Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Jrb1979]

Sure but how many cases is your number for too many

Any number is too many IMO. What should be going on right now is mandatory masks, strict social distancing measures and 25% capacity for bars and restaurants til this gets under control. If people and businesses don't comply you fine them. Here In Canada where Iive you can be fined $880 for not following social distancing guidelines. They have handed out 900 tickets so far. This free for all is a big mistake. You can open up the economy again but social distancing measures must be in place.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Just an FYI, the pattern throughout the pandemic is to see smaller numbers Saturday, Sunday, and sometimes Monday. So if you see smaller numbers this weekend, dont assume, "look its getting better!" Its just a lag in data because of the weekend.

 

[legwand77]

Any number is too many IMO. What should be going on right now is mandatory masks, strict social distancing measures and 25% capacity for bars and restaurants til this gets under control. If people and businesses don't comply you fine them. Here In Canada where Iive you can be fined $880 for not following social distancing guidelines. They have handed out 900 tickets so far. This free for all is a big mistake. You can open up the economy again but social distancing measures must be in place.

Well if that is the case plan on wearing masks and or staying home for a long time because it will never be that low.

Also it is a lot different in Florida than Canada many restaurants and businesses with zero masks , live bands , comedy shows etc have all been going on, Georgia has been that way for a month or so, where are the ‘spikes’there. Also many airline flights full no masks for passengers

 

[Lilofan]

It has been. Surgeons wear them for HOURS at a time. They are fine. And we are talking about breathable cloth material for citizens walking into a store. It’s Just not dangerous

Surgeons are inside air conditioning. Not for guests walking or being outside at MK in the middle of July, big difference.

 

[Indy_UK]

I think I'm asking a totally unreasonable question but I'll try.

If I don't want to go back to WDW until things are back to how they were before the Pandemic, what do you think we are talking? 2022?

 

[marni1971]

Surgeons are inside air conditioning. Not for guests walking or being outside at MK in the middle of July, big difference.

It would possibly be better if those guests defer their trip then.

 

[LSLS]

Surgeons are inside air conditioning. Not for guests walking or being outside at MK in the middle of July, big difference.

I was doing stuff outside in one yesterday. Jesus, its not like you are putting on a winter coat or plastic bag. Its really not that huge a deal.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Update from the Ocean City, NJ boardwalk.

One thing that I didn't expect to be a hassle that proved to be a giant pain was point-of-sale transactions. When you're wearing a mask, the cashier is wearing a mask, and there's a sheet of plexiglass in between you, outdoors with crowd noise and background music, it is very difficult to hear one another. Every interaction is strained.

Not a big deal, but add a tick to the "this is going to suck" column.

 

[DisneyCane]

What about surgeons who have long surgery procedures? Don't hear of them having medical problems, and they wear masks for a living.

It's not a thing. Let me see if I can find the link provided by a friend of mine who works in health-care.

Wearing A Mask To Reduce The Spread Of Coronavirus Will Not Give You Carbon Dioxide Poisoning

A new conspiracy theory suggests that wearing a mask can cause carbon dioxide toxicity. Here's why these claims are untrue.

www.forbes.com

It has been. Surgeons wear them for HOURS at a time. They are fine. And we are talking about breathable cloth material for citizens walking into a store. It’s Just not dangerous

Stop pretending this is something new. We’d have seen the negatives years ago in Asia and somebody would have thought to see if correlation was causation. Different trades wear masks and face coverings of various types. Right now we’d see evidence in hospital patients who are now being required to wear masks.

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy

Dr. Russell Blaylock warns that not only do face masks fail to protect the healthy from getting sick, but they also create serious health risks to the wearer. The bottom line is that if you are not sick, you should not wear a face mask.

technocracy.news

I decided to do a little searching and found this editorial. The Dr. that wrote it references several studies that were done. While it might not be a huge risk, there is potential for adverse effects.

BTW, although she has not noticed any effect wearing surgical masks, my wife does get lightheaded when she needs to wear an N95 mask. She told me this months ago at the beginning of the pandemic before there was any "mask debate" for the general public.

Like I said, there is a reason that the N95 and higher filtration respirators designed for construction type workers have the check valve to allow exhaled air to escape easily and not have to pass through the filtration. I don't think somebody just thought it would look cool.

