol...
They *could* be successful, at least one of the five or six they're already using. They have lab tests that people receiving the vaccine candidates produce a strong enough antibody response.

Problem is they're not waiting for testing and statistical confirmation. So, they can all be bad. Or, they can all be good.

They can also be good, but dangerous to a small population... we just don't know yet.

But they're certainly gambling on it.

"The West" has about four or five good candidates in Phase III. We have reasonable expectations for one or more to be successful. If we were China or Russia, we'd start implementing them. And that would seem like a good chance to have a successful vaccine. And also a possibility of causing harm. So, we don't take the gamble.
 

DisneyCane

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I think they are relying heavily on this study reported by NPR a few days ago.

I don't know if they are relying on that. I think that blocking the middle seat was always a psychological thing. The seats are 17.2" wide. That "distancing" isn't going to accomplish anything. There is somebody (usually) in front or behind you that is 32" away anyway.

American never blocked the middle seat and there weren't any reports of issues traced to their flights (and some that I was personally on were quite full).

An airline has no chance to be profitable if they don't sell 1/3 of the seats on a plane on purpose.
 

baymenxpac

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I don't know if they are relying on that. I think that blocking the middle seat was always a psychological thing. The seats are 17.2" wide. That "distancing" isn't going to accomplish anything. There is somebody (usually) in front or behind you that is 32" away anyway.

American never blocked the middle seat and there weren't any reports of issues traced to their flights (and some that I was personally on were quite full).

An airline has no chance to be profitable if they don't sell 1/3 of the seats on a plane on purpose.

now just replace "blocking the middle seat" with basically every non-pharmaceutical intervention that we've implemented in the last seven months and you're onto something. the allure of the illusion of control is a heck of a drug.
 

MisterPenguin

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Osceola is between Polk and Orange...

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DisneyCane

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As surmised they had a bunch of tests in the hopper
This is why I don't understand why some people reacted so horrified to the suggestion of only doing every other day or weekly reports. The daily data is meaningless when they keep having these low number of results reported followed by a data dump. There weren't twice as many people infected yesterday as there were on Tuesday but that is what a quick glance at the daily data would say. I'd rather having meaningful and consistent data once a week than daily data jumping all over the place.
 

ToTBellHop

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They *could* be successful, at least one of the five or six they're already using. They have lab tests that people receiving the vaccine candidates produce a strong enough antibody response.

Problem is they're not waiting for testing and statistical confirmation. So, they can all be bad. Or, they can all be good.

They can also be good, but dangerous to a small population... we just don't know yet.

But they're certainly gambling on it.

"The West" has about four or five good candidates in Phase III. We have reasonable expectations for one or more to be successful. If we were China or Russia, we'd start implementing them. And that would seem like a good chance to have a successful vaccine. And also a possibility of causing harm. So, we don't take the gamble.
Yes, for now. I would bet a small amount of money that essential workers will be receiving a vaccine by the end of this year in the USA. I have heard vaguely promising results from both the Moderna and Pfizer studies.
 

sullyinMT

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I don't know if they are relying on that. I think that blocking the middle seat was always a psychological thing. The seats are 17.2" wide. That "distancing" isn't going to accomplish anything. There is somebody (usually) in front or behind you that is 32" away anyway.

American never blocked the middle seat and there weren't any reports of issues traced to their flights (and some that I was personally on were quite full).

An airline has no chance to be profitable if they don't sell 1/3 of the seats on a plane on purpose.
They’ve likely reached a threshold were filling a few middle seats makes more sense than adding flights to select routes.
It’s not as if 33% more people will be traveling SWA next month than now, but they’re seeing just enough demand to warrant selling a few extra tickets as opposed to 5% (or whatever) full flights.

This is probably the same thing WDW saw in future demand for values, justifying the opening of an additional resort.
 

hopemax

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Southwest will no longer be blocking middle seats starting December 1st - they have tweeted out the reasons in this thread below.


Was not happy to see this, since I booked my flights yesterday for December. But I can only handle one apocalypse per day, and the once closer to home is taking precedence. So today, no COVID, just doom scrolling for updates on how much of Rocky Mountain National Park and surrounding areas have burned. 😭
 

GoofGoof

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Any Epcot evening show that has stuff happening on the lake would make people crowd along the shore to see it.

A completely new Epcot show can happen in my estimation if they forego doing anything on the lake and just throw the fireworks up in the air. In that case, people can spread out and watch.
You just need a bunch of people to enforce distancing...and a lot of rope :). I think they should consider roping off “boxes“ to keep people apart all around the lake. Make rows and columns like a giant human spreadsheet. It could be magical :)
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Big data dump of results today. We saw that coming yesterday.

The numbers were off yesterday so it was easy to predict a big data dump was coming

and today it happened

quest diagnostics dumped over 3,800 results today that were from over 2 weeks ago

Florida really needs to do something about these labs reporting so late.

Today Orange County convention with ALL positives and NO negatives.

Yesterday ALL negatives NO Positives

again you can see things not aligned correctly.

I think we will see BIG fluctuations for a couple of days
You not suggesting Florida is the “victim” here, are you?

Lots of rumors of political machinations this week...and sure enough testing “issuers”

Sure ironic.

He’s losing control quickly...5,600 positives today
 

DisneyCane

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You not suggesting Florida is the “victim” here, are you?

Lots of rumors of political machinations this week...and sure enough testing “issuers”

Sure ironic.

He’s losing control quickly...5,600 positives today
I don't know what kind of conspiracy theory you are suggesting but there were 5,600 REPORTED positives yesterday, 3,800 of which were from more than two weeks ago. Whatever control "he" has isn't lost based on the data from yesterday.
 
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