Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[hopemax]

I agree...been very impressed by the governors in Tx and Az this week...

Others?...well...

I don't go that far. A lack of disappointment =/ impressed. They earn no points from me, for not making it worse. I just can hear August 1st calling, "We've all been wearing our masks the last month and deaths are still going up. This proves masks don't work."

 

[Andrew C]

I assume it means anywhere outside of your home or vehicle where you might interact with someone else.

From an article about it...

“The order requires Texans living in counties with 20 or more positive COVID-19 cases to wear a face covering over the nose and mouth while inside a business or other building open to the public, as well as outdoor public spaces, whenever social distancing is not possible. The order provides several exceptions, including children who are younger than 10 years old, people who have a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask, people who are eating or drinking and people who are exercising outdoors.”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't go that far. A lack of disappointment =/ impressed. They earn no points from me, for not making it worse. I just can hear August 1st calling, "We've all been wearing our masks the last month and deaths are still going up. This proves masks don't work."

Ok...but I set my expectations at zero so that’s an easy bar to come in over...

And yet...we still have some mutts trying to dig under the thing

 

[Miss Bella]

Who has a job isn’t dependent on who has COVID. Who has a job is dependent on customers. Customer behavior is not solely driven by government mandates. The examination of March’s data showed people changed their behavior 6-29 days before government mandates. All people say, "vulnerable people should stay home." 50% of people fall into the "vulnerable" category, one way or another. So how does that work for business then? You can’t force people to be customers.

When they opened the doors people came. Why do you think they shut the bars down. They’re not shutting them down because they were empty.

 

[Andrew C]

I don't go that far. A lack of disappointment =/ impressed. They earn no points from me, for not making it worse. I just can hear August 1st calling, "We've all been wearing our masks the last month and deaths are still going up. This proves masks don't work."

ehh. Daily deaths in Texas really haven’t gone up since the surge. And the death rate continues to drop. This could always change as there is still a chance deaths are lagging, but Texas has always done well regarding the death rate. At least compared to other states.
But hospitalizations and cases still aren’t getting any better yet.

 

[hopemax]

When they opened the doors people came. Why do you think they shut the bars down. They’re not shutting them down because they were empty.

First, I didn't realize business only meant bars.

Second, how long were they open, a few weeks? We didn't get to see if they stayed full, once the numbers started going all wrong.

Third, if the bar business remained gang busters, it doesn't mean there wouldn't be negative effects from people who were never part of the bar crowd but whose behavior affects other businesses in the community. Example: "I never felt comfortable going to a bar, but I was doing things like going to my local non-essential business, but now the numbers are worrisome so I'm just going to stay home again." I don't think the bar is sharing receipts with the local hobby shop that saw customers dry up, even if their business was booming.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

My community is seeing the large numbers from people returning to churches when they opened up again. Bars aren’t the only problem.

 

[hopemax]

ehh. Deaths really haven’t gone up since the surge. And the death rate continues to drop. This could always change as there is still a chance deaths are lagging, but Texas has always done well regarding the death rate. At least compared to other states.
But hospitalizations and cases still aren’t getting any better yet.

I'm trying really hard to stay out of the "but, deaths!" arguments until August 1, like I said I would.

I made that statement based on what I expect the death trend line to have done between now and August 1. And what people on Aug 1, will be saying.

 

[Amused to Death]

Bars aren’t the only problem.

I don't know if someone else has already posted this, but here's an article where Chase links the spread of infection to higher restaurant spending:

This chart shows the link between restaurant spending and new cases of coronavirus

Higher restaurant spending appears to be linked to a faster spread of the coronavirus, according to JPMorgan.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Miss Bella]

First, I didn't realize business only meant bars.

Second, how long were they open, a few weeks? We didn't get to see if they stayed full, once the numbers started going all wrong.

Third, if the bar business remained gang busters, it doesn't mean there wouldn't be negative effects from people who were never part of the bar crowd but whose behavior affects other businesses in the community. Example: "I never felt comfortable going to a bar, but I was doing things like going to my local non-essential business, but now the numbers are worrisome so I'm just going to stay home again." I don't think the bar is sharing receipts with the local hobby shop that saw customers dry up, even if their business was booming.

Bars have been open a month or more. “Essential”businesses have been packed since this started. It’s a mute point because we can’t go back time.

 

[Andrew C]

I'm trying really hard to stay out of the "but, deaths!" arguments until August 1, like I said I would.

I made that statement based on what I expect the death trend line to have done between now and August 1. And what people on Aug 1, will be saying.

As you said. You brought up deaths and I really wasn’t making any type of big argument other than where the state stands now.

Also, I don’t get why it is so wrong to talk about daily deaths and the death rate. Seems relatively important.

 

[Miss Bella]

I don't know if someone else has already posted this, but here's an article where Chase links the spread of infection to higher restaurant spending:

This chart shows the link between restaurant spending and new cases of coronavirus

Higher restaurant spending appears to be linked to a faster spread of the coronavirus, according to JPMorgan.

www.cnbc.com

Isn’t supermarket spending up in NewYork because restaurants are closed or at low capacity or could it be all the riots?

 

[mickeymiss]

I think we should all support an interim strategy that avoids both extremes. Wherever I turn my head, it's one big leap in one direction or the other. It makes my head pound. I strongly favor ideas that balance out the radical approaches. I don't think restricting business and human acitvities for months on end is better than modifying how we do it.

 

[hopemax]

As you said. You brought up deaths and I really wasn’t making any type of big argument other than where the state stands now.

Also, I don’t get why it is so wrong to talk about daily deaths and the death rate. Seems relatively important.

It's not "wrong" in a general sense of the word, just that when it comes up we cause @TheMom a lot of headaches. Since I don't expect the death numbers to show dramatic change until mid-July, I'm just trying to do my part to give @TheMom a break.

 

[Andrew C]

It's not "wrong" in a general sense of the word, just that when it comes up we cause @TheMom a lot of headaches. Since I don't expect the death numbers to show dramatic change until mid-July, I'm just trying to do my part to give @TheMom a break.

it should only cause her headaches if people get political and/or make personal attacks. If that occurs, it is more on the people conversing than the topic itself.

 

[hopemax]

it should only cause her headaches if people get political and/or make personal attacks. If that occurs, it is more on the people conversing than the topic itself.

We've been told to knock off other conversations, that do nothing but go around in circles for 20 pages. With or without political or personal attacks.

 

[Miss Bella]

We've been told to knock off other conversations, that do nothing but go around in circles for 20 pages. With or without political or personal attacks.

I’m confused isn’t the number of deaths factual. What’s there to debate?

 

[Andrew C]

We've been told to knock off other conversations, that do nothing but go around in circles for 20 pages. With or without political or personal attacks.

Eh. I’m gonna post what I want around the covid topic and will try to keep clear of politics and attacks. If I get in trouble for that, then I get in trouble. Not sure why I would, however.

 

[Andrew C]

I’m confused isn’t the number of deaths factual. What’s there to debate?

I assume the debate is if the deaths have caught up to the surge yet. Maybe it hasn’t in many cases that include Florida and Texas. I think an epidemiologist out of Houston expects July 4 to be the date texas will see the surge impact the deaths. I’m slightly holding my breath. Counting on treatments, etc. to be able to deal. Can’t stop a hospitalization that is already a hospitalization.

 

[GoofGoof]

I think we should all support an interim strategy that avoids both extremes. Wherever I turn my head, it's one big leap in one direction or the other. It makes my head pound. I strongly favor ideas that balance out the radical approaches. I don't think restricting business and human acitvities for months on end is better than modifying how we do it.

I’ve been saying this for months now. It’s not black and white. Just like keeping stay at home orders indefinitely is impractical and unnecessary its also not going to work to just open everything without restrictions and pretend the virus doesn’t exist. The answer lies in the grey area in the middle.

I do think some state and local governments have tried the middle ground approach but it’s difficult to get people to buy in. For example when CA opened bars and restaurants they set reasonable restrictions but in the month or so they were open they found a less than 50% compliance rate when businesses were inspected. So not only were people not necessarily willing to follow rules but the establishments themselves looked the other way. We all need to do better. People need to accept that having the mall or a theme park or a gym open with a requirement to wear a mask is better than having it closed. Same with dining and even bars. It’s not going to be like it was pre-COVID but something is better than fully closed. The problem is people think there’s a 3rd option which is open with no restrictions. Not possible right now.