Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Andrew C]

seems like it to me

they locked down early which turned out to be before the virus established itself (like in the northeast)

then they opened too quickly without adequate contact tracing, testing, masking, etc which is causing the virus burn through the population

Not exactly. But how it went down varied state by state.

 

[Jedijax719]

Does DeSantis really want schools to open everywhere in Florida in a few weeks?

Miami-Dade????

 

[TrojanUSC]

You're really not correct. In late March and most if not all of April very little was open and essentially we were in a lockdown. We did not do a half shut down in most of the country.

As for loved ones dying that really is a part of life. Would I be happy, no? And I am lucky enough that none of my loved ones has died from COVID but I wouldn't blame the government for it even if they did. I had COVID at the very beginning of this - mid-March - and still have some lingering issues but I don't blame anyone for that. This is what happens in life - you need to roll with the punches.

The locking down of the country/world was prudent in the beginning as we really didn't know much about the disease. Now we know so much more, have some good idea of what treatments work, what treatments don't work. At this point we need to just be smart but even that is not a guarantee of not getting this virus.

Even countries that have had very low rates of infections have had increases in cases. So you can do everything right and still have spread. SO then the question becomes how do we move forward? We just keep moving forward and allow people to live their lives as safely as possible.

Sorry we did a "half shut down." Please take a look at what our peers did vs. what we did. Florida was "closed" for basically a month, which is not nearly enough time to crush the virus. Further, people were still out at grocery stores, at Walmart, in "essential" offices,

Other places seeing "increases" are seeing hundreds of cases. We are seeing tens of thousands a day.

 

[chrisvee]

Not exactly. But how it went down varied state by state.

it’s regional, how it’s unfolding in the US is regional not national

starts to establish on west coast from China and in Northeast from Europe in Feb

shutdown in mid-March slows the spread in harder hit regions and helps spare other regions from the worst

re-openings happen based on differing regional approaches

virus explodes again in regions with lighter restrictions

anyway back to the OP who seemed to be advocating against shutdowns due to Sweden’s less restrictive approach...my point is feel free to look to see how the Southeast and Southwest are faring with lesser restrictions

 

[Andrew C]

it’s regional, how it’s unfolding in the US is regional not national

starts to establish on west coast from China and in Northeast from Europe in Feb

shutdown in mid-March slows the spread in harder hit regions and helps spare other regions from the worst

re-openings happen based on differing regional approaches

virus explodes again in regions with lighter restrictions

anyway back to the OP who seemed to be advocating against shutdowns due to Sweden’s less restrictive approach...my point is feel free to look to see how the Southeast and Southwest are faring with lesser restrictions

Reopenings differed by state. There wasn’t a clear cut regional approach for them. For example, how Georgia started reopening wasn’t the same as how Texas started reopening. Texas met the requirements for the initial reopening. Georgia didn’t. The way Florida handled reopening also differed. And California did it’s own thing. Heck, Louisiana actually got hit really early. Then it came down and is now back up again for them. I know it’s easy to put the southern states in a bloc because many are dealing with similar issues, but they each had their own strategy. And not all got hit at the same time.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Europe is getting a bit more worried each day now. Cases are starting to rise again. Some countries are shuttering/limiting businesses again. It seems a second wave for them is inevitable.

Indeed. Just before this started getting reported, I was noticing where I live in The Netherlands that everyone was behaving like covid was over and completely ignoring social distancing. Shops were packed, people were crowding on to the escalators, etc. It gets overlooked being wedged between Belgium and Germany, but The Netherlands is an interesting case of a country that did some but not all the lockdown measures (e.g. we were never told to wear masks except on public transport and stores stayed open unless they chose to close). My impression is that it was somewhere between the lockdown and Swedish models. The results were... mixed.

Of course, now things have opened up and cases are steadily rising again in The Netherlands as elsewhere and there's debate about whether to mandate masks. The health authorities so far are still advising against it.

I'm in Palermo, Italy at the moment and the compliance with masks and social distancing is decidedly mixed. Sicily never had that many cases compared to the rest of Italy and, so far, Italy seems to be doing better than most of Europe. Still, I can see why it took a full lockdown to control the virus during the first wave and can imagine it coming to that again.

 

[chrisvee]

Reopenings differed by state. There wasn’t a clear cut regional approach for them. For example, how Georgia started reopening wasn’t the same as how Texas started reopening. Texas met the requirements for the initial reopening. Georgia didn’t. The way Florida handled reopening also differed. And California did it’s own thing. Heck, Louisiana actually got hit really early. Then it came down and is now back up again for them. I know it’s easy to put the southern states in a bloc because many are dealing with similar issues, but they each had their own strategy. And not all got hit at the same time.

