Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[oceanbreeze77]

 

[Miss Bella]

Thankfully.... I get to make my own decisions

I never said you didn't.

 

[Miss Bella]

I will wear a burlap sack on my head to end this thing sooner.

And improve my appearance.

As someone that has to wear an N95 for hours. I'm just saying they're not pleasant and it's not as easy as some may think. I encourage everyone to try it though.

 

[GoofGoof]

I was looking forward to the engaging conversation.

If you post the same thing here I’m sure there will be plenty of people willing to talk about it:

COVID-19

Argue to your heart’s content.

forums.wdwmagic.com

 

[Kevin_W]

A big part of the reason we're stuck in this mess is the idea, "Well, sure, New York/DC/Miami/Houston is suffering, but it can't happen here."

Our governor (Ohio) had a speech this evening where he pointed that out. Our cases are spiking, but aren't all that bad... but we're at the point Florida was a month ago. We have a chance now to turn things back around so we don't become the Florida of today. His message was to take that chance.

 

[chrisvee]

Our governor (Ohio) had a speech this evening where he pointed that out. Our cases are spiking, but aren't all that bad... but we're at the point Florida was a month ago. We have a chance now to turn things back around so we don't become the Florida of today. His message was to take that chance.

PA is having to retrench. Limiting indoor restaurant seating to 25% capacity, no indoor bars without food, asking all businesses that can to reinstate telework, no indoor events or gatherings > 25 people, none outdoors > 250 people.

 

[GoofGoof]

PA is having to retrench. Limiting indoor restaurant seating to 25% capacity, no indoor bars without food, asking all businesses that can to reinstate telework, no indoor events or gatherings > 25 people, none outdoors > 250 people.

Imagine that. Acting first before things get out of hand. A real bar ban too. No bar seating and alcohol can only be served in restaurants if it’s in the same transaction as a meal. 25% capacity is tough for restaurants but they still have outdoor seating and take out.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I was just flipping around channels and guess who is on CNN.....the Chief Medical Officer of Moderna talking about the positive results from their phase 1 trial and the start of their phase 3 trial later this month. Seems they are pretty confident that the antibodies produced by the vaccine are stronger than those produced by natural infection. Side effects seem pretty mild and similar to a flu shot: pain at the injection site, flu like symptoms for a few days, etc. He got about 8 to 10 minutes of air time which is a lifetime on cable news.

So, CNN gave significant air time to a story of a vaccine? Sounds great! Let me check it out:

Here's a video from CNN that's rather positive about the vaccine:



And another CNN video with the Moderna official.

Gupta to Moderna exec: What's the likelihood vaccine works? | CNN

Moderna Chief Medical Officer Dr. Tal Zaks tells CNN's Anderson Cooper and Dr. Sanjay Gupta about the work and initial testing the company has been doing on the development of a vaccine for the novel coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

Which I found on the front page of the CNN web site:

 

[chrisvee]

Imagine that. Acting first before things get out of hand. A real bar ban too. No bar seating and alcohol can only be served in restaurants if it’s in the same transaction as a meal. 25% capacity is tough for restaurants but they still have outdoor seating and take out.

Reason #1 given for rising cases was not being vigilant with masks and social distance. #2 was travel to hotspots in south/west.

 

[Jrb1979]

Nearly one-third of children tested for COVID in Florida are positive. Palm Beach County’s health director warns of risk of long-term damage

Nearly one-in-three children tested for the new coronavirus in Florida has been positive, and a South Florida health official is concerned the disease could cause lifelong damage even for children …

www.sun-sentinel.com

@legwand77 Everything still fine?

 

[Falcon3xp]

A question for everyone just for curiosity to know what everyone thinks.
I just when to epcot and I know is silly with a horrible pandemic where Florida is a current major hotspot and I am sure was very silly and kind of selfish maybe to go there but anyways...
I notice that when you get in any ride at Epcot the cast members are not cleaning the rides every time someone leaves ( I am sure they are routine cleaning schedule with amazing Technology that I don’t know) but I have been to their park this month like sea world and and universal specially that every time some one leave you can see how the employee cleans the car with some sort of sanitizer. And then you step in.
my question is how do I know that in that few minutes that you are In The ride with people like me sweeting from the heat or whatever Don’t have a risk to get more infected than cleaning it let say very 15 minutes. why Disney didn’t want to take advantage of the cast members that they are already there to clean like others are doing just as a layer protection? Even if is a show or not.

 

[Kevin_W]

A question for everyone just for curiosity to know what everyone thinks.
I just when to epcot and I know is silly with a horrible pandemic where Florida is a current major hotspot and I am sure was very silly and kind of selfish maybe to go there but anyways...
I notice that when you get in any ride at Epcot the cast members are not cleaning the rides every time someone leaves ( I am sure they are routine cleaning schedule with amazing Technology that I don’t know) but I have been to their park this month like sea world and and universal specially that every time some one leave you can see how the employee cleans the car with some sort of sanitizer. And then you step in.
my question is how do I know that in that few minutes that you are In The ride with people like me sweeting from the heat or whatever Don’t have a risk to get more infected than cleaning it let say very 15 minutes. why Disney didn’t want to take advantage of the cast members that they are already there to clean like others are doing just as a layer protection? Even if is a show or not.

