Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[oceanbreeze77]

Difference is- they’ll do something about it

we need a world wide effort to eradicate it. USA included.

 

[Andrew C]

Difference is- they’ll do something about it

They did some pretty stringent lockdowns. And now, they are worried about people complying and taking this uptick seriously

 

[Andrew C]

we need a world wide effort to eradicate it. USA included.

That’s really what the vaccine is for. And it’s happening.

 

[Heppenheimer]

we need a world wide effort to eradicate it. USA included.

Hmm, if only there was some organization that allowed the international community to cooperate on health matters... some kind of world health organization.

 

[peter11435]

Actually, it’s not. It’s about half what most techs I know make. Maybe your college kids or folks just starting out but $14 is the starting wage now. In 1 year it will be $15. So $560 is the LEAST they make... but they get increases until they top out.

Techs make more than most hourly workers. There are many cast that still make less than $14 per hour. It doesn’t increase to $14 until October. Your total of $560 is wrong because first of all many do make less than $14, and you are assuming 40 hours which is not guaranteed. Many cast members are currently only being scheduled the required 32. So I stand by what I said because it is 100% true. Most Disney cast members do not make more then $475 and most take home even less after taxes and insurance.

 

[GoofGoof]

That’s really what the vaccine is for. And it’s happening.

If a vaccine doesn’t pan out it will not be due to lack of effort or lack of funding. It is quite Impressive to see the worldwide push towards vaccine research.

 

[peter11435]

Disney starts at $14 - that’s $560 a week

Starting pay does not increase to $14 until October 2020.

And even then it’s only $560 if you are scheduled 40 hours which is not guaranteed and that is before you are hit with taxes and deductions.

 

[Flugell]

how I wish the uk government had stuck to their plan! Our infection rates were dropping prior to our lockdown it has been shown just by social distancing and washing hands! Meanwhile our case numbers aren’t going down and our government are putting in increasingly draconian measures for individuals and regions! And also allowing local councils to do what they want basically including not allowing families to meet, keeping parks closed and not opening gyms etc with no consultation and no discussion

we had a small outbreak in my local down - we have 64 cases in 4 weeks primarily in BAME areas with high density housing - of those 64 only 6 were last week and our rate of infection is now below the national average - yet our council are going to limit people In shops more, restrict access to local parks and even close down businesses! For a total of 5 cases in a week and a drop in rate of infection from 27 to 7! Madness

So you can see what’s happening in Florida, Texas and parts of Europe and are complaining about local lockdown and increasing limits here in the U.K. Why do you think your localised cases are dropping? Is it because people are allowed to go about their business and life as if there is no risk? Or is it, as I believe, because of local “Draconian measures” for individuals and regions, limiting meetings, closing gyms etc.? When the numbers subside sufficiently places will open again and hopefully more people will be willing to be abide by the common sense idea of hand washing, face masks and maintaining distance. I know it’s frustrating and inconvenient and when the outbreak may be primarily affecting one specific community which you may or may not have much direct contact with but the measures are designed to maintain the lack of contact and to limit infection and death within that community.
Personally we have had 3 confirmed cases from staff at a bar just half a mile from our house in the last 2 days and would welcome a timed, short term lockdown. I believe it is madness to ignore localised spikes and more likely to succeed in enabling us to open up as a country if they are used as targeted strategic measures.
The sad truth is that no one knows for certain which is the most effective method of limiting the spread, damage and death that Covid 19 is causing. I prefer to remain cautious because of age and underlying health conditions but am aware that some feel that the “risk” is negligible to them and feel that living their lives is a legitimate priority.

 

[hopemax]

Checking in on this for @Kevin_W

Today's total number says: 3,485,141

Difference: 48,871

Covid Tracker: 44,994

So, still not the same, but a lot closer number than the Daily Report's ~90K. There is a note on Covid Tracker that says something about FL's number not being entirely "de-duplicated" so maybe they have a process for cleaning that up?

Interesting if half the tests are retests. The more testing capacity is eaten up by retesting current patients, puts pressure on the ability to look for new cases in a timely manner.

