Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

Please source what you post to something that represents the scientific consensus rather than the musing of 'experts.'

Remember the two California doctors who said the pandemic is practically over because they discovered the majority of people were already exposed to the virus? They're doctors! They're experts!! They were also very very wrong because they based their sample on the sick people who came to their clinic.

Remember the doctor who said hydroxychloroquine significantly helped people in danger of death from COVID? He's a doctor treating COVID patients. He's an expert!! He was also wrong.

So, when an expert says that Vitamin D helps people with Vitamin D deficiency fight off COVID, well... no duh. I but Vitamin C helps people with Vitamin C deficiency fight off COVID. And Vitamin A helps people with Vitamin A deficiency fight off COVID.

Wait until the CDC starts recommending Vitamin D before it's clear that helps fight off COVID for people who don't already have a Vitamin D deficiency.

Interesting study out of Spain showing significant benefits from a therapeutic vitamin D treatment. It was a small study but could be very promising:

The First Clinical Trial to Support Vitamin D Therapy For Covid-19

[Updated 27 Sept] Oral calcifediol reduced ICU admission for Covid-19 from 50% to 2%. And key questions about the trial answered.

medium.com

It is important to note that the study used a version of vitamin D that is similar to what your body produces from natural vitamin D which allowed the therapeutic effect work faster. It's unlikely you would get similar benefits from increasing the amount of natural vitamin D once you were already infected.

 

[SamusAranX]

Do you mean he intended to and wanted to down size prior to this? And that’s why so many lay offs (in other words he wanted to stop hiring or run it differently so if something like a pandemic happened they’d be in a better position?)

They have made comments about being more "efficient"; would the layoffs have been as drastic without COVID? Who can say; I will say though that Covid gave them the opening to do that. It's a theory, unprovable, but a theory

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Bringing up the 6% number tells me you are not an infectious disease researcher, at least not a good one. The statement "CDC say that only 6% of total deaths were from only covid" is incorrect. The CDC said that 6% of death certificated ONLY listed covid. Since covid kills by causing the failure of one or more bodily system, there really shouldn't be any death certificates that lists only covid, there will always be something else.

If you look at the full list of causes listed on the death certificate, you will find that a lot of them were things that were caused by the virus. If a person had "respiratory arrest" listed on the death certificate, meaning they stopped breathing, it's pretty likely that it was the virus that lead to that. Even people with true pre-existing conditions, diabetes for example, could have continued to live for many years with that condition if they had not caught the virus.

Bottom line, most (although probably not all) of the people who have died from covid would probably be alive today if it had not caught the virus.

My belief is that people who feel the need to lie in order to "prove" that they're right are never right.

 

[ElvisMickey]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet in this forum, but I wonder if this will change any minds amongst the population of Florida:

Bowden back in hospital for virus-related testing

Bobby Bowden's wife, Ann, told the Tallahassee Democrat that her husband was hospitalized because of fatigue and was scheduled to undergo tests. Also, FSU said that university president John Thrasher has tested positive for COVID-19.

www.espn.com

As someone who grew up in NJ and is now a Florida resident, no. I’ve been living my life for months...going to the parks, the grocery store, out to dinner, weekend trip to St. Augustine. I wear my mask...not because I want to but it’s the responsible thing to do. Still haven’t caught Corona. And yes, I’ve gotten tested several times since I go into the office once a month as part of my job. The real issue is the number of people who’ve brought it TO Florida from other states (snowbirds, spring breakers for example). But we get blamed for spreading it because we choose to live our lives instead of being locked in our dungeons. You guys need to chill with the Florida B.S.

 

[Jrb1979]

CDC say that only 6% of total deaths were from only covid. The rest dies from other causes but also tested positive for the virus. I'm not going to live in fear of this thing. It's your choice. I know of several who contracted the virus and got over it. This is probably one of our countries most irrational responses to a virus we have ever seen. If your afraid stay in your house. I choose to live my life however long it may be. By the way, I am an infectious disease researcher.