I will leave this for the data scientists to explain eventually

 

[chrisvee]

I think we are talking about two separate things. But okay.

you don’t think we’ll be able to paint the picture through data of how the virus spread, ebbed, and impacted people over time through the country including how certain outbreaks were connected via travel patterns, correlated to mask usage, reopening criteria, political affiliation of state leadership, etc?

 

[Andrew C]

you don’t think we’ll be able to paint the picture through data of how the virus spread, ebbed, and impacted people over time through the country including how certain outbreaks were connected via travel patterns, correlated to mask usage, reopening criteria, political affiliation of state leadership, etc?

Some of that yes.

 

[GoofGoof]

Reopenings differed by state. There wasn’t a clear cut regional approach for them. For example, how Georgia started reopening wasn’t the same as how Texas started reopening. Texas met the requirements for the initial reopening. Georgia didn’t. The way Florida handled reopening also differed. And California did it’s own thing. Heck, Louisiana actually got hit really early. Then it came down and is now back up again for them. I know it’s easy to put the southern states in a bloc because many are dealing with similar issues, but they each had their own strategy. And not all got hit at the same time.

The plans were all at the state level and all different to some extent but across the most recent hot spots the things that were consistent were:

1. No masks at the state level - including CA which only required masks after the outbreak was raging
2. Bars and indoor dining were opened without masks or in some cases physical distancing (also includes CA)
3. In general the pace was rushed. Instead of waiting 3 or 4 weeks between phases in a lot of places they saw no issues after a week so ramped up more - including CA

As you pointed out places like TX and CA had met the requirements to re-open but got a little over confident and rushed it. Both governors admit to this mistake and have pivoted to plans to correct it. I only point out those 2 states to show it’s not just politics. Governors from both parties made the same mistakes.

 

[RaiseTheShields]

Techs make more than most hourly workers. There are many cast that still make less than $14 per hour. It doesn’t increase to $14 until October. Your total of $560 is wrong because first of all many do make less than $14, and you are assuming 40 hours which is not guaranteed. Many cast members are currently only being scheduled the required 32. So I stand by what I said because it is 100% true. Most Disney cast members do not make more then $475 and most take home even less after taxes and insurance.

Techs make way more than most cast - especially a topped out level 1 tech. Some Maintenance workers make way more than a topped out level 1 tech. As far as I know, both of these departments are still getting 40hrs.

But yeah, for most cast right now, Peter is right. I would almost venture to say $275 is closer to the average cm take home after all payroll deductions and commuting expenses on a 32hr week.

 

[DCBaker]

How many of the total sites are state supported sites?

30 state-supported sites.

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[Andrew C]

Is Florida the worst for cases as a percentage of population? I know most states are increasing right now so if someone is doing worse, I feel like I want to dunk on them for a while. So whats going on in New Mexico, Nevada and Montana?

 

[RaiseTheShields]

You're really not correct. In late March and most if not all of April very little was open and essentially we were in a lockdown. We did not do a half shut down in most of the country.

As for loved ones dying that really is a part of life. Would I be happy, no? And I am lucky enough that none of my loved ones has died from COVID but I wouldn't blame the government for it even if they did. I had COVID at the very beginning of this - mid-March - and still have some lingering issues but I don't blame anyone for that. This is what happens in life - you need to roll with the punches.

The locking down of the country/world was prudent in the beginning as we really didn't know much about the disease. Now we know so much more, have some good idea of what treatments work, what treatments don't work. At this point we need to just be smart but even that is not a guarantee of not getting this virus.

Even countries that have had very low rates of infections have had increases in cases. So you can do everything right and still have spread. SO then the question becomes how do we move forward? We just keep moving forward and allow people to live their lives as safely as possible.

You need to take that “it’s not the government’s fault” crap to the politics forum before it gets political up in here. Too late - it is the government’s fault

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Our version of a lockdown here in the US is what many European countries were doing during their "opening up" phase.

 

[GoofGoof]

Is Florida the worst for cases as a percentage of population? I know most states are increasing right now so if someone is doing worse, I feel like I want to dunk on them for a while. So whats going on in New Mexico, Nevada and Montana?

Not the worst. Louisiana and Arizona are still worse adjusted for population and NY as well but that’s mostly from March/April. Current hot spots in Alabama, SC and Georgia are moving up the ranks.

