Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Lilofan

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My husband got the word today he should be keeping his job. He’s relieved and at the same time devastated for some of his coworkers. I tend to be selfish when it comes to my family (aka I was more worried about our situation than everyone else’s) but right now? I am just sickened by all the lay offs that happened today. Everyone has a story. Everyone has their own personal need for their job. Am I 100% sure this could have been prevented? No. I’m not a psychic. Do I *think* with better leadership that we could have swiftly shut down across the board (instead of letting the states decide individually) and opened uniformly and slowly... and avoided these massive losses of jobs? Yeah I do. The problem is the extended nature of these closures and lack of normalcy. If we had acted swiftly and timely ... from when our leaders knew of this and down played it.... I don’t think we’d be in this bad of a situation.
Your husband is a very lucky guy so good for him. Iger has been talking and envisioning a more leaner and more efficient company for the last two years. Apparently his words were not taken too seriously.
 

Jwink

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Your husband is a very lucky guy so good for him. Iger has been talking and envisioning a more leaner and more efficient company for the last two years. Apparently his words were not taken too seriously.
Do you mean he intended to and wanted to down size prior to this? And that’s why so many lay offs (in other words he wanted to stop hiring or run it differently so if something like a pandemic happened they’d be in a better position?)
 

Kevin_W

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UV-C is electromagnetic radiation that literally destroys viruses. It also destroys cells and can burn your skin rather quickly.

With the exception of far UV-c (~222 nm wavelength). There have been a bunch of studies in the past few years showing that 222 nm is effective at killing germs, but still safe for humans.

Unfortunately, it appears that far UV-C is expensive and difficult to implement (wavelengths do not travel far in air). People are working on developing 222nm LED's, which would be a huge breakthrough, but those don't exist yet.
 

DBM

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Fear

I read that word in a few posts this morning. When does a person doing what they perceive as right become a fear?

is it of death there is no fear? Would you stand in the middle of a highway in rush hour traffic because some statistics show you only have a 5% chance of being hit?

I have a friend of a friend, never met them...but that person did have Covid in April. Recovered. Said it was horrible

a month ago, that person became short of breath again...walking from room to room was a chore. Went to See a Dr thinking covid came back...they discovered heart issues covid related that left a 20% functioning heart. And if I heard correctly, now on a list for transplant, and before covid, was a very very health oriented person

now you don’t know this person, neither do I...but Dr said it was attributed to covid

why would anyone want to put their family at risk for this? Your wife? Husband? Children? Parents?

it’s not fear. Stop using that word.

In WW2, Germans bombed London....all
Lights were kept off.....OH, except for that one guy who said “stop living in fear...turn your lights on”. Haha

as far as Florida’s decision to open...I think it’s too soon. Maybe a bit Election Day related, but I won’t go there
CDC say that only 6% of total deaths were from only covid. The rest dies from other causes but also tested positive for the virus. I'm not going to live in fear of this thing. It's your choice. I know of several who contracted the virus and got over it. This is probably one of our countries most irrational responses to a virus we have ever seen. If your afraid stay in your house. I choose to live my life however long it may be. By the way, I am an infectious disease researcher.
 

MisterPenguin

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ImperfectPixie

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CDC say that only 6% of total deaths were from only covid. The rest dies from other causes but also tested positive for the virus. I'm not going to live in fear of this thing. It's your choice. I know of several who contracted the virus and got over it. This is probably one of our countries most irrational responses to a virus we have ever seen. If your afraid stay in your house. I choose to live my life however long it may be. By the way, I am an infectious disease researcher.
For the billionth time...those "other conditions" didn't kill those people. People live with the pre-existing conditions for DECADES. COVID killed those people.
 

MisterPenguin

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CDC say that only 6% of total deaths were from only covid. The rest dies from other causes but also tested positive for the virus. I'm not going to live in fear of this thing. It's your choice. I know of several who contracted the virus and got over it. This is probably one of our countries most irrational responses to a virus we have ever seen. If your afraid stay in your house. I choose to live my life however long it may be. By the way, I am an infectious disease researcher.
And we're dealing again with this attempt to trivialize COVID deaths by discounting the deaths with comorbidities.

Let's say there is this couple: one has diabetes, the other doesn't.

They catch COVID. They both die.

To say that only the one who didn't have diabetes was *truly* a COVID death, but the one who had diabetes didn't *really* die of COVID is the height of stupidity.

And yet, that's what those who discount comorbidity deaths are saying.

In all the annals of medical history when we report the deaths from plague and small pox and ebola and other deadly diseases, we have never teased out from those figures those who had comorbidities... because that would be stupid.

It is only now, in this politicized era where there is a group of people desperately trying to downplay the death of over two hundred and twenty thousand Americans (and over a million people worldwide) is anyone at anytime making a distinction between "real COVID deaths" and... I don't know what they would call it... a million extra *coincidental* deaths?

