Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[The Mom]

I think most people will manage okay enough with the mask rule especially when indoors. It won't be perfect and I am undecided on whether it needs to be mandatory. I want to see what the patterns of transmission were in this Florida surge. Bars seem to be a problem they need to address.

Our Mayor is considering making masks mandatory in bars, reducing capacity, and perhaps shutting them back down if the numbers don't go down.

Again, it may not be the bar staff spreading disease, but people gathering face to face without using masks and social distancing. The average age of new cases has dropped down to age 30 - very different than a few weeks ago. More younger people are getting tested as they realize that this disease can affect them - too many misinterpreted "worse for older people and those with underlying conditions " as "if I'm young and healthy I won't get it"

 

[DKampy]

It is a mystery why some places surge and others do not...when Wisconsin had it’s safer at home overturned and people packed the bars I thought we would see a huge surge...about a week later I thought here it comes when our cases had a huge uptick...but alas it must of been that we increased testing quite a bit at the same time as our hospitalizations, cases, and percent positive all have been on a steady decline...they knocked down our safer at home over a month and a half ago.

My wife had a theory...we have been outside more as the weather is getting nicer...where the southern and western states are inside more as their weather gets unbearably hot in the summer.

 

[DisneyOutsider]

Whatever makes you feel OK or not OK is up to you. I just want to point something out about the "numbers." Let's take yesterday with around 3,300 new cases and assume that there are really double that number due to undiscovered asymptomatic cases. Then lets assume you get the same number every day for the next three weeks. That gives you 138,600 infections over a 3 week period. I picked 3 weeks as how long it takes for somebody to not be contagious anymore. For this exercise, I'm also assuming that these people don't isolate and are all just out and about with a known infection (the ones that were tested and know they have it).

Using my assumptions, 0.6% of the population would have active, contagious infections at any given time. Realistically, almost all of the people that know they tested positive will isolate, so the percent of active, contagious people that are mingling with the general population is closer to 0.3%.

The point is that even with this huge "spike" in Florida numbers, the chance of you actually coming into contact with somebody who is contagious is extremely low. I guess you could even go back to the 0.6% number if you take the seniors out of the equation who are isolating to reduce their risk. It's still a very low chance. Obviously it is not a zero chance because new people get infected every day.

In New York with the worst outbreak in the USA, only 2% of the population has tested positive. Even if there were 10 times the number when you account for asymptomatic or untested cases, 80% of the population has NOT been infected.

If the number of daily positives and percent positives continue to rise from where they've been over the past week.. Florida has a real problem that you won't be able to explain away.

I'm not worried about my long term health, but I can't look at what's happening there right now and feel like I could enjoy myself there. Getting sick with this thing is a huge PITA and it's getting close to the point where a trip to Florida would be cause for a 14 day quarantine upon my return home (a place that actually has steadily declining numbers). I'm not saying it's panic time.. but Florida may be Knocking on the door if things don't turn around and fast.

 

[John park hopper]

The wife and I are in the at risk age group so we wear masks when in the general public--do they protect us who knows but it's not a big inconvenience to wear. Our county had cover-19 testing and we both tested negative for infection so we would like to keep it that way.

 

[The Mom]

The wife and I are in the at risk age group so we wear masks when in the general public--do they protect us who knows but it's not a big inconvenience to wear. Our county had cover-19 testing and we both tested negative for infection so we would like to keep it that way.

Which is what I do. And will continue to do for the foreseeable future.

 

[Jrb1979]

I think most people will manage okay enough with the mask rule especially when indoors. It won't be perfect and I am undecided on whether it needs to be mandatory. I want to see what the patterns of transmission were in this Florida surge. Bars seem to be a problem they need to address.

My main beef comes with the people who still think everything needs to close down when a spike is identified. Some before they are even given a chance to open. Disney has a plan similar to if not better than Universal. I am not aware of any issues connected to Universal opening and this T-Rex rumor hasnt been verfied, has it? I would like to think that isolated cases here and there among people who were already wearing a mask is low risk. That doesn't excuse the situation if it's true that they were allowed to work with a known covid infection.

I also have major concerns about wearing a mask outside in 90 degree weather when distancing is possible.. I'm a dedicated rule follower but that mask is coming off (in a quiet area away from people) if I can't breathe.

Those people you are talking about is a minority. Most feel things are moving to quickly and not enough restrictions in place. They are trying to quickly to get to back to normal and it's making things worse. The plan should have been to open businesses strict social distancing measures should be mandatory. Restaurants should be patios only for the time being with low capacity. Mandatory masks inside all businesses. Instead the plan seems to be let's get everything open as quick as possible and who cares about the consequences.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

That's the thing, we shouldn't be trying to go back to normal yet. Social distancing measures as well as masks should be mandatory til this gets under control.

Have you been out much recently? Social distancing is a nonsense concept that sounds great online or in a strategy session in a government building, but it doesn't play out in real life. People don't and won't behave that way. They can't. You can't maintain six feet of separation from every other person in a crowd of people. You can't predict the actions and movements of even one other person, let alone a crowd of hundreds. People make an effort for about 30 seconds and then give up because it's COMPLETELY useless.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Those people you are talking about is a minority. Most feel things are moving to quickly and not enough restrictions in place. They are trying to quickly to get to back to normal and it's making things worse. The plan should have been to open businesses strict social distancing measures should be mandatory. Restaurants should be patios only for the time being with low capacity. Mandatory masks inside all businesses. Instead the plan seems to be let's get everything open as quick as possible and who cares about the consequences.

