Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

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On the hospital and death numbers why don’t we just all agree to wait and see what happens. There’s no point arguing if/when there may be an increases in either. Right now the number of cases is spiking. Right now the number of deaths is not. Right now the hospitals are stable and/or they are pulling the levers they have available to make sure they don’t get overrun.
 

DisneyDebRob

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This is why I am surprised they closed the beaches. If they showed that the protests had no significant increase to covid cases, because they were outdoors, why close the beaches? Completely understand the bars/restaurants. It just seems a bit of a contradiction.
Because people on beaches, and don’t take this as me agreeing with the move, but they don’t wear masks and barely any social distancing. Most, and have to say this because people will jump on you in here, MOST of the protesters at least wore masks. I do think beaches should be open if there was a way to at least social distance. From most weekend pictures, I don’t think they can.
 

jaklgreen

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I never said I wanted to help people. I'm doing my best to limit being around others and social distancing.

What I was getting at was more on the government side of things. Instead of rushing to open everything maybe worry about trying to lower the case numbers by slowing down reopening.

I'm a Canadian and have seen how it can be done. Yes our deaths are high but most of that is due to Senior homes. The province I live in had 170 cases today and have been below 200 for the past few weeks. It baffles me on why many U.S. states couldn't do the same.

We are in phase 2 here and have just allowed restaurants to open but only their patios. Malls are opening but have limited capacity. All retail has been open for a month now. No theme parks have any dates for opening yet. If cases stay low then the next phase happens

Some states have. I live in NE and we went on lockdown, like most states, and only kept food places open. Our numbers never really got bad and our hospitals were not even close to capacity. We started opening up slowly last month and saw how it went. After a few weeks, we are finally "fully opened". We never had a mandatory mask rule but many people would wear one when in the stores. Many people are still working from home here and are still distancing. Some still wear masks when indoors but many don't. Granted, we are a low population state and even in the city, people live pretty spread out.
 

GoofGoof

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I think the beaches are more of an issue of drawing crowds to the restaurants and things near the beach. Even if you limit capacity, people will be bunched together waiting to get in and some restaurants might push the envelope with distancing if there are large numbers of customers clamoring to get in. I don't think the concern is the people on the beach in baking sun with 500% humidity and 1000 degree temperatures (slight exaggeration but that's what it feels like down here the last few days).
I think that’s why the South Beach (Miami-Dade) announcement happened. Even if they stopped bars from serving alcohol the party just moves to hotels, pools or the beach. What they don’t want is a crazy party in a beach town for the holiday weekend. There’s no issue with residents going to their local beach and spending some time outdoors.

Interesting note on that front. I saw in a local news story (sorry it was on local TV so I can’t post a link) that there’s been an uptick in cases in Allegheny County PA (Pittsburg area) in the 18-34 demographic. Through contact tracing they were able to determine that one of the largest drivers in increased cases was travel (not the only driver by far, but one of them). The most popular travel destinations given were Myrtle Beach, Florida and Texas. It makes sense since bars in PA are open but pretty restrictive that young people would look to go where the party is. In other words I don’t think the bar scene issues that we’ve seen are just locals in FL, people were traveling to party too.

edit: here’s a similar story, but they wouldn’t reveal where the travel was to In this story.
 
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legwand77

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Also, @legwand77 says we should be seeing it by now. I am following what the epidemiologists say, and that we won't see it until Disneyland's birthday week. The good news is that we should all agree that by Aug 1, we will have an answer. If legwand is right, there will be a month of data, if the epidemiologists are right we will have 2 weeks of data.

I wish we could give the @TheMom a break and not post daily, "the death number is improving, this proves everything is fine" until then? Just take the numbers as they come in, comment on good/bad/happy/sad, but without all the back and forth "this proves something!" But if virus is gonna virus, Internet is going to Internet.
Yes, as long as the multiple daily posts about the cases rates are going up and it is horrible are included too. Goes both ways.

* and to clarify I don't agree at all with the first paragraph opinion in your post
 
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legwand77

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On the hospital and death numbers why don’t we just all agree to wait and see what happens. There’s no point arguing if/when there may be an increases in either. Right now the number of cases is spiking. Right now the number of deaths is not. Right now the hospitals are stable and/or they are pulling the levers they have available to make sure they don’t get overrun.