I have said it once before and I will say it again. NO ONE IS LIVING IN FEAR. I don't call wearing a mask, practicing social distancing and doing just about everything I did before Covid living in fear. Can we just stop with this fear non sense

 

[Heppenheimer]

As someone who grew up in NJ and is now a Florida resident, no. I’ve been living my life for months...going to the parks, the grocery store, out to dinner, weekend trip to St. Augustine. I wear my mask...not because I want to but it’s the responsible thing to do. Still haven’t caught Corona. And yes, I’ve gotten tested several times since I go into the office once a month as part of my job. The real issue is the number of people who’ve brought it TO Florida from other states (snowbirds, spring breakers for example). But we get blamed for spreading it because we choose to live our lives instead of being locked in our dungeons. You guys need to chill with the Florida B.S.

The rest of the country is hardly "locked down in our dungeons".

But our governor hasn't given bars the go-ahead to reopen either, or made it all but impossible to punish people violating the public health ordinances.

 

[ElvisMickey]

The rest of the country is hardly "locked down in our dungeons".

But our governor hasn't given bars the go-ahead to reopen either, or made it all but impossible to punish people violating the public health ordinances.

I hope you’re not including California in that statement. And for what it’s worth, all private businesses still have a mask requirement. So no one is going anywhere indoors without masks. Don’t judge from the outside.

Until Florida is MILES above everyone else in cases, then what you’re trying to say is completely irrelevant.

 

[SamusAranX]

I have said it once before and I will say it again. NO ONE IS LIVING IN FEAR. I don't call wearing a mask, practicing social distancing and doing just about everything I did before Covid living in fear. Can we just stop with this fear non sense

I'm wearing a mask, not because I am scared I will catch it, but so I don't inadvertently spread it to high risk people in public. This is also why I have only seen my younger friends, and have avoided being around my parents and grandparents.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The real issue is the number of people who’ve brought it TO Florida from other states (snowbirds, spring breakers for example). But we get blamed for spreading it because we choose to live our lives instead of being locked in our dungeons. You guys need to chill with the Florida B.S.

You do know that people who live in Florida sometimes actually leave the state and come back? I know!! Weird!!! But true.

They visit New York City and Italy and China!!! And then they come back to Florida bringing back with them souvenirs such as COVID and flus.

Anyone who blames "outsiders" without also blaming "their own" for crossing borders from both directions is clearly trying to spin a narrative. Do you think that if FL banned all outside visitors since past January that FL wouldn't have had COVID cases from their own people leaving the state and coming back because of vacations and business?

You need to chill with the outsiders baloney.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Interesting study out of Spain showing significant benefits from a therapeutic vitamin D treatment. It was a small study but could be very promising:

The First Clinical Trial to Support Vitamin D Therapy For Covid-19

[Updated 27 Sept] Oral calcifediol reduced ICU admission for Covid-19 from 50% to 2%. And key questions about the trial answered.

medium.com

It is important to note that the study used a version of vitamin D that is similar to what your body produces from natural vitamin D which allowed the therapeutic effect work faster. It's unlikely you would get similar benefits from increasing the amount of natural vitamin D once you were already infected.

Well... that's promising.

But then again, so was that one doctor's use of hydroxychloroquine at one time.

I'd like to see that replicated by someone else in a larger trial where they actually measure the amount of all the forms of Vitamin D in the patients before and during the trial and to take comorbidities into account.

 

[Chi84]

I have said it once before and I will say it again. NO ONE IS LIVING IN FEAR. I don't call wearing a mask, practicing social distancing and doing just about everything I did before Covid living in fear. Can we just stop with this fear non sense

There are a lot of people not doing just about everything they did before COVID. I wouldn’t call it fear, but we have canceled trips and family gatherings/celebrations, and we have voluntarily chosen not to visit WDW until the mask requirement is dropped because that’s not the type of experience we want.

There are many people whose lives have been severely impacted. I’m not sure why people are suddenly taking the position that everything is just fine now. Just because people aren’t locked down in dungeons or whatever hyperbole is currently in fashion doesn’t mean we’re all just fine.

