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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion
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RaiseTheShields
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Sailed and failed. Except that there wasn’t really a lockdown - just a shelter-in-place. And there wasn’t really a shelter-in-place because people and leaders.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
You’re wrong, but it’s irrelevant. The sunbelt is showing the rest of the country how to handle this correctly. If only they would take heed.
Beacon Joe
Well-Known Member
Alright, it's officially been four weeks since I last drank from water fountains at WDW parks. Am I dead from the Coof, yet? 
ImperfectPixie
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RaiseTheShields
Active Member
I wonder what it smells like
JoeCamel
Well-Known Member
Chicken.....I wonder what it smells like
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Virus is going to virus so let's not do anything.
RaiseTheShields
Active Member
I could find it relevant that you think I’m wrong, but I don’t.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Does that mean they get a lot of false positives?
RaiseTheShields
Active Member
Not tastes like....
kong1802
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It's the same old posting of opinions as fact.
Wild conjecture for conjecture sake - no evidence.
I'm sure there's an onlyIknowthetruth.com article coming shortly, lol
SamusAranX
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Do you have concrete, tangible evidence of this?
I think in the initial short term, lockdowns help. But virtually every area that reopened slower and later then Florida is seeing second waves and spikes, albeit smaller then the first wave. Even with widespread mask usage and social distancing. We will need to wait a long time before declaring it, but between that and Sweden's example, it may just be that the virus is 'burning out'. Without the need for second, third, fourth, etc. lockdowns
SamusAranX
Well-Known Member
Again, and I am not trying to be flippant, but you need to provide statistical or tangible proof of "californians traveling out of state" and the correlation to the curve failing to flatten rather then slowly descend.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
No. Not opinions. Actual observable facts. At least on my end. Luckily for you, you can spout hopes and dreams and ifs and thens and call those facts. If only we’d mask up harder! If only we’d lock down more! Then the virus would give up!
Btw. What happened to the overwhelmed hospitals and bodies in the streets in Florida and Texas and Arizona?
SamusAranX
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Erm, except, people did actually voluntarily shelter in place during the lockdown:
How Florida slowed coronavirus: Everyone stayed home before they were told to
A Tampa Bay Times data analysis and interviews with 15 experts help answer the question: Why not Florida?
www.tampabay.com
Americans Didn’t Wait For Their Governors To Tell Them To Stay Home Because Of COVID-19
Graphics by Julia Wolfe A favorite new debate taking place around the Twitter hearth is whether complying with social distancing guidelines is a partisan statem…
fivethirtyeight.com
People didn't wait for states to issue stay-at-home orders
Individuals, employers and local governments beat states to the punch when it came to limiting the spread of the coronavirus and shutting down much of the U.S. economy, according to a new research paper by William Luther, an assistant professor of economics in Florida Atlantic University's...
Yes, Florida's order was not as strict as say NY; and i believe the merits of what reopened when can definitely be debated (looking at you crowded bars, youth sports leagues, etc.); and we should be wearing masks, avoiding large groups, etc.
But it's not *quite* accurate to say "there wasn't really a shelter-in-place because people". People were staying home and self "locking down"
ImperfectPixie
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Something you seem to fail to grasp is that the virus is basically like involuntary Russian roulette. No one knows ahead of time how it will affect them.
Chi84
Premium Member
Too many people are ignoring reality. Complete shelter in place and mandatory mask orders would have (probably) curtailed the virus, but that’s beside the point because this wasn’t done and it likely wasn’t even realistic. Why keep posting ad nauseam that we would be in a better place if it weren’t for all those selfish “stupid” people who won’t comply? Placing blame may make you feel better, but it does no good.
When I initially questioned the effectiveness of masks, the answers all addressed how great things would be if everyone wore them correctly whenever they went out. When I dared question if any experts had an opinion of their effectiveness in the real world where less than half the people wear them and those who do often wear them incorrectly, the answers were pretty much “You’re a stupid selfish person who doesn’t care how many people you kill.” I never once said I opposed masks or wouldn’t wear them.
No one knows enough about this virus to say with certainty how it’s going to behave, and posting the same opinion hundreds of times and berating others doesn’t make one’s opinion more valid. I’m hoping for government officials and experts in the field to come up with realistic ways to move forward, given the fact that people are going to act like people.
When I initially questioned the effectiveness of masks, the answers all addressed how great things would be if everyone wore them correctly whenever they went out. When I dared question if any experts had an opinion of their effectiveness in the real world where less than half the people wear them and those who do often wear them incorrectly, the answers were pretty much “You’re a stupid selfish person who doesn’t care how many people you kill.” I never once said I opposed masks or wouldn’t wear them.
No one knows enough about this virus to say with certainty how it’s going to behave, and posting the same opinion hundreds of times and berating others doesn’t make one’s opinion more valid. I’m hoping for government officials and experts in the field to come up with realistic ways to move forward, given the fact that people are going to act like people.
Jrb1979
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We will probably never know if that's the case. I'm just looking at differences in what's been done. Everything is open here and has been for almost a month. Our cases haven't spiked from it. The only difference is that the majority here aren't traveling out of province.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
That’s technically true. But practically false. We do know what the virus will do to most people, nothing. Data! Science!
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