Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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hopemax

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I never implied Canadians system was broken I know very little about their system. I just asked a simple question. So your saying Canadians come here for medical care as a status symbol.
In part. I'm sure there are other reasons including speed. But more like an "all standby" vs Fastpass+ system. Some want to jump to the front of the line, not that the line is unreasonably long. Also, because our country is so much more populated (330 million vs 38 million), we have many more specialists.
 

DisneyDebRob

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This is nothing like a hurricane. It affected the whole world. Really, really bad comparison. Even countries that weren’t hit by the virus are going to be devastated by lack of tourism. Haven’t you ever heard the the phrase when America sneezes the rest of the world gets the flu.
Yeah the phrase isn’t true.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Just to be clear -

"The Deaths by Day chart shows the total number of Florida residents with confirmed COVID-19 that died on each calendar day (12:00 AM - 11:59 PM). Death data often has significant delays in reporting, so data within the past two weeks will be updated frequently."
Stop throwing facts and good information into the mix, it’s not necessary with his posts.
 

Andrew C

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Absolutely. If you have money and insurance, you will get a leg up. There is no debating that. Even if there is no meaningful improvement in outcomes.

The age old debate on equality versus privilege.

It's more important to consider the whole as opposed to the outliers though in these types of discussions. Third party anecdotes from retiree snowbirds are just that. High SES. All of which is to say the Canadian medical system doesn't really pertain to how the US is managing COVID and its impacts on WDW.
I think you’re missing my point. I am specifically referring to quality of care. People have different experiences. And as someone who is part of a family that has experienced both US and Canadian care, the issues we experienced with the Canadian system makes me thankful for what I have living in the US. Is this anecdotal? Sure. I know Canadians who love it. But our experience makes me want to never go to that system here.

I will just leave it at that, as you alluded to, this doesn’t really pertain to Covid. Although, I would recommend looking at the death rate in some of their provinces.
 
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Heppenheimer

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So they're not doing better, they just got the worst over with and have immunity already? I
I guess this is considered anecdotal but my good friend took a traveling nurse job up to NYC a month or so ago. So she’s been treating patients with covid-19 every day. They’ve been testing recovered (recovered is relative as some have permanent damage to the lungs, heart, brain, and kidneys) anyhow- they’ve been testing ‘not dead’ patients- for antibodies.... and the scary thing is- they’re coming up negative or low in antibodies 😱. Meaning they CAN possibly get it again!
Not necessarily. Antibodies are proof of prior infection and they usually mean immunity, but the absence of antibodies doesn't automatically imply no immunity. The memory Tcells selected from the prior infection can still respond if the person is re-infected, although if the antibody titer is low, the response may not be as fast.
 

hopemax

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It was more true at one time. Certainly, post-WWII as our country wasn't bombed to bits, so our economic engine was primed and ready to go. But globalization has leveled the playing field, the financial crisis shook things up, and all of the last 4 years is going to reduce the rest of the world's dependency on the US. Someday, China will have a larger economy than the US, and in the far, far future India probably will as well, with Brazil running along side the US. Population and resources matter, but they have been shooting themselves in the foot for generations (lets add in Russia too) because shockingly, progressive human rights tracks with economic prosperity.

And Mom, I am going to my room now. Sit on my hands. No computer.
 
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Miss Bella

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It was more true at one time. Certainly, post-WWII as our country wasn't bombed to bits, so our economic engine was primed and ready to go. But globalization has leveled the playing field, the financial crisis shook things up, and all of the last 4 years is going to reduce the rest of the world's dependency on the US. Someday, China will have a larger economy than the US, and in the far, far future India probably will as well, with Brazil running along side the US. Population and resources matters, but they have been shooting themselves in the foot for generations (lets add in Russia too) because shockingly, progressive human rights tracks with economic prosperity.

And Mom, I am going to my room now. Sit on my hands. No computer.
Hopefully, none of what you just said ever comes true. Go to your room! ;)
 

Ponderer

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I think you’re missing my point. I am specifically referring to quality of care. People have different experiences. And as someone who is part of a family that has experienced both US and Canadian care, the issues we experienced with the Canadian system makes me thankful for what I have living in the US. Is this anecdotal? Sure. I know Canadians who love it. But our experience makes me want to never go to that system here.

The thing is, there's an unbelievable amount of alternatives. We could go to a subsidized German system. We could go to a French single-payer system. We could go to a heavily regulated but largely private universal Swiss system. We could go full-on to a Nordic system, which are basically truly universal versions of the ACA. There's an *incredible* amount of options, they all have their strengths and weaknesses. The one thing in common is they're all NOT failing an gargantuan amount of people, people aren't going bankrupt from health costs, people aren't being kicked off health insurance because their jobs suddenly disappeared, and people aren't dying in their homes from COVID because they're too scared to go to the ER because of costs.

Individual experience can vary and every health care system has failed someone on a single-person basis. I get that! But the only reliable way we can judge results is in the aggregate, by how much good we do for the most people, and by almost every standard in that measure, we SUCK.
 
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LittleBuford

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Sweden isn’t doing badly though. So that’s weird.

"Sweden’s 5,230 deaths translates to a toll per million inhabitants of 511, many times higher than the corresponding totals in neighbouring Denmark (104), Finland (59) and Norway (47), all of which imposed strict confinements – but lower than the 650 registered in the UK, Spain’s 606 and Italy’s 573."

 
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