xdan0920
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That’s technically true. But practically false. We do know what the virus will do to most people, nothing. Data! Science!
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kong1802
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And that's a good reasoned take.
We have passed the point of having a good plan out of the gates. I don't think that's debatable.
I think the more coordinated effort we started to see about a month ago has helped things. Just an observable fact.
I hope it continues.
ImperfectPixie
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That's patently false. Blood clots, permanent lung and/or heart damage, neurological damage, etc.
hopemax
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Brazil Coronavirus Map and Case Count (Published 2023)
See the latest charts and maps of coronavirus cases, deaths and vaccinations in Brazil.
Explain Brazil. Their case rate keeps increasing. Sometimes they reach a plateau, but then it starts climbing again. Their death rate has been stuck in the same daily range since the end of May. When does Brazil get this relief that is inevitable because of virus mechanics, regardless of intervention? Sao Paolo has been the epicenter for a long time, but unlike NYC it is still the driver of Brazil's high numbers.
If it just happens, no interventions, it should happen in countries rich and poor, large and small. It's not. Explain why.
Is it the magical other virus that may be responsible for T-cell cross-reactivity. This virus travels the world, but that virus skipped Brazil? Not enough people brought it back with them from their WDW vacations?
FWIW, my answer is despite theoretical lockdowns and mask rules in Brazil, the people didn't "buy in," enforcement is non-existent, so human behavior did not change at the same level as in other countries. This is the result.
FWIW, my answer is despite theoretical lockdowns and mask rules in Brazil, the people didn't "buy in," enforcement is non-existent, so human behavior did not change at the same level as in other countries. This is the result.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Florida is showing us the way, right now.
ImperfectPixie
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Then go hang out in Miami.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Sure. Like every other viral and bacterial infection.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
WDW is reaping the benefits of ”the way” right now with moth balled resorts, reduced park hours and at least based on that one union 56% of the workers still out of work. Certainly not the economic nirvana we were all promised
kong1802
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Brazil Coronavirus Map and Case Count (Published 2023)
See the latest charts and maps of coronavirus cases, deaths and vaccinations in Brazil.www.nytimes.com
Explain Brazil. Their case rate keeps increasing. Sometimes they reach a plateau, but then it starts climbing again. Their death rate has been stuck in the same daily range since the end of May. When does Brazil get this relief that is inevitable because of virus mechanics, regardless of intervention? Sao Paolo has been the epicenter for a long time, but unlike NYC it is still the driver of Brazil's high numbers.
If it just happens, no interventions, it should happen in countries rich and poor, large and small. It's not. Explain why.
Is it the magical other virus that may be responsible for T-cell cross-reactivity. This virus travels the world, but that virus skipped Brazil? Not enough people brought it back with them from their WDW vacations?
FWIW, my answer is despite theoretical lockdowns and mask rules in Brazil, the people didn't "buy in," enforcement is non-existent, so human behavior did not change at the same level as in other countries. This is the result.
You already know the answer........
We skip the ones that don't fit the narrative.
ImperfectPixie
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xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Explain Peru.Brazil Coronavirus Map and Case Count (Published 2023)
See the latest charts and maps of coronavirus cases, deaths and vaccinations in Brazil.
Explain Brazil. Their case rate keeps increasing. Sometimes they reach a plateau, but then it starts climbing again. Their death rate has been stuck in the same daily range since the end of May. When does Brazil get this relief that is inevitable because of virus mechanics, regardless of intervention? Sao Paolo has been the epicenter for a long time, but unlike NYC it is still the driver of Brazil's high numbers.
If it just happens, no interventions, it should happen in countries rich and poor, large and small. It's not. Explain why.
Is it the magical other virus that may be responsible for T-cell cross-reactivity. This virus travels the world, but that virus skipped Brazil? Not enough people brought it back with them from their WDW vacations?
FWIW, my answer is despite theoretical lockdowns and mask rules in Brazil, the people didn't "buy in," enforcement is non-existent, so human behavior did not change at the same level as in other countries. This is the result.
xdan0920
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Ah, that’s true. Things aren’t perfect. Much of the country is still not allowed to travel to or from Florida. So that’s tough for A vacation destination. Luckily Florida kept their nerve, and will come out the other side of this with herd immunity. And they will be safer for it. Their economy will be stronger. Their long term health outlook will be better. And they won’t have to deal with any potential second wave.WDW is reaping the benefits of ”the way” right now with moth balled resorts, reduced park hours and at least based on that one union 56% of the workers still out of work. Certainly not the economic nirvana we were all promised
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Andrew C
You know what's funny?