That is never how public health officials and policy ever did it. For good reason.

This is just another form of science denial. We've already dealt with the six-percenter conspiracy nuts in this thread twice already. It looks really bad on someone who claims to be an infectious disease researcher. Sue your university for failing to teach you proper epidemiology.
 

DBM

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And we're dealing again with this attempt to trivialize COVID deaths by discounting the deaths with comorbidities.

Let's say there is this couple: one has diabetes, the other doesn't.

They catch COVID. They both die.

To say that only the one who didn't have diabetes was *truly* a COVID death, but the one who had diabetes didn't *really* die of COVID is the height of stupidity.

And yet, that's what those who discount comorbidity deaths are saying.

In all the annals of medical history when we report the deaths from plague and small pox and ebola and other deadly diseases, we have never teased out from those figures those who had comorbidities... because that would be stupid.

It is only now, in this politicized era where there is a group of people desperately trying to downplay the death of over two hundred and twenty thousand Americans (and over a million people worldwide) is anyone at anytime making a distinction between "real COVID deaths" and... I don't know what they would call it... a million extra *coincidental* deaths?

That is never how public health officials and policy ever did it. For good reason.

This is just another form of science denial. We've already dealt with the six-percenter conspiracy nuts in this thread twice already. It looks really bad on someone who claims to be an infectious disease researcher. Sue your university for failing to teach you proper epidemiology.
Stay home!
 

Lilofan

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Do you mean he intended to and wanted to down size prior to this? And that’s why so many lay offs (in other words he wanted to stop hiring or run it differently so if something like a pandemic happened they’d be in a better position?)
He was talking about his vision in interviews and Wall Street conference calls. The execs used covid, CA governor reluctant to open DLR as reasons but all will have different viewpoints on this.
 

DisneyCane

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its the steroids he is feeling..covid will hug your lungs and heart and not let go..
sad really
Do you realize that a huge percentage of people that get surgery are given that steroid? Do you see people recovering from surgery in a state of euphoria normally?

Also, if that was true then just give dexamethasone to all COVID patients and they'll be fine. Don't post uninformed opinions as if they are a fact.
 

Heppenheimer

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And we're dealing again with this attempt to trivialize COVID deaths by discounting the deaths with comorbidities.

Let's say there is this couple: one has diabetes, the other doesn't.

They catch COVID. They both die.

To say that only the one who didn't have diabetes was *truly* a COVID death, but the one who had diabetes didn't *really* die of COVID is the height of stupidity.

And yet, that's what those who discount comorbidity deaths are saying.

In all the annals of medical history when we report the deaths from plague and small pox and ebola and other deadly diseases, we have never teased out from those figures those who had comorbidities... because that would be stupid.

It is only now, in this politicized era where there is a group of people desperately trying to downplay the death of over two hundred and twenty thousand Americans (and over a million people worldwide) is anyone at anytime making a distinction between "real COVID deaths" and... I don't know what they would call it... a million extra *coincidental* deaths?

That is never how public health officials and policy ever did it. For good reason.

This is just another form of science denial. We've already dealt with the six-percenter conspiracy nuts in this thread twice already. It looks really bad on someone who claims to be an infectious disease researcher. Sue your university for failing to teach you proper epidemiology.
Although I generally agree with your statement, we always research comorbidities with any disease. This gives us valuable information on who is most vulnerable and it informs both treatment guidelines and public health measures.

But the COVID-19 pandemic seems to be the first time the public has zeroed in on the comorbidities data, and and some of have tried to distort the information for political purposes. This "They died of something else!" garbage is getting tiresome.
 

Heppenheimer

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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet in this forum, but I wonder if this will change any minds amongst the population of Florida:

 

danlb_2000

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CDC say that only 6% of total deaths were from only covid. The rest dies from other causes but also tested positive for the virus. I'm not going to live in fear of this thing. It's your choice. I know of several who contracted the virus and got over it. This is probably one of our countries most irrational responses to a virus we have ever seen. If your afraid stay in your house. I choose to live my life however long it may be. By the way, I am an infectious disease researcher.

Bringing up the 6% number tells me you are not an infectious disease researcher, at least not a good one. The statement "CDC say that only 6% of total deaths were from only covid" is incorrect. The CDC said that 6% of death certificates ONLY listed covid. Since covid kills by causing the failure of one or more bodily system, there really shouldn't be any death certificates that lists only covid, there will always be something else.

If you look at the full list of causes listed on the death certificate, you will find that a lot of them were things that were caused by the virus. If a person had "respiratory arrest" listed on the death certificate, meaning they stopped breathing, it's pretty likely that it was the virus that lead to that. Even people with true pre-existing conditions, diabetes for example, could have continued to live for many years with that condition if they had not caught the virus.

Bottom line, most (although probably not all) of the people who have died from covid would probably be alive today if it had not caught the virus.
 
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