Politics Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Kevin_W

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This data also indicates a flat curve with possibly slight downward trend. This is an encouraging trend because we are well past the "Initial Phase 1" county start date and this data goes 17 days past the "Full Phase 1."

Ohio has a pretty similar trend:
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the good news here is that if I asked you to point out on the graph when Ohio began to reopen services you couldn't do it. What's interesting is that Ohio graphs the current number of people in hospital beds and this has been steadily decreasing for weeks from ~1100 to ~700 now. With a flat # of admissions you would think this would stay constant as well. But perhaps some of those admissions from late March are just now being discharged, or perhaps treatments are improving and average length of stay has shortened.
 

Kevin_W

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Nor did anyone...I just think the “linger” is still cause for concern IF I was Disney.
I can’t figure out how it’s really spreading at all in the US?? It’s almost seems like it’s “willful stupidity” unless it involves health care workers/patients.

But that’s why there was the cry for mass testing and tracing...operating blind is not preferable.

Oh well.

Good questions and points. I know in my state that >70% of cases in the past month have been prisons and nursing homes, where I am sure they are doing there best, but particularly in a nursing home some personal contact cannot be avoided. But I don't know abotu the other 30%.
 

lisa12000

Active Member
As a perspective from the uk - we are seeing the same sort of trends - our case numbers go down and then plateau for a few days and then drop - problem is that we are doing record amounts of testing (220,000 a day) now although caution has to be taken with the way we are recording number of tests. Our numbers aren’t declining as much as our (doom and gloom) scientists want but it seems to be driven by care homes and hospitals rather than in the community. For me the virus in the uk is now virtually a nosocomial virus and talk of such thing as the r rate is not helpful as there really is a distinct difference between r in the community and r in hospitals and care homes.

Our fatality rate is falling but again we have changed how we are recording them again on 1st June which has landed a load of retrospective data which we report on one day which totally panics everyone!

we are being very cautious with opening and seem to be adding restrictions as much as we are taking them away seemingly driven by the economy and sod social interactions and family! We also have a really issue with our unions who won’t allow things to open up again especially schools despite govt allowing them to

however our Merlin theme parks are hoping to open on July 4th and at this time are recommending not mandating face masks which for me is a plus as I really really struggle with tuen due to sinus issues :( - disney for me is a nono whilst masks are mandatory which makes me sad
 

DisneyDebRob

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Nor did anyone...I just think the “linger” is still cause for concern IF I was Disney.
I can’t figure out how it’s really spreading at all in the US?? It’s almost seems like it’s “willful stupidity” unless it involves health care workers/patients.

But that’s why there was the cry for mass testing and tracing...operating blind is not preferable.

Oh well.
See pictures and videos of the parties going on for your answer. I kid but can’t be helping.
 

rdoncsecz

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Again...johns Hopkins as of two days ago: 18 states down, 13 flat, 19 up.

Now the caveat is some of the “ups” are very sparsely populated and don’t really spike the numbers...

I’m just saying it’s not all positive. Don’t bother posting alternative charts or trying to flip that on its ear. They have no reason to “overstate” anything except to preach caution...which has been the right call since day one.

COVID is not going away, and will be lingering for sometime. It is up to if people are going to continue to "care" about it or not.

Either way, I think we as people should be able to make our own decisions on if we want to go out or not (or run businesses, or let a company operate a theme park IF THEY WANT TO), bc as you said, we are NOT going to convince the people that think it is is safe, that it is NOT safe and vice versa.
 

Kevin_W

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Either way, I think we as people should be able to make our own decisions on if we want to go out or not (or run businesses, or let a company operate a theme park IF THEY WANT TO), bc as you said, we are NOT going to convince the people that think it is is safe, that it is NOT safe and vice versa.

I agree with your points, and I think that is why school decisions for the fall are going to be difficult. It's quite easy to lay out the risks for a theme park (or restaurant, church, movie theater, etc.) and people can choose whether to go or not. It's harder for school where attendence is mandatory. If 90% felt it was safe to open schools, but 10% did not feel the risks were justified, is it okay to override their wishes? the answer might be yes, but that's a tough decision to make.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
It absolutely matters. How is this any different vs how mobile somebody could be between say, NJ and DE or VT and CT? Miami is 4 hours away from me. I have friends there and trust me, they don’t just hop over to Orlando for the sake of doing so or to visit a theme park. Nor do we on a whim decide to run down to Miami. Are there some that do? Sure. But it’s far and few between. And with things being worse down there, just about everyone I know in central Florida has zero interest it visiting south FL at the moment. Of course this is all IMO 😁
I don’t know. If Miami keeps bars closed and they are open in the rest of Florida people will travel. I went to college in PA 45 mins from the NJ border. We did plenty of liquor runs on a Sunday because the Wine and Spirits in PA was closed on Sunday but NJ stores were open. WDW is not a locals attraction at all. There’s no way to say people from more impacted parts of the state will just stay home. That’s not going to happen.

On the theme park front I know numerous people up here in the Northeast who have relatives in the Miami area and when they visit them they almost always make a trip to WDW. It’s a drive but not a significant one. We have Hershey Park over here in PA and on any summer day half the hotel parking lots have cars with NY plates even though the closest part of NY is 4 hours away. Most people think nothing of driving 4 hours for a vacation, especially if they stay over. One of the biggest demographic groups for DVC is Florida residents. Not necessarily central FL. People who visit regularly because it’s a reasonable drive and get good AP discounts. I think you are grossly underestimating the number of people from the Miami area who will visit WDW.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
While I don’t disagree, that was not the norm before the pandemic. People could certainly be looking for something fun to do though after being in quarantine for this long so we shall see. I have lots of friends in South Florida and they seem to visit the theme parks once every 4-5 years., if at all.

It’s seriously no different then somebody in a quarantine area in PA driving to the now-open Jersey shore. A few here and there will certainly do it regardless of the rules or threat but hopefully it’s not enough to make a big difference.

My original point is that I suspect the numbers are still going down as required to enter phase 2 with exception of the counties that were excluded. Hopefully this doesn’t impact the overall numbers in our state.
Do your friends have kids? I think for young adults without kids it may be a less frequent thing. There’s much more to do in Miami that would interest that group. For families I think it’s a lot more popular. I can give you at least a dozen examples from Jan-Mar of kids from my kid‘s school in PA who went to the Miami area to visit grandparents and they almost all did a few days at WDW.

The Jersey Shore will be filled with people from Philly and the suburbs in the Southern towns and NYC and the suburbs in Northern towns. It’s happening right now. It’s an absolute breading ground for a resurgence of cases. The only positive is so far only the outdoor stuff is open. If they open bars and clubs it’s going to be a huge problem.
 

rowrbazzle

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Exactly ZERO cases came out of that Lake of the Ozarks party that had everyone in an uproar.

Wow, that's crazy (and good news).

I read some time back about the possibility that spread would slow as we got past the initial phases. The rationale was that the most at-risk people would get infected at the beginning. As the virus "moved through" those people there would be fewer in the susceptible population and more in the potentially less at-risk population. Or something along those lines. I thought it was interesting. I wish I could find the article. There was also the news posted earlier about doctors in Italy finding lower viral loads in recent patients. Regardless, it's interesting.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
That person had the virus before the party, he didn't catch it AT the party.


The fact that there was a confirmed case at the party yet no new cases coming out of the party kind of reinforces my point.

There was a case that was reported almost immediately. Beyond that, no one is admitting they attended that party after the story went viral.
You're either misinformed or lying. I'll assume the former. The case predated the party.
 

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