That doesn’t happen to most people. A small amount, yes. To the majority. No. The vast majority come out fine. I’m not using this an excuse to do something or nothing. But this is accurate.
GoofGoof
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I hope that’s true, but it’s really nothing more than a wish. I wished the virus was seasonal and would go away in the summer, I wished the virus would just disappear like SARS (never to be seen again), I hoped those stupid models that showed no deaths by mid-July were actually going to be true. I hoped people could control themselves and follow basic safety precautions for the better of everyone. Wishing and hoping hasn’t gotten me anywhere so far with this virus but maybe this time it will.
Herd immunity hasn’t even come close to happening anywhere yet but maybe FL will be the first. It’s one hell of a gamble.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Sweden? London? New York? New Jersey?
btw....New Jersey is gaming the numbers currently, and its extremely frightening. There is no lower limit where things get back to any semblance of normal. Just know that. That’s the end game of this fear mongering. No more normal. Period. End of discussion.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
It’s a nice theory but there’s no proof there is herd immunity any of those places. I know what your theory is and it’s possible it’s true, but it’s also possible it’s not. You can’t say for sure that’s the case if you are being honest. It’s a good hope though.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Here’s the thing. The things that are unproven are the measures we put in place in March and kept in place for months. We threw out decades of epidemiological knowledge in an instant. It’s terrifying.
What makes me confident is what’s staring us all in the face. Sweden’s epidemic is over. The sunbelt is very clearly coming out of their’s. No lockdowns. New York and New Jersey aren’t spiking, aren’t surging, and if you’ve been here, you know it’s not from some compliance with distancing or mask mandates.
Hospitals were never over run in the south. There were deaths, sure, but there always are. I believe they saved lives in the long and medium term. By not locking down, by not panicking, by allowing people to function as human beings. Btw, this was always the plan for managing an epidemic. Until March that is. It’s the right way to do it.
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I think you were also asking if I would go to WDW if there weren’t travel restrictions?
The answer is no, but not fear of corona, I have been to the boardwalk near my families shore house. I don’t worry about that, but I would never, ever, pay the premium Disney charges for the experience currently on offer.
Jedijax719
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If you starve have the population and they die, it doesn't mean there was enough food for everyone.
If the virus has nobody to infect, it will burn out. That doesn't mean you reach herd immunity.
In other words, herd immunity doesn't happen JUST because the virus's spread has decreased. The virus' spread has decreased in some places because, well, the virus was somehow kept from spreading. Herd immunity is protection due to antibodies.
If the virus has nobody to infect, it will burn out. That doesn't mean you reach herd immunity.
In other words, herd immunity doesn't happen JUST because the virus's spread has decreased. The virus' spread has decreased in some places because, well, the virus was somehow kept from spreading. Herd immunity is protection due to antibodies.
RaiseTheShields
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The shelter-in-place was a failure because people got tired of staying home and leaders reopened too quickly. Now here we are with mask mandates and physical distancing with no personal responsibility or accountability from people and leaders.Erm, except, people did actually voluntarily shelter in place during the lockdown:
How Florida slowed coronavirus: Everyone stayed home before they were told to
A Tampa Bay Times data analysis and interviews with 15 experts help answer the question: Why not Florida?www.tampabay.com
Americans Didn’t Wait For Their Governors To Tell Them To Stay Home Because Of COVID-19
Graphics by Julia Wolfe A favorite new debate taking place around the Twitter hearth is whether complying with social distancing guidelines is a partisan statem…fivethirtyeight.com
People didn't wait for states to issue stay-at-home orders
Individuals, employers and local governments beat states to the punch when it came to limiting the spread of the coronavirus and shutting down much of the U.S. economy, according to a new research paper by William Luther, an assistant professor of economics in Florida Atlantic University's...medicalxpress.com
Yes, Florida's order was not as strict as say NY; and i believe the merits of what reopened when can definitely be debated (looking at you crowded bars, youth sports leagues, etc.); and we should be wearing masks, avoiding large groups, etc.
But it's not *quite* accurate to say "there wasn't really a shelter-in-place because people". People were staying home and self "locking down"
hopemax
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This Peru where 7-day averages show cases are climbing, and deaths are in a plateau?
Peru COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Peru Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
We're looking for bell curves. Peru is not that.
EDIT: Also this Peru, that just instituted new restrictions?
Peru president bans family gatherings, extends lockdowns, as coronavirus infections spike
Peruvian President Martín Vizcarra on Wednesday banned family gatherings and extended lockdowns to five more regions of the country amid a fresh spike in cases of the novel coronavirus.
www.reuters.com
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