Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

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I wouldn’t expect one to mimic the other at all. Logistically, they are completely different. Not to mention we have actually had experience with mass vaccine distribution. It’s gonna be a pain but it will be fine at be end. Well, once we have one.
The CDC will also be taking the lead on distribution and partnering more with private industry. The issues with testing, especially in the beginning revolved around lab capacity. We won’t have that issue. The refrigeration could present a problem, but theres time for the companies to make the vaccine more stable at higher temperatures without impacting its effectiveness.
 

Lora Baines Bradley

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Had to do a double take just now with this ad...
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Touchdown

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hopemax

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Rut roh

Was hopping on to post, but you beat me too it. It sounds like it's a routine stoppage, and could have been predicted that there would be something that would pop up to slow down things that would disrupt the optimistic timelines some have in their heads. People should expect some speed bumps, IMO. Hopefully, it is just a non-Covid related illness, not related to the vaccine development and after the appropriate period of review, things can get restarted. But the whole world will be watching very carefully.

"The spokesperson described the pause as “a routine action which has to happen whenever there is a potentially unexplained illness in one of the trials, while it is investigated, ensuring we maintain the integrity of the trials.” The spokesperson also said that the company is “working to expedite the review of the single event to minimize any potential impact on the trial timeline.” "
 

JoeCamel

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Was hopping on to post, but you beat me too it. It sounds like it's a routine stoppage, and could have been predicted that there would be something that would pop up to slow down things that would disrupt the optimistic timelines some have in their heads. People should expect some speed bumps, IMO. Hopefully, it is just a non-Covid related illness, not related to the vaccine development and after the appropriate period of review, things can get restarted. But the whole world will be watching very carefully.

"The spokesperson described the pause as “a routine action which has to happen whenever there is a potentially unexplained illness in one of the trials, while it is investigated, ensuring we maintain the integrity of the trials.” The spokesperson also said that the company is “working to expedite the review of the single event to minimize any potential impact on the trial timeline.” "
How do you pause the trial if you have already received the vaccine? Too bad for the ones that had the shot and you just stop giving them more?
 

GimpYancIent

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I don’t remember vaccinations for H1N1 at all. I certainly didn’t get one. Won’t get one for COVID-19 either, but don’t object to others doing it if they want.
Good question. Then there is the what happened to the deadly Zika virus? Let's face it COVID19 is going to spread through out the global community and when that is complete the community spread issue will have been addressed.
 

GoofGoof

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How do you pause the trial if you have already received the vaccine? Too bad for the ones that had the shot and you just stop giving them more?
The US trial started recently so they weren’t even halfway done signing people up. A pause means nobody else gets vaccinated until they look for repeat occurrences. Remember that a trial participant is a person going about normal life so there’s no guarantee that the adverse reaction is directly related to the vaccine itself. It could be a coincidence. That’s why they pause and let the science play out.
 

GoofGoof

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Further details from AstraZeneca:
“As part of the ongoing randomized, controlled global trials of the Oxford coronavirus vaccine, our standard review process triggered a pause to vaccination to allow review of safety data. This is a routine action which has to happen whenever there is a potentially unexplained illness in one of the trials, while it is investigated, ensuring we maintain the integrity of the trials.”

“In large trials, illnesses will happen by chance but must be independently reviewed to check this carefully. We are working to expedite the review of the single event to minimize any potential impact on the trial timeline. We are committed to the safety of our participants and the highest standards of conduct in our trials.”
Reports are that this participant is in the U.K. but that all AstraZeneca trials worldwide are on pause just in case.
 

Heppenheimer

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Good question. Then there is the what happened to the deadly Zika virus? Let's face it COVID19 is going to spread through out the global community and when that is complete the community spread issue will have been addressed.
Zika is mosquito-borne or sexually transmitted, so not really comparable to COVID-19. And it didn't just spread througout the world then magically die out, there was a concerted global public health effort to minimize it.
 

Kevin_W

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If 300 million doses are available that means 150 million folks can get a vaccine because it will take 2 doses for each person.

Is that the case? I would assume 2 shots = 1 dose, so when they say 300 doses they mean 300 people. But I could very well be wrong.
 

lazyboy97o

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How do you pause the trial if you have already received the vaccine? Too bad for the ones that had the shot and you just stop giving them more?
It says in the article that they have stopped administering trial vaccines. They're not just abandoning those who have received the vaccine, but not adding to the number of test subjects until they can review this potential adverse outcome.
 

mmascari

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Good question. Then there is the what happened to the deadly Zika virus? Let's face it COVID19 is going to spread through out the global community and when that is complete the community spread issue will have been addressed.
What does this even mean? Is this saying eventually everyone will get it and then spread will stop because everyone has it?

If that’s what it says, that’s a horrible idea full of immense death and defeatist.

There are ways to deal with community spread that are not just infect everyone. TB is rare in the US, highly infectious, nobody in the US takes the vaccine, and yet it’s community spread is under complete control.
 

MisterPenguin

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It says in the article that they have stopped administering trial vaccines. They're not just abandoning those who have received the vaccine, but not adding to the number of test subjects until they can review this potential adverse outcome.

Indeed this is the case. Previously, they said they were still adding to their Phase 3 trial participants and that would be complete in September. So, they're not adding more participants at this time. However, they did get already a majority of the slots filled.
 

FeelsSoGoodToBeBad

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If those restrictions/protocols are lifted by Spring Break expect the most insane level of crowds imaginable.....I foresee record breaking pandemonium.
I seriously hope this isn't what happens. One of the major contributing factors in our decision to plan a WDW vacation was BECAUSE of limited crowds. If "record breaking pandemonium" appears to be on the horizon, we'll be cancelling our trip. And I REALLY don't wanna do that. :cry:
 

hopemax

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New York Times is reporting the condition is a case of transverse myelitis, which Google tells me is: inflammation of the spinal cord that can lead to muscle weakness, loss of bladder and bowel control, and paralysis. It is a side effect associated with a viral illness, and a side effect that pops up in vaccine development.


So I'm thinking, not good news. But maybe our actual medical peeps can say more.
 
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MisterPenguin

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New York Times is reporting the condition is a case of transverse myelitis, which Google tells me is: inflammation of the spinal cord that can lead to muscle weakness, loss of bladder and bowel control, and paralysis. It is a side effect associated with a viral illness, and a side effect that pops up in vaccine development.


So I'm thinking, not good news. But maybe our actual medical peeps can say more.

Well, this condititon can come about from a virus (and the vaccine is a presumably 'safe' virus) or from an immune reaction to an infection (and the vaccine is a 'safe' infection). But it can also come about from a dozen other reasons and 60% of the time, its source is unknown.

Don't know how they can pin this to the vaccine. OTOH, don't know what the established criteria is for halting the vaccine: For example, how many cases of a reaction like this would indicate a link? Does it need to be more than one? Is this serious enough to stop the vaccine? These are things I don't know.
 
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