Where are you getting this information? I've been on vacation all week, doing things like zoos, mini golf, the beach, shopping, restaurants, and a boardwalk and NOBODY thinks things are moving too quickly. People are participating fully, doing the bare minimum to comply with mask requirements, completely ignoring masks in places where they're just recommended, and complaining loudly about the restrictions that are still in place.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Our Mayor is considering making masks mandatory in bars, reducing capacity, and perhaps shutting them back down if the numbers don't go down.

Again, it may not be the bar staff spreading disease, but people gathering face to face without using masks and social distancing. The average age of new cases has dropped down to age 30 - very different than a few weeks ago. More younger people are getting tested as they realize that this disease can affect them - too many misinterpreted "worse for older people and those with underlying conditions " as "if I'm young and healthy I won't get it"

The younger ones are driving this thing now. They have no worries because they know the chances of them getting really sick or die is low. There is a chance they will get really sick or die but I’m more worried about who they interact with after getting it, keeping this thing from being suppressed as much as possible until there is a vaccine.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The younger ones are driving this thing now. They have no worries because they know the chances of them getting really sick or die is low. There is a chance they will get really sick or die but I’m more worried about who they interact with after getting it, keeping this thing from being suppressed as much as possible until there is a vaccine.

You're from Philadelphia? Come down to Ocean City tonight and see for yourself. It's not "the young ones" who are ignoring the guidelines. It's EVERYONE.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

You're from Philadelphia? Come down to Ocean City tonight and see for yourself. It's not "the young ones" who are ignoring the guidelines. It's EVERYONE.

I know it’s not just young ones. I said they are driving it now. The amount of people under 35 is the biggest group that’s getting it now.
Thanks but I’ll be avoiding OC and Wildwood for awhile.

 

[Jrb1979]

You're missing the point. I'm not talking about a handful of people refusing to do social distancing. I'm talking about crowds in the thousands with 100% non-compliance.

Then you start fining people like they are doing here for not complying. They have handed out $880 fines to over 900 people.

 

[legwand77]

Where are you getting this information? I've been on vacation all week, doing things like zoos, mini golf, the beach, shopping, restaurants, and a boardwalk and NOBODY thinks things are moving too quickly. People are participating fully, doing the bare minimum to comply with mask requirements, completely ignoring masks in places where they're just recommended, and complaining loudly about the restrictions that are still in place.

Exactly, from some posts it is pretty obvious don’t think some here have been out and have seen what is really going on for weeks now.

 

[Jrb1979]

Exactly, from some posts it is pretty obvious don’t think some here have been out and have seen what is really going on for weeks now.

I have been out and have seen what is going on. The difference is where I live the vast majority are actually practicing social distancing here.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I have been out and have seen what is going on. The difference is where I live the vast majority are actually practicing social distancing here.

Agreed...and the data where I’m at is actually bearing fruit...and I’m loathe to give NJ/NYC/Philly credit for anything...

 

[legwand77]

Again, most of your post is false. Please include links or something at all to back up any of your claims.
The only thing you were correct on is Florida is not Canada. Florida is sky rocketing in cases BECAUSE of the things you mentioned. Bars, comedy shows, live music gatherings. No need to talk about what’s going on there, we all see it. Your wrong with the full flights with no masks. No truth at all. Not only are the airlines going with mandatory masks now, but even when some of the airlines just recommended you wear them, they had close to 80% of the people wear them. Google is your friend.
As for Georgia and no spike well we have this.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ledger-enquirer.com/news/coronavirus/article243665887.html

Yes, we will need masks for a long time. Let’s put our selfishness to the side for the better good.View attachment 477847

Snark and cute memes aside, you can believe whatever you choose, but nothing in my post is false. I have first hand knowledge of full no mask flights on commercial airlines. Also before you post about more about cases skyrocketing, I agree they are going to go up, much much higher than you will think. Would not be surprised at thousand more new cases a day, that is a good thing. Look at all the athletes that are showing positive now they are having to be tested. Watch today and tomorrow, I bet you see dramatic healdine news of sports teams report multiple cases since they reported this week to campus, and most players having no clue they had it. Watch how many are asymptomatic and have no health problems with it.

With all the new cases being reported thankfully the panic reaction/reporting to new cases will drop in the media because people will realize how it is not as important. When the hospitalizations and deaths start trending like they did in New York is the concern. Remember Georgia has been open for months now. Deaths have dramatically dropped and hospitalizations have stayed the same as pre-covid levels.

 

[legwand77]

Very misinterpreted. I work in Pigeon Forge Tennessee. Our cases have been going up up up since Memorial Day, and are expected to climb higher with Dollywood reopening.
A fatality we had this week was in her 20s, who was otherwise healthy prior to getting Covid.

Do you have more info on this case? LInk?

 

[carolina_yankee]

Also many airline flights full no masks for passengers

Would someone please tell Brandon Straka which airlines those are? He needs a new one.

American Airlines bans activist who was kicked off plane for refusing to wear mask

 

[legwand77]

Would someone please tell Brandon Straka which airlines those are? He needs a new one.

American Airlines bans activist who was kicked off plane for refusing to wear mask

It was not AA, Delta or Southwest and I leave it at that.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Very misinterpreted. I work in Pigeon Forge Tennessee. Our cases have been going up up up since Memorial Day, and are expected to climb higher with Dollywood reopening.
A fatality we had this week was in her 20s, who was otherwise healthy prior to getting Covid.

Cases are supposed to go up. They were always supposed to go up. That's what "flatten the curve" means. It was never about reducing total cases, it was about DELAYING total cases so that hospital capacity wouldn't be overwhelmed at the peak.