Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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lilypgirl

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DisneyDebRob said:
We could add many things to the list. Just visit your local store or drive around and keep your eyes open, there’s many a reason this won’t go away anytime soon.
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We finally agree on something! I have never thought it would just go away because that is not how viruses work. I do think we can manage it now and continue to resume our "normal" way of life. I never doubted it's seriousness however I just never agreed with the shut it all down until it can be eradicated idea either.
 
GoofGoof

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CaptainAmerica said:
Except his post is full of ****. The "case that was reported immediately" was a case of someone who attended the party and had the virus already, not somebody who caught the virus at the party.
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I went to CA last summer on a great vacation. We went to several national parks with a stop at DLR and also spent some time down in SD. Epic trip. The reason I bring this up is while we were at Yosemite it was naturally pretty crowded. At one of the popular waterfall areas we watched a guy climb over a fence, down an embankment and walk out to the top of a waterfall to get a selfie. He ignored multiple warning signs doing all of this. Nothing happened to the guy (probably partially because the water flow is less by August). All that being said, just because the guy survived and didn’t plummet to his death doesn‘t make what he did smart or even OK. It was still epically stupid. You can argue semantics on whether anyone got sick or not at that party, but in reality we will never know one way or the other. What we do know for sure is that having that party was epically stupid. There’s no disputing that. Even if nobody got sick that doesn’t change the facts.
 
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DisneyDebRob

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lilypgirl said:
We finally agree on something! I have never thought it would just go away because that is not how viruses work. I do think we can manage it now and continue to resume our "normal" way of life. I never doubted it's seriousness however I just never agreed with the shut it all down until it can be eradicated idea either.
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I’m sure we agree on a lot. Not much in here though. 🙂
 
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rowrbazzle said:
I think that's unfair. When I read what CaptainAmerica posted I didn't believe it. It's what health officials are reporting, though. It's been almost two weeks since Memorial Day, which is enough time for some folks to present symptoms. I'm surprised, but it's good news if it holds.
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Assuming the people who got sick present symptoms and are also honest about where they went. My guess is a lot of the people who attended that event are firmly in the this whole thing is an overreaction or this is just the flu or it only impacts old or sick people camp. They aren’t as likely to admit where they went if they do get sick.
 
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lilypgirl

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GoofGoof said:
Assuming the people who got sick present symptoms and are also honest about where they went. My guess is a lot of the people who attended that event are firmly in the this whole thing is an overreaction or this is just the flu or it only impacts old or sick people camp. They aren’t as likely to admit where they went if they do get sick.
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That’s an awful lot of assumptions!!
 
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rowrbazzle

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GoofGoof said:
Assuming the people who got sick present symptoms and are also honest about where they went. My guess is a lot of the people who attended that event are firmly in the this whole thing is an overreaction or this is just the flu or it only impacts old or sick people camp. They aren’t as likely to admit where they went if they do get sick.
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I agree with lily on this; that's a lot of assumptions. I'm fine with going by the reports of the state health officials. Their job is to track this stuff and they haven't identified anyone yet.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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lilypgirl said:
That’s an awful lot of assumptions!!
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That’s why I started out saying assuming;). It’s also a huge assumption to say nobody got sick there.
It’s a fact that some people are asymptomatic. Through studies it also appears that younger people are more likely to have less severe symptoms or be symptom free. The majority of that crowd was young. I don’t think its a reach to say there’s a good chance that if some people got infected there they could be asymptomatic and not even know it.

Most people who believe in social distancing and following the current guidelines would have seen that party and turned around and left. It’s fine for people to not support the guidelines or feel differently but again, not a reach to say most of the people present at that party were not concerned with social distancing. We don’t know the answer to this, but how many people who attended that event and found out someone there was sick either went into voluntary quarantine or got tested? Honest question for anyone here, if you were at that party and found out that one guy was sick would you self quarantine for 14 days or get tested? The whole concept of contact tracing is that if you test positive you then determine anyone you came into direct contact with and they either self quarantine for 14 days or they get tested.
 
Notes from Neverland

Notes from Neverland

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CaptainAmerica said:
Except his post is full of crap. He's not using "logic," he's literally lying. The "case that was reported immediately" was a case of someone who attended the party and had the virus already, not somebody who caught the virus at the party.
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No need to be rude. My point was someone at the party had the virus and it was reported not long after the event. That's it. Whether or not anyone after that has come down with the virus is literally impossible to know because there still isn't enough testing, contact tracing isn't a thing in Missouri and few people are willing to admit they attended an event that got national scrutiny. Reports have said there haven't been additional confirmed cases, but that's impossible to know with any kind of accuracy due to the three previous points.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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CaptainAmerica said:
Wrong.

What we know is that the party increased the risk of transmission of the virus. I would personally rather live in a world with parties and viruses than one with no parties and no viruses.
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I’d rather live in a world with parties and no Covid :cool: Since that’s not an option today, I’ll stick with the plan.

Things are opening back up. The vast majority of people are acting responsibly. There’s a smart way and a dumb way to do it. That party was not the smart way. Hence my original statement that the party was an epically stupid idea. Obviously that’s my opinion and I’m actually completely fine that you and others disagree. I’m not trying to change your minds. We actually all want the same thing which is a return to some form of normal life. We just disagree on how to get there. I would also caution anyone taking a victory lap over the “no new cases” reported from this event. It’s really impossible to know for sure either way.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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CaptainAmerica said:
With all due respect, I don't think that's what "we all" want. It's what you and I want but a lot of people on "your side" (for lack of a better term) want us