Also, this is more "the other thread" thing, but with today's death tally going up by quite a lot. FL broke the "100 deaths on one day" on 7/7 and it has remained above 100, on 9 of the next 12 days. 3 of the days were in the 80s. The high is 117 on both 7/11 & 7/12. Still taking at least a week for deaths to be near "fully recorded."

Checking in on this again:

Today: 3,531,721
Difference: 46,580
Covid Tracking: 48,802

This time, Covid Tracking is higher than the change on the Testing tab on the Dashboard, so I'm still not sure where exactly Covid Tracking is pulling their numbers. But there is still closer correlation between the change on the Dashboard tab and CT, than the Daily Report and CT.

Checking in on that 216 death tally. The new daily high is 123 deaths on 7/15. There are 4 days at 120 or higher, 11 days above 100.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Checking in on this again:

Today: 3,531,721
Difference: 46,580
Covid Tracking: 48,802

This time, Covid Tracking is higher than the change on the Testing tab on the Dashboard, so I'm still not sure where exactly Covid Tracking is pulling their numbers. But there is still closer correlation between the change on the Dashboard tab and CT, than the Daily Report and CT.

Checking in on that 216 death tally. The new daily high is 123 deaths on 7/15. There are 4 days at 120 or higher, 11 days above 100.

That death tally is ugly no mater what day it is lately.

 

[Patcheslee]

475 week is enough for many FL to get by on.
You cant take a vacay every 6months but that's not the point.

Comforting to know only households with 4 people or more in Florida at that income are considered living in poverty

 

[xdan0920]

We don’t need to wait that long to check out how they did, but you do bring up another point.The economy tanked just like the rest of the world that locked down. Neighboring countries..Denmark,Norway,Finland all together had barely a thousand deaths. Sweden with a population of 10 million has surpassed the 5,000 death mark. So if you don’t mind many deaths, and your economy tanking, Sweden is the way to go. And on top of that they still tried social distancing and a few other measures. There was a reason neighboring countries closed their borders to them. Here’s a article from June, the same guy who was touting how they did earlier saying they made mistakes.

Coronavirus: Sweden's Tegnell admits too many died - BBC News

Anders Tegnell says more should have been done early on to stem coronavirus in Sweden.

www.google.com

It’s not June anymore. It’s the end of July. And his mistake was not protecting nursing homes. Try and keep up.

 

[Tink242424]

A lot of professionals agree, we need a full shutdown. I get it that we can't keep things closed forever, but I truly believe that if we did a hard shutdown for a month or 2, we could have our economy going again by the holidays. I know a lot of people dont want this, and its not that I WANT it, but we may have to do something this drastic to defeat the virus.

But we did do that in March & April & longer in some places. This virus isn't going to go away. It is here to stay. We need to open up but do it smartly and realize that people are going to get the virus and some are going to die from it. This is life. We have other bacteria, viruses, and other diseases that infect us and sometimes kill us. We need to move forward and stop talking about shutting everything down again.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

It’s not June anymore. It’s the end of July. And his mistake was not protecting nursing homes. Try and keep up.

He realized early on what a mistake it was. Read his words. Try and keep up. He’s now in saving his a.. mode.

 

[Tink242424]

So you can see what’s happening in Florida, Texas and parts of Europe and are complaining about local lockdown and increasing limits here in the U.K. Why do you think your localised cases are dropping? Is it because people are allowed to go about their business and life as if there is no risk? Or is it, as I believe, because of local “Draconian measures” for individuals and regions, limiting meetings, closing gyms etc.? When the numbers subside sufficiently places will open again and hopefully more people will be willing to be abide by the common sense idea of hand washing, face masks and maintaining distance. I know it’s frustrating and inconvenient and when the outbreak may be primarily affecting one specific community which you may or may not have much direct contact with but the measures are designed to maintain the lack of contact and to limit infection and death within that community.
Personally we have had 3 confirmed cases from staff at a bar just half a mile from our house in the last 2 days and would welcome a timed, short term lockdown. I believe it is madness to ignore localised spikes and more likely to succeed in enabling us to open up as a country if they are used as targeted strategic measures.
The sad truth is that no one knows for certain which is the most effective method of limiting the spread, damage and death that Covid 19 is causing. I prefer to remain cautious because of age and underlying health conditions but am aware that some feel that the “risk” is negligible to them and feel that living their lives is a legitimate priority.