Welcome to the thread. they don't clean because the logistics of cleaning an Omnimover vehicle don't work. how do you know there aren't viruses left by previous passengers? You don't. Current medical guidance is that infection from surfaces is not the primary mode of transmission, but it is possible. My personal approach would be to carry hand sanitizer and use it after every ride.

 

[Falcon3xp]

Welcome to the thread. they don't clean because the logistics of cleaning an Omnimover vehicle don't work. how do you know there aren't viruses left by previous passengers? You don't. Current medical guidance is that infection from surfaces is not the primary mode of transmission, but it is possible. My personal approach would be to carry hand sanitizer and use it after every ride.

Thank you Kevin!
this is a very interesting thread have read it for the last few weeks but I am more of a reader than a writer.
But that was a good simple answer. I guess it is what it is.

 

[Lirael]

Not too surprised they aren't keeping cleaning up that much. I remember my days of working at the stroller rental at DHS. If the last kid using it didn't leave a more permanent mess, we just shook the stroller to remove food vestiges then quickly slapped it with a rag wet with a cleaning solution and boom, ready to be rented again! And that was strollers; something that was not expected or needed to be used again as quickly as a ride vehicle.

 

[GoofGoof]

Welcome to the thread. they don't clean because the logistics of cleaning an Omnimover vehicle don't work. how do you know there aren't viruses left by previous passengers? You don't. Current medical guidance is that infection from surfaces is not the primary mode of transmission, but it is possible. My personal approach would be to carry hand sanitizer and use it after every ride.

This^^^

I do think that one of the worst things that has happened with the sharing of information on how this virus spreads is the “change“ in CDC guidance on surface spread. Their intention was to specify that surface transmission is not the primary source of spread not that it wasn’t possible to contract the virus from surfaces. I have heard a lot of people say things like “it doesn’t spread from surfaces” or “the CDC changed the guidance and surface spread is not a risk anymore”. I do hope that people continue to be diligent with hand washing and hand sanitizer, especially in a place like a theme park here there’s so much cross contact of surfaces. I fear that part of the recent spread is from people being less proactive with those measures. I have no scientific proof of that, but I’ve heard so many people discounting the risks there.

 

[mousedroid]

Imagine that. Acting first before things get out of hand. A real bar ban too. No bar seating and alcohol can only be served in restaurants if it’s in the same transaction as a meal. 25% capacity is tough for restaurants but they still have outdoor seating and take out.

Yeah, and as much as some of my fellow Pennsylvanians whine about our Governor overstepping his authority (which, like all governors, he does occasionally) and their "freedoms" being trampled on, I really hope they follow the stricter - though not as strict as April and May - guidelines so we can nip this resurgence in the bud.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The big, very obvious secret is that most of the WDW and Universal safety measures are theatre, just like the security measures in the decades after 9/11, just like so much of what WDW and Universal do. Some measures will undoubtedly help, like lower park capacity. Others aren't really enforceable and are guaranteed to be ignored mush of the time, like masking guidelines. Ultimately, the primary goal of the new measures is not to make people safer but to make people FEEL safer.

 

[GoofGoof]

Reason #1 given for rising cases was not being vigilant with masks and social distance. #2 was travel to hotspots in south/west.

Yes, we had posted a few stories from both Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) and Bucks County (suburban Philly) where through contact tracing they identified more than half the new infections from out of state travel. They both specifically names Myrtle Beach and FL as 2 of the primary travel hot spots. It was also primarily younger people. College students and 20 somethings looking for a place to go where bars were open and there was a good party.

 

[GoofGoof]

The big, very obvious secret is that most of the WDW and Universal safety measures are theatre, just like the security measures in the decades after 9/11, just like so much of what WDW and Universal do. Some measures will undoubtedly help, like lower park capacity. Others aren't really enforceable and are guaranteed to be ignored mush of the time, like masking guidelines. Ultimately, the primary goal of the new measures is not to make people safer but to make people FEEL safer.

To be fair, so far I have seen an overwhelming majority of reports talk about mask rules being followed at WDW. Capacity is obviously a help (including overall park capacity, bus capacity, restaurant capacity, pool capacity and ride vehicle spacing) but the masks are the main safety measure.

 

[Heppenheimer]

This^^^

I do think that one of the worst things that has happened with the sharing of information on how this virus spreads is the “change“ in CDC guidance on surface spread. Their intention was to specify that surface transmission is not the primary source of spread not that it wasn’t possible to contract the virus from surfaces. I have heard a lot of people say things like “it doesn’t spread from surfaces” or “the CDC changed the guidance and surface spread is not a risk anymore”. I do hope that people continue to be diligent with hand washing and hand sanitizer, especially in a place like a theme park here there’s so much cross contact of surfaces. I fear that part of the recent spread is from people being less proactive with those measures. I have no scientific proof of that, but I’ve heard so many people discounting the risks there.

From our hospital group discussions, the consensus is that fomite transmission is possible, but probably only a very minor driver of infections. With hand washing, sanitizing and surface cleaning, its also the easiest method of transmission to mitigate.