Are you are suggesting to ignore and need to be quiet about the good numbers, only talk about and amplify what some think are bad numbers. gotcha I see where this is going.
 

legwand77

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It was an example in a discussion among epidemiologists on social media. There aren’t many examples of countries that have seen a resurgence to choose from. China, had one. Iran had their first wave early in the virus. Europe was also early the first time around but has not seen a resurgence. Other countries are still experiencing their first go at this, not second.
Some 'epidemiologists' on social media, not all by a long shot. Iran was probably picked because it was the one of if not the only one that support that theory. Wonder why there arent that many countries to pick from, also how is China's resurgence doing.
 
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GoofGoof

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Are you are suggesting to ignore and need to be quiet about the good numbers, only talk about and amplify what some think are bad numbers. gotcha I see where this is going.
No. All I’m suggesting is we look at the actual numbers and leave it at that. You get worked up every day when people post the daily case count. It’s a part of the picture whether you choose to ignore it or not. It’s fine if you want to ignore it, but your opinion on that is well established. No need to wait each day for the daily number to be posted to repeat the same opinion that it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter to you, it does matter to some other people. We all see this how we see it. On the flip side there’s no point in speculating if/when the hospitalization or death numbers are going to go up. If/when they do go up then we can talk about it.
 

legwand77

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No. All I’m suggesting is we look at the actual numbers and leave it at that. You get worked up every day when people post the daily case count. It’s a part of the picture whether you choose to ignore it or not. It’s fine if you want to ignore it, but your opinion on that is well established. No need to wait each day for the daily number to be posted to repeat the same opinion that it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter to you, it does matter to some other people. We all see this how we see it. On the flip side there’s no point in speculating if/when the hospitalization or death numbers are going to go up. If/when they do go up then we can talk about it.
I don't get "worked up " whatever that really means. I do exactly what you are saying and post the numbers. I do say it is good news because less people are actually dying. I acknowledge numbers go up and have repeatably said they are most likely going higher. You are saying only look at the numbers you want to, case numbers are reported in a much much higher rate here daily and with very dramatic language and emoticons for effect. If you choose to ignore data and only look at one metric it kinda proves the issue.
 

Jrb1979

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I don't get "worked up " whatever that really means. I do exactly what you are saying and post the numbers. I do say it is good news because less people are actually dying. I acknowledge numbers go up and have repeatably said they are most likely going higher. You are saying only look at the numbers you want to, case numbers are reported in a much much higher rate here daily and with very dramatic language and emoticons for effect. If you choose to ignore data and only look at one metric it kinda proves the issue.
Just cause less people are saying doesn't make this that much less severe. We still don't how much damage it does to people that do get it. IMO we should continue opening slow and if cases and positive percentage rise like they are in Florida you pull back a bit and delay opening things. IMO Disney should delay opening as well as Universal and SeaWorld should close again.
 

legwand77

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You continue to ignore data (daily new cases) and only look at one metric (death count). Somehow you can’t see that.

Where have I ever ignored daily new cases... wait it is kinda pointless asking that, as I mentioned it even in the post you replied to, it is obvious what you are dong.
 

hopemax

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* and to clarify I don't agree at all with the first paragraph opinion in your post
You disagree that in a month*, we will have a month's worth of data?

That's the point of my first paragraph. So if that is where the disagreement is, I really don't know what to say.

*technically 1 month, 4 days.
 

GoofGoof

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Where have I ever ignored daily new cases... wait it is kinda pointless asking that, as I mentioned it even in the post you replied to, it is obvious what you are dong.
OK, I’ll play along. So all the data needs to be considered not just certain metrics. Here’s the primary data we have looking at the last 2 weeks:
  1. A large spike in overall new cases
  2. A substantial increase in percent positive
  3. Hospital capacity is not overrun but in certain areas we are seeing changes to practices like pausing elective surgeries and in the case of Houston using their children’s hospital for adult ICU overflow.
  4. The death rate remains constant and has not spiked with cases
So out of those 4 factors to consider, 1 and 2 look very bad, 3 is neutral and 4 is very good. Now based on looking at all of the data is it “hysterics” to say the situation on the ground is not trending in a good direction and action needs to be taken? Obviously the governors of TX and FL felt there was enough of a concern to pull back on plans and some at the local level of government have done even more.
 
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