And I call wearing a mask and social distancing difficult things to do that take away some of the joy from life. Doesn’t mean I won’t do it, but there’s no way it’s not causing a significant impact.

 

[Jrb1979]

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There are a lot of people not doing just about everything they did before COVID. I wouldn’t call it fear, but we have canceled trips and family gatherings/celebrations, and we have voluntarily chosen not to visit WDW until the mask requirement is dropped because that’s not the type of experience we want.

There are many people whose lives have been severely impacted. I’m not sure why people are suddenly taking the position that everything is just fine now. Just because people aren’t locked down in dungeons or whatever hyperbole is currently in fashion doesn’t mean we’re all just fine.

And I call wearing a mask and social distancing difficult things to do that take away some of the joy from life. Doesn’t mean I won’t do it, but there’s no way it’s not causing a significant impact.

That's what I'm saying. So many keep calling what you're saying living in fear. I never said everything is fine. No life is not quite the same but majority aren't living in fear but trying to live their life the best they can.

 

[Miss Bella]

The rest of the country is hardly "locked down in our dungeons".

But our governor hasn't given bars the go-ahead to reopen either, or made it all but impossible to punish people violating the public health ordinances.

I bet those bar owners feel locked down.

 

[Jrb1979]

You lost me when you said that people from Florida have been going to China.

Go try and bully someone else (your specialty)...not going to happen here.

You lost me at blaming the outsiders for bringing Covid to Florida. At this point there is no point in blaming anyone. Instead we should be figuring out how to live with this. One way to do it is get people to stay home when you are sick. I know it's hard to to do but it would go a long way in stopping the spread.

 

[Chi84]

I finally succumb to that recently. It felt a little like cheating.

It's really not. You get an idea after a certain number of posts whether someone is just going to annoy you for whatever reason - sometimes it's an issue particular to you rather than the poster. Using the ignore feature is better than going back and forth in an endless cycle of arguments and insults that no one else needs to see.

 

[GoofGoof]

Never blamed them for bringing it here...they contributed. Did you forget how numerous people fled NY/NJ, etc. to come down to Florida when this first happened? And the tourists? To the point where we needed to ask them to quarantine? That was in March/April.

I’m not trying to argue with anyone here. But Florida has been consistently getting a bad rep from people who don’t even live here, have no clue what everyday life has been like in the state and just keep piling on because it’s the cool thing to do.

Last I checked there were 10s of thousands of Disney CMs alone still out of work and many, many more people in other related jobs that desperately want the tourists to come back. The governor is begging Disney and Universal to remove capacity limits in the hopes to draw more tourists in. So if the issue is tourists bringing Covid to FL then your issue is with your own governor. By the way I agree with you that especially this summer during the spike in cases nobody should have been traveling to FL if they didn’t need to. The governors in a number of other states have encouraged people not to go but it’s a free country so you can‘t stop people from traveling.

 

[Slpy3270]

France reported 18,129 new cases on Thursday.

When adjusted to the US population, that would be around...90,000 cases a day.

 

[danlb_2000]

I have said it once before and I will say it again. NO ONE IS LIVING IN FEAR. I don't call wearing a mask, practicing social distancing and doing just about everything I did before Covid living in fear. Can we just stop with this fear non sense

People who wear sunscreen and quit smoking are just living in fear of cancer.

 

[Rich Brownn]

UV light is shown to kill the virus no?

UV-C does. UV-A and B are not effective. UV-C however, burns you to a scrip in minutes if not seconds. Fortunetly UV-C is filtered out in the atmosphere

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

That's what I'm saying. So many keep calling what you're saying living in fear. I never said everything is fine. No life is not quite the same but majority aren't living in fear but trying to live their life the best they can.

I’m with you. Obviously, 2020 is not how I had planned it, and there are things that I don’t feel comfortable doing. But that’s my choice.

I miss going to my coffee shop and just hanging out. They are open with limited seating and outdoor seating but I choose to buy their beans and make the coffee myself. That’s my choice.

There is a nice middle ground between California and Florida.