I don't think it is a very high risk for somebody without pulmonary issues to wear a mask inside a store. I would expect higher risk to exercise wearing one. Before somebody says that "nobody is saying to wear one exercising," my friend was yelled at when he was out jogging on a sidewalk by somebody for not wearing one.

 

[Jrb1979]

Well if that is the case plan on wearing masks and or staying home for a long time because it will never be that low.

Also it is a lot different in Florida than Canada many restaurants and businesses with zero masks , live bands , comedy shows etc have all been going on, Georgia has been that way for a month or so, where are the ‘spikes’there. Also many airline flights full no masks for passengers

Instead of locking down again what's the problem with adding in restrictions now that cases have started rising. Look at California and making masks mandatory.

What concerns and saddens is how so many, including here, have no desire to continue social distancing or making businesses have strict social distancing guidelines. IMO all businesses should be as strict with social distancing as Disney and Universal have put in. Masks everywhere and limit capacity for all businesses.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Well if that is the case plan on wearing masks and or staying home for a long time because it will never be that low.

Also it is a lot different in Florida than Canada many restaurants and businesses with zero masks , live bands , comedy shows etc have all been going on, Georgia has been that way for a month or so, where are the ‘spikes’there. Also many airline flights full no masks for passengers

Again, most of your post is false. Please include links or something at all to back up any of your claims.
The only thing you were correct on is Florida is not Canada. Florida is sky rocketing in cases BECAUSE of the things you mentioned. Bars, comedy shows, live music gatherings. No need to talk about what’s going on there, we all see it. Your wrong with the full flights with no masks. No truth at all. Not only are the airlines going with mandatory masks now, but even when some of the airlines just recommended you wear them, they had close to 80% of the people wear them. Google is your friend.
As for Georgia and no spike well we have this.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ledger-enquirer.com/news/coronavirus/article243665887.html

Yes, we will need masks for a long time. Let’s put our selfishness to the side for the better good.

 

[LSLS]

Well if that is the case plan on wearing masks and or staying home for a long time because it will never be that low.

Also it is a lot different in Florida than Canada many restaurants and businesses with zero masks , live bands , comedy shows etc have all been going on, Georgia has been that way for a month or so, where are the ‘spikes’there. Also many airline flights full no masks for passengers

According to open tables data, Georgia restaurants were down 80 to 90 percent before reopening. Now they are down 75 percent. Could be as simple as people aren't listening to the "return to normal" decree there.

 

[The Mom]

I decided to do a little searching and found this editorial. The Dr. that wrote it references several studies that were done. While it might not be a huge risk, there is potential for adverse effects.

What Is the Dr. Russell Blaylock Scam?

Dr. Russell Blaylock is the editor of The Blaylock Wellness Report, a monthly newsletter that claims to offer alternative health information. Physicians have strongly criticized Blaylock, especially for his stance on vaccination, on prominent medical blogs Science-Based Medicine and Respectful...

www.reference.com

He's a Neurosurgeon, not an Epidemiologist. He is also an anti-vaxxer.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

According to open tables data, Georgia restaurants were down 80 to 90 percent before reopening. Now they are down 75 percent. Could be as simple as people aren't listening to the "return to normal" decree there.

There is no return to normal decree. You can ALLOW people to return to normal, that doesn't mean anyone is being FORCED to return to normal.

 

[The Mom]

Please remember the NO POLITICS rule. Thank you.

 

[Jrb1979]

There is no return to normal decree. You can ALLOW people to return to normal, that doesn't mean anyone is being FORCED to return to normal.

That's the thing, we shouldn't be trying to go back to normal yet. Social distancing measures as well as masks should be mandatory til this gets under control.

 

[DisneyCane]

Every country had the benefit of watching and learning from January the spread of COVID-19 in Wuhan. Countries like NZ put lives first and risked their economy with the tightest lockdowns in the world. It was a short and painful lockdown and now they are to continue their lives without any social distancing at all.
The US however didn't watch and learn. They thought they knew better. We all watch from afar shaking our heads.
We have seen US citizens on the streets protesting to be allowed their freedom to catch the disease. It is a strange, strange thing to witness.