So do you think we should wait to reopen the economies or keep them open only when there are no new cases? In this example 6 cases is nothing. And if they are doing contact tracing and quarantining the sick people then why would you need a local shut-down? That is madness!! We are going to have no businesses when this is all over since everyone just wants to stay home and limit everything.

 

[xdan0920]

He realized early on what a mistake it was. Read his words. Try and keep up. He’s now in saving his a.. mode.

I encourage you to read his words. Not once does he say his mistake was not locking down. I’m not going to argue with you, you look at lockdowns as a religion. There’s no budging you.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I encourage you to read his words. Not once does he say his mistake was not locking down. I’m not going to argue with you, you look at lockdowns as a religion. There’s no budging you.

Again, my posts are open to everyone. Please find one that says we need to lockdown. I’ve been saying it for months, open safely and for the most part we haven’t. When there is outbreaks I said we need to pull back instead of moving forward. You must be mixing me up with someone else. As I said before, if you want your economy shot AND many deaths, do the Sweden model. It was wrong because both ends ended up badly.
As for religion, I’m not a religious guy. Unless there’s somewhere that you can watch the NFL, have a cold beer and burgers then I’m in.

 

[Patcheslee]

This is why employers need to be as flexible as possible with workers. It’s impossible with certain jobs to flex hours Or work from home, but in a lot of cases it’s doable if people think outside the box. We’re all in this together and this virtual schooling crap is a reality we all have to live with somehow.

I tried to convince my boss to let my 6th grader sit in my old cubicle (has always been unoccupied because I'm on the shop floor all day anyway) and do Elearning. She wouldn't even require walking on the shop floor, and there's a window to my work area.
It was all in jest of "think outside the box" options if schools do Elearning long term. But it would actually work for her age because they are more independent and she's only had tech issues in the past.
The only thing we are actually offering is free childcare for 12 and under during this, at the employer childcare facility it 22 miles north in the corporate building.

 

[Jrb1979]

So do you think we should wait to reopen the economies or keep them open only when there are no new cases? In this example 6 cases is nothing. And if they are doing contact tracing and quarantining the sick people then why would you need a local shut-down? That is madness!! We are going to have no businesses when this is all over since everyone just wants to stay home and limit everything.

Have you looked at what was done in most Canada????? We locked down til May here in Ontario and only thing opened was grocery stores, pharmacy and hospitals. In May when our numbers were low we opened all retail and construction. Waited 4 weeks til the next phase which was allowing outdoor dining, campgrounds and all outdoor attractions. Now that our numbers of new cases are you under 150 a day most of Ontario is open except for theme parks, sports with fans and concerts. Those will stay that way til there is better treatment or a vaccine. IMO that's what Florida, Texas and Arizona should have done. Instead there was very little time between phases and now look where they are. Look at the many that have been screaming to OPEN OPEN OPEN, this is what happens. All I will say is good luck to you all and some news for you thoughts and prayers don't do anything.

 

[Andrew C]

Have you looked at what was done in most Canada????? We locked down til May here in Ontario and only thing opened was grocery stores, pharmacy and hospitals. In May when our numbers were low we opened all retail and construction. Waited 4 weeks til the next phase which was allowing outdoor dining, campgrounds and all outdoor attractions. Now that our numbers of new cases are you under 150 a day most of Ontario is open except for theme parks, sports with fans and concerts. Those will stay that way til there is better treatment or a vaccine. IMO that's what Florida, Texas and Arizona should have done. Instead there was very little time between phases and now look where they are. Look at the many that have been screaming to OPEN OPEN OPEN, this is what happens. All I will say is good luck to you all and some news for you thoughts and prayers don't do anything.

You still have a ton closed down, right? And your cases in Canada are now trending upward...Is Ontario going to go the way of some of the other provinces who are contributing to this uptick? Or will they be able to maintain the low single day case count that was just released? As someone said to me yesterday...No victory lap yet. The world should take notice regarding the uptick in Europe, which seems to be hitting Canada as well. I hope for the sake of Canada this is only a small bump in the road and doesn't turn into something greater, especially given that I have a relatively large stake in what occurs there.