Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

I am not a political person. I don’t comment much here either. I just don’t understand what is hard to understand about masks. This is a photo of what happens for anyone that doesn’t understand. It isn’t complicated and if for some reason you still don’t want to wear one, please stay home. I say that not out of anger or spite. It’s just very frustrating to watch others argue about this over and over. If it only Slows the Spread 20% that makes a difference.

Where did you get that image from? Do they have images showing how far the droplets travel without a mask?

I'm sure masks make a big difference in situations like getting a haircut where a stylist is standing right on top of you for 20 minutes+. I'm sure they also make a big difference sitting next to somebody on a bus.

I'd also like to see studies that show if the virus is present in the type of droplets shown in that image.

That's what I don't understand about the scientists studying this virus. I haven't seen (they may exist but I haven't seen them) studies where they take actual positive patients and study air samples at various distances while they talk in a lab.

Regarding masks. As I've stated before I don't want to wear one, I don't like wearing one. It isn't for a political reason it's because it is uncomfortable and I have to smell my breath when I talk. That said, when I can't social distance or if it is a requirement to enter a business I wear one.

If things like sporting events were allowed like normal with a mask requirement, I would gladly deal with the discomfort to attend the game.

 

[DisneyCane]

We can't have states with no new cases. It is impossible to contain this virus unless you literally shut down and quarantined the entire population (including essential workers) for probably two months. You'd also have to have a complete shutdown of the borders, which as we know is impossible.

Look at South Korea which has probably done the best job of any country. They still document around 45 new cases per day. Applied to the USA, that would still be 290 cases per day. Yes, that is a lot less than we are seeing but illustrates that zero is not practical.

Also, even in your age bracket 65-74, ignoring undocumented cases, the fatality rate is 7.8%. It's difficult to speculate on how many additional cases there actually are and what the real rate is. It's definitely lower, the unknown is how much lower.

It's definitely a risk to consider, but certainly not a "death sentence." Going by the antibody test results, there is still a very small chance (well under 10%) of getting the virus in the first place.

 

[mickeymiss]

depends where the cases can be traced to.

This is what I can't understand. It's one thing to close places that are identified as risky. Disney has made a very good safety plan that comes as close to perfect as you could ever get. Why don't the experts look at where the cases seem to be coming from and assess that? My guess is that a lot of these cases come from specific clusters (i.e., Jacksonville bar) or passed along to household members. That can add up. It seems misguided to shut down the few businesses that are doing all they can to be safe. It's still a personal choice to go or not. We are likely not going to have stay home orders again. The flood gates are wide open for a lot of different obvious reasons.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Look at South Korea which has probably done the best job of any country. They still document around 45 new cases per day

I think New Zealand with 0 cases has done the best job. Just my opinion of course.

 

[Chomama]

Where did you get that image from? Do they have images showing how far the droplets travel without a mask?

I'm sure masks make a big difference in situations like getting a haircut where a stylist is standing right on top of you for 20 minutes+. I'm sure they also make a big difference sitting next to somebody on a bus.

I'd also like to see studies that show if the virus is present in the type of droplets shown in that image.

That's what I don't understand about the scientists studying this virus. I haven't seen (they may exist but I haven't seen them) studies where they take actual positive patients and study air samples at various distances while they talk in a lab.

Regarding masks. As I've stated before I don't want to wear one, I don't like wearing one. It isn't for a political reason it's because it is uncomfortable and I have to smell my breath when I talk. That said, when I can't social distance or if it is a requirement to enter a business I wear one.

If things like sporting events were allowed like normal with a mask requirement, I would gladly deal with the discomfort to attend the game.

I received this from my friend who is an infectious disease doctor at UAB, one of the hospitals that tested remdisivir, has a grant to find other treatments, and develop vaccine. You can follow her on Facebook too. dr Ellen Eaton Coronavirus Updates. She studies at Vanderbilt with me and she is a professor and doctor here

 

[Andrew C]

This is what I can't understand. It's one thing to close places that are identified as risky. Disney has made a very good safety plan that comes as close to perfect as you could ever get. Why don't the experts look at where the cases seem to be coming from and assess that? My guess is that a lot of these cases come from specific clusters (i.e., Jacksonville bar) or passed along to household members. That can add up. It seems misguided to shut down the few businesses that are doing all they can to be safe. It's still a personal choice to go or not. We are likely not going to have stay home orders again. The flood gates are wide open for a lot of different obvious reasons.