Really? Do you know what the peak number of cases that China reported for the entire country in a single day in January was? It was 2,099 on 1/31. For a country of 1.4 BILLION people. All while saying that there was no evidence of human to human transmission. No country could learn anything from watching the spread in Wuhan because China hid what was really going on.

No other country knew the true extent of the virus until the outbreak in Italy, somewhere around March 8 where they started having 100+ deaths per day. It was within a week of that day that the "15 days to slow the spread" guidelines were released by the task force.

The single biggest reason for the extent of the devastation caused by this pandemic outside of China was because China lied to the world about what was happening.

The US wasn't the only country to have an issue, and it wasn't the first outside of China either. Europe didn't "watch and learn" either. Probably because you can't learn anything if the teacher doesn't give you information.

What Is the Dr. Russell Blaylock Scam?

Dr. Russell Blaylock is the editor of The Blaylock Wellness Report, a monthly newsletter that claims to offer alternative health information. Physicians have strongly criticized Blaylock, especially for his stance on vaccination, on prominent medical blogs Science-Based Medicine and Respectful...

www.reference.com

He's a Neurosurgeon, not an Epidemiologist. He is also an anti-vaxxer.

Fair point but the studies that he references exist. The personal experience of my wife indicates that the studies do have some merit.

Obviously, the risk of a serious problem if you contract SARS-CoV-2 is much greater than the the risk of a serious problem from wearing a mask. To what extent people wearing non-N95 masks actually prevents the spread is unknown at this point.

If everybody was out wearing a fit tested N95 mask (and only used it for the amount of time it is certified for) it would almost certainly reduce the risk of transmission through respiratory droplets and aerosols to near zero.

 

[DisneyOutsider]

Well, I was getting all lined up to be there at the reopening for a July 9-11 stay at BLT (coming from the Mid-Atlantic), but that's now officially on the ropes. It's going to take some dramatic improvements in Florida numbers in the next week for me to feel okay about coming.

What a mess

 

[mickeymiss]

I think most people will manage okay enough with the mask rule especially when indoors. It won't be perfect and I am undecided on whether it needs to be mandatory. I want to see what the patterns of transmission were in this Florida surge. Bars seem to be a problem they need to address.

My main beef comes with the people who still think everything needs to close down when a spike is identified. Some before they are even given a chance to open. Disney has a plan similar to if not better than Universal. I am not aware of any issues connected to Universal opening and this T-Rex rumor hasnt been verfied, has it? I would like to think that isolated cases here and there among people who were already wearing a mask is low risk. That doesn't excuse the situation if it's true that they were allowed to work with a known covid infection.

I also have major concerns about wearing a mask outside in 90 degree weather when distancing is possible.. I'm a dedicated rule follower but that mask is coming off (in a quiet area away from people) if I can't breathe.

 

[DisneyCane]

Well, I was getting all lined up to be there at the reopening for a July 9-11 stay at BLT (coming from the Mid-Atlantic), but that's now officially on the ropes. It's going to take some dramatic improvements in Florida numbers in the next week for me to feel okay about coming.

What a mess

Whatever makes you feel OK or not OK is up to you. I just want to point something out about the "numbers." Let's take yesterday with around 3,300 new cases and assume that there are really double that number due to undiscovered asymptomatic cases. Then lets assume you get the same number every day for the next three weeks. That gives you 138,600 infections over a 3 week period. I picked 3 weeks as how long it takes for somebody to not be contagious anymore. For this exercise, I'm also assuming that these people don't isolate and are all just out and about with a known infection (the ones that were tested and know they have it).

Using my assumptions, 0.6% of the population would have active, contagious infections at any given time. Realistically, almost all of the people that know they tested positive will isolate, so the percent of active, contagious people that are mingling with the general population is closer to 0.3%.

The point is that even with this huge "spike" in Florida numbers, the chance of you actually coming into contact with somebody who is contagious is extremely low. I guess you could even go back to the 0.6% number if you take the seniors out of the equation who are isolating to reduce their risk. It's still a very low chance. Obviously it is not a zero chance because new people get infected every day.

In New York with the worst outbreak in the USA, only 2% of the population has tested positive. Even if there were 10 times the number when you account for asymptomatic or untested cases, 80% of the population has NOT been infected.