 

[lisa12000]

So you can see what’s happening in Florida, Texas and parts of Europe and are complaining about local lockdown and increasing limits here in the U.K. Why do you think your localised cases are dropping? Is it because people are allowed to go about their business and life as if there is no risk? Or is it, as I believe, because of local “Draconian measures” for individuals and regions, limiting meetings, closing gyms etc.? When the numbers subside sufficiently places will open again and hopefully more people will be willing to be abide by the common sense idea of hand washing, face masks and maintaining distance. I know it’s frustrating and inconvenient and when the outbreak may be primarily affecting one specific community which you may or may not have much direct contact with but the measures are designed to maintain the lack of contact and to limit infection and death within that community.
Personally we have had 3 confirmed cases from staff at a bar just half a mile from our house in the last 2 days and would welcome a timed, short term lockdown. I believe it is madness to ignore localised spikes and more likely to succeed in enabling us to open up as a country if they are used as targeted strategic measures.
The sad truth is that no one knows for certain which is the most effective method of limiting the spread, damage and death that Covid 19 is causing. I prefer to remain cautious because of age and underlying health conditions but am aware that some feel that the “risk” is negligible to them and feel that living their lives is a legitimate priority.

right I’ll answer this as you decided to throw an angry face at my message without actually understanding it properly!

there were no restrictions put in place whilst there was a spike! They continually said there was no major concern and they were monitoring. They put in new testing centres and mass tested lots of people in three days in the town - despite the extra testing within the outbreak area they found a total of three extra cases from that testing! Without restrictions the numbers fell from 27 in 100,000 to 6.4 after today’s numbers - despite this drop in cases they NOW decide to put in more restrictions including closing the parks at 7pm! Restricting businesses and other measures! How is this justified when our rolling average of number of cases is about 0.8 a day? When it was 5 a day maybe but not when it has dropped so far despite mass testing in the outbreak areas! Our local media has gone mental - they report on historical data as new cases, constantly say we are on a verge of a local lockdown! Seriously!! Our town is dead as it is! No one is using the shops, businesses are failing everywhere, our pubs are empty our churches are still shut and now thetre closing our parks and threatening that our schools won’t go back unless we behave ourselves! Again for 6 cases in a week!

and I’m sorry if you truly believe that for three cases you want a timed local lockdown then I’m afraid nowhere will ever stay open and there will be nothing left when you finally want to live again! I’m fully supportive of local lockdowns in the case of blackburn - but even they were sensible and mass tested and tried to give two weeks before other measures would come in! Our figures have dropped like a stone and yet they are still threatening us like children! I mean they even closed the public toilets in the town centre again!

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Florida Will Pause Coronavirus Testing Due To Impending Storm

After the state's testing sites close Thursday evening, they won't reopen until at least Tuesday morning — part of the safety precautions for Tropical Storm Isaias.

www.npr.org

 

[RaiseTheShields]

right I’ll answer this as you decided to throw an angry face at my message without actually understanding it properly!

there were no restrictions put in place whilst there was a spike! They continually said there was no major concern and they were monitoring. They put in new testing centres and mass tested lots of people in three days in the town - despite the extra testing within the outbreak area they found a total of three extra cases from that testing! Without restrictions the numbers fell from 27 in 100,000 to 6.4 after today’s numbers - despite this drop in cases they NOW decide to put in more restrictions including closing the parks at 7pm! Restricting businesses and other measures! How is this justified when our rolling average of number of cases is about 0.8 a day? When it was 5 a day maybe but not when it has dropped so far despite mass testing in the outbreak areas! Our local media has gone mental - they report on historical data as new cases, constantly say we are on a verge of a local lockdown! Seriously!! Our town is dead as it is! No one is using the shops, businesses are failing everywhere, our pubs are empty our churches are still shut and now thetre closing our parks and threatening that our schools won’t go back unless we behave ourselves! Again for 6 cases in a week!

and I’m sorry if you truly believe that for three cases you want a timed local lockdown then I’m afraid nowhere will ever stay open and there will be nothing left when you finally want to live again! I’m fully supportive of local lockdowns in the case of blackburn - but even they were sensible and mass tested and tried to give two weeks before other measures would come in! Our figures have dropped like a stone and yet they are still threatening us like children! I mean they even closed the public toilets in the town centre again!

My goodness. That is a lot of exclamation points.

 

[lisa12000]

My goodness. That is a lot of exclamation points.

Oops haha didn’t even realise I’d done it. It’s late, I’ve just come back from a Fab holiday at Disneyland Paris and I’m tired and grumpy to be home .