I have been trying to find information on anyone talking about where these cases are coming from. Not much luck other than more young people are being infected and numbers for specific counties.

Coronavirus: Florida reports 5,004 new cases of COVID-19 on Thursday

Florida reported 5,004 new cases of COVID-19 on Thursday. It’s the state’s second-highest total in a single day and comes one day after Florida shattered its one-day record with 5,511.

www.google.com

 

[carolina_yankee]

I'm against being too critical of our government during this time, but it may have helped if we hadn't been told at the outset that this was no worse than the flu and that masks were not effective and not recommended. This was against a backdrop of pictures of healthcare workers treating patients in negative pressure rooms while wearing head to toe protective gear and pictures of Chinese, Italians and South Koreans all wearing masks. We're playing catch up.

I agree.

We‘re not playing catch up. We’re playing “La la La, can’t hear you!” For whatever reason, we look at Europe and their success, Asia and their success, the US (apart from some originally vilified states) and shrug, “Oh, well.” I get that correlation does not imply causation, but when everybody around you is doing something that seems to work, and you insist on not doing it, and that’s not working out too well, I just don’t get it.

That wearing a mask should be considered political is beyond absurd.

 

[DisneyCane]

I think New Zealand with 0 cases has done the best job. Just my opinion of course.

I did forget about them but they also only have had 1,500 total cases. They were able to catch the outbreak at a low enough level where containment was still possible. Their peak day was 146. The USA was likely past the tipping point before even knowing about the first case.

 

[peter11435]

The USA was likely past the tipping point before even knowing about the first case.

No. We just * it up from the beginning.

 

[DisneyCane]

No. We just * it up from the beginning.

Compared to who? In deaths per 1 million population, the USA is still well behind France, Sweden, Italy, Spain and the UK and adding roughly 2 per million each day right now and trending down. It would still take 43 days to catch France (the lowest of those) if France had no more deaths and the USA daily rate didn't decline.

 

[peter11435]

Compared to who? In deaths per 1 million population, the USA is still well behind France, Sweden, Italy, Spain and the UK and adding roughly 2 per million each day right now and trending down. It would still take 43 days to catch France (the lowest of those) if France had no more deaths and the USA daily rate didn't decline.

Really?

Maybe the 140 or so countries of the world who have a lower deaths per million than the US.

You choose to make a list of 5 of the 6 countries that have been more worse off than the US. Sure, we are behind those countries you listed, but we are ahead of nearly every other country in the world in deaths. There’s a much longer list of countries (many you would likely consider third world) that have managed to keep their outbreaks under control and well below ours.

 

[Andrew C]

Really?

Maybe the 140 or so countries of the world who have a lower deaths per million than the US.

You choose to make a list of 5 of the 6 countries that have been more worse off than the US. Sure, we are behind those countries you listed, but we are ahead of nearly every other country in the world in deaths. There’s a much longer list of countries (many you would likely consider third world) that have managed to keep their outbreaks under control and well below ours.

To be fair, it seems more of an attempt to compare apples to apples given we share the most similarities with Western European countries. Essentially, many countries did a crap job or were caught out. Some of the smaller countries or “third world” countries you may be referring to don’t have the incoming international travel to initially bring in the virus significantly. And a number of other reasons.

With that being said, point taken. Our deaths are bad, even if some say it could have been millions. We were not prepared and got off to a bad start. It is on us.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I did forget about them but they also only have had 1,500 total cases. They were able to catch the outbreak at a low enough level where containment was still possible. Their peak day was 146. The USA was likely past the tipping point before even knowing about the first case.

Well how were they able to do that? There was a time when the USA had a peak day of 146 as well.

 

[SoFloMagic]

Unpopular opinion alert but what are we supposed to do? Keep locked down? It's such a mess as it is. High unemployment. Mental unrest. Protests are still ongoing. Schools can't stay closed. All states are feeling pressure to open. Even NY. Fauci said another lockdown won't be necessary. I agree that masks/distancing are good ideas but rolling back on opening will be a disaster. We aren't promised a cure or a vaccine. Herd immunity is disrupted. Hiding from it doesn't feel like an option anymore. It seems like we need to focus on protecting those at highest risk. My husband has worked at a hospital this whole time. No coworkers have had the virus. We don't know of any cases personally. Caution seems to work. I think the right combination of opening with safety measures enforced is the only way through.

