Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[mickeymiss]

You have to disconnect the debate here with the decisions of a multi-national corporation. Whether people here think WDW should or shouldn’t open is irrelevant. Nobody saying they should stay shut down is going to cause it to happen. Even the petitions are pretty irrelevant. They know that some people are going to be opposed no matter when they open, they also know some people are in favor no matter what. TWDC management and BoD has an obligation to its workers to ensure a safe working environment. So far they seem to be doing that on paper at least. It would be hard to say they aren’t making their best effort to keep CMs safe once they open (again, assuming they follow through on the actual plan).

They also have an obligation to shareholders to maintain and increase the value of the company. That’s where the tricky part comes in. PR is a real concern. I’m sure the internal debate revolves around damage to their image if an outbreak is linked back to them when they chose to open during a spike in cases. Opening any time has its risks, but that’s why you have a plan. The plan since the shut down included opening when the situation on the ground was safe enough to do so. Why did Disney wait until July 15 instead of opening June 1? They had the same plans to re-open back then. They would have had the blessing of the government if they asked. They waited put of caution. That could be the same reason they would delay an opening now. Not saying they will. Just that they could.

I understand what you're saying. I'm not as sold on safety being the top reason for Disney's delayed plan announcement but maybe that's cynical of me Don't get me wrong, Disney cares about safety as much as they always did (which is a lot IMO). I had no doubts about that even before the pandemic but I think there were other reasons for the delay.

 

[MaximumEd]

You can't look at it in isolation. It's not just how many people you are interacting with in that one venue at one small moment, its over hours, days, weeks. Time and quantity are both a factor because it is ultimately about exposure. We don’t yet know enough about what is too much exposure and your body doesn’t care if you only acquired a little bit of virus from many people if it was in the right time frame. To use a somewhat crude metaphor it’s like Russian Roulette with six shooters. With one gun you increase your odds of getting shot each time you pull the trigger (this is the issue of time). One shot from six guns (multiple, brief interactions) may not have the same progressive increase in your odds of a negative outcome as they reset each time but if you start increasing that number of guns your exposing yourself more and more.



Nobody has said these measure are absolute. Every interaction with a means of mitigation is an opportunity for failure.

Fair enough. I’m not an epidemiologist, but I am a bit of a firearm collector, so the analogy used helps.

 

[Andrew C]

The Disney employees who were furloughed are getting unemployment...

The extra $600 a week in unemployment runs out at the end of the month. Opening would give those CMs going back a steady income. It is beneficial to them in that sense.

 

[Touchdown]

Here you go for those posters that have been saying "no one is saying to shut it all down"...

We were already shut down for months and cannot afford to just close everything again. Stay open with rules in place.

You can’t afford to open either of no one comes.

WDW needs out of state tourists to be profitable, very few out of state visitors are willing to come to FL right now.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

The extra $600 a week in unemployment runs out at the end of the month. Opening would give those CMs going back a steady income. It is beneficial to them in that sense.

Unless there’s a extension and there’s talk of it. Only talk as of now.

 

[Andrew C]

Unless there’s a extension and there’s talk of it. Only talk as of now.

I’m not counting on it right now. That’s for sure.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I’m not counting on it right now. That’s for sure.

Me either
With the situation in our government with the parties, I don’t see how they can agree on anything right now.

 

[Disney Analyst]

A reminder that you don't just impact yourself if you go out without preventative measures even if you don't have symptoms.

He posted his regrets over attending a party in California. The next day, he died of coronavirus | CNN

A Southern California man who tested positive for coronavirus after attending a party expressed his fear and regret a day before he died.

www.cnn.com

A friend who was at the party reached out to Macias to say he had coronavirus, and he was aware of the diagnosis when he attended the gathering but didn't think he could infect anyone because he had no symptoms, Lopez said.

I would probably get flamed for this.... but if you KNOW you have it, and still do this, you should be held accountable for any health costs of those you exposed to, and any deaths.

I get it if you had no clue, but this person knowingly went to a party with the virus, and now someone is dead. RIDICULOUS.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I would probably get flamed for this.... but if you KNOW you have it, and still do this, you should be held accountable for any health costs of those you exposed to, and any deaths.

I get it if you had no clue, but this person knowingly went to a party with the virus, and now someone is dead. RIDICULOUS.

Shouldn’t get flamed at all. If knowingly you hurt someone, then you should have to cover costs. I remember the HIV days of people knowing they had it and not telling anyone. In my book it’s the same thing.

 

[padlock]

I don’t know what the solution is but opening disney doesn’t fix the economy and I would argue that opening Florida and other states too fast will hurt their economy in the long run.

Exactly. The whole notion of "Public Health versus Economy" is a false dichotomy. It just so happens that the same measures which are best for public health are also best for the economy.

If people weren't so short sighted and in a rush to re-open prematurely, we'd be in a better place in both areas.

 

[wdwmagic]

Not sure if anyone has posted this already, but interesting tool

Risk Levels - Global Epidemics

RISK LEVELS First published in July 2020, our COVID-19 risk levels dashboard served as a tool for the public to track the pandemic in real time. As the pandemic has evolved and testing and reporting data have changed significantly, we have retired the dashboard as of December 2022. To explore...

globalepidemics.org

 

[DCBaker]

 

[monothingie]

It just so happens that the same measures which are best for public health are also best for the economy.

The millions of unemployed that will suffer minimal or no threat from CV-19 disagree with you.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

The millions of unemployed that will suffer minimal or no threat from CV-19 disagree with you.

My wife is one of them. We disagree with you.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

Small world. I might have been in there the same time as you. I was the guy standing in front of the beer aisle trying to decide which 6 packs to get

That must've been you! I remember you walking off with a Smirnoff. Makes sense ;-)

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

The millions of unemployed that will suffer minimal or no threat from CV-19 disagree with you.

Are you able to see in your crystal ball if they would've gotten CV-19 by remaining employed? Do you know if they would still be alive? You have to cut it both ways, not just the way that satisfies your agenda.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Are you able to see in your crystal ball if they would've gotten CV-19 by remaining employed? Do you know if they would still be alive? You have to cut it both ways, not just the way that satisfies your agenda.

I just don’t appreciate when someone makes a blanket statement like that. My wife will find another job. Things are a tougher. But she will have the opportunity to find something, unlike the people, young and old that won’t be able to now because they aren’t around.

 

[GoofGoof]

The millions of unemployed that will suffer minimal or no threat from CV-19 disagree with you.

Short term maybe, but we don’t know that re-opening everything fast is best long term for the economy. Take AZ as an example. A guy working at a gym got to return to work, but they opened bars around the same time and didn’t enforce good distancing or safety measures. Now they rolled back the re-opening. The guy working at the gym is back out of work. He may have been better off long term if the opening was done slower and with more restrictions. Now he has to re-apply for unemployment and the federal piece runs out at the end of the month. It’s not just about the threat of getting sick. The economy can’t come back in any meaningful way unless the masses are comfortable and it’s safe for them to do so.

 

[GoofGoof]

That must've been you! I remember you walking off with a Smirnoff. Makes sense ;-)

That was for my wife

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

My wife is one of them. We disagree with you.

I’m one of them. I’m quite happy staying alive as well.