No, we don't need to be locked down forever. We need to recognize that covid isn't gone and treat this like the pandemic it is.
We tried letting people make the right choices and it didn't work. It's time to mandate the right decisions. Your freedom ends when you put the safety of others in jeopardy.
Mandate masks, limit bar capacity, whatever public health officials say is needed.
Save the economy and save lives

 

[DisneyCane]

Well how were they able to do that? There was a time when the USA had a peak day of 146 as well.

Part of it was they had more information available as their 146 day was almost 3 weeks after the US crossed that number.

 

[Andrew C]

Part of it was they had more information available as their 146 day was almost 3 weeks after the US crossed that number.

not to mention they didn’t have to deal with the sheer magnitude of international and interstate travel we do. And population was eaiser to manage. But kudos to them. They did what they thought was best and it seems to have worked out for them. I’m unsure how their tourism industry is dealing.
Also, what was “funny” recently is their two brand new cases that popped up were two women that were allowed to travel there. From Europe I believe.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I’m unsure how their tourism industry is dealing.

See this is the problem.... in a global pandemic nobody should be worried about the tourism industry. Worry about the pandemic... once that is over, than worry about the tourist industry. Lol.

I mean it’s going to take years to recover, all the airline layoffs coming October 1 isn’t because travel is suddenly coming back!

 

[Andrew C]

See this is the problem.... in a global pandemic nobody should be worried about the tourism industry. Worry about the pandemic... once that is over, than worry about the tourist industry. Lol.

I mean it’s going to take years to recover, all the airline layoffs coming October 1 isn’t because travel is suddenly coming back!

NZ has controlled their cases and seem to be in a good place now. I imagine many people in their country depend on that industry for jobs. So they better be concerned with helping these individuals out one way or another. And work on a plan to ramp up this industry again in the future. That was my point. Although I could be overstating the impact. I believe manufacturing is big there as well.

 

[legwand77]

I received this from my friend who is an infectious disease doctor at UAB, one of the hospitals that tested remdisivir, has a grant to find other treatments, and develop vaccine. You can follow her on Facebook too. dr Ellen Eaton Coronavirus Updates. She studies at Vanderbilt with me and she is a professor and doctor here

that picture is from a study done by computer scientists, makes for a dramatic picture and demonstration but has a lot of issues as far a science and how it applies to Covid

 

[DisneyDebRob]

We can't have states with no new cases. It is impossible to contain this virus unless you literally shut down and quarantined the entire population (including essential workers) for probably two months. You'd also have to have a complete shutdown of the borders, which as we know is impossible.

Look at South Korea which has probably done the best job of any country. They still document around 45 new cases per day. Applied to the USA, that would still be 290 cases per day. Yes, that is a lot less than we are seeing but illustrates that zero is not practical.

Also, even in your age bracket 65-74, ignoring undocumented cases, the fatality rate is 7.8%. It's difficult to speculate on how many additional cases there actually are and what the real rate is. It's definitely lower, the unknown is how much lower.

It's definitely a risk to consider, but certainly not a "death sentence." Going by the antibody test results, there is still a very small chance (well under 10%) of getting the virus in the first place.

I don’t believe anyone here, on either side believes you can have zero cases. I have not heard one person say that. It’s a question of doing the right thing.
I admit, in the beginning there was a lot of do this , don’t do that being thrown around until we had a better understanding of what was going on. We still don’t but when looking at some countries,and some states on their responses, we can start to see some of the things that do work.
Countries and states that started very early with lockdowns and masks seem to have a pretty good control on things. Opening up in last phases or even past that with some restrictions in place is working. Others where it seemed like the Wild West with no set standard are , again, for the most part going up. I think reasonable people can see, whetythey like it or not it’s working.
I think you were the one praising Sweden if I’m not mistaken about 2 months going back and forth with a bunch of us on why they were doing it the right way.. not hurting economy.. death toll low. I think we can agree that wasn’t the way to go with the results of that.
We have a few months now of finding out what works best and for the life of me I can’t understand why everyone wouldn’t do it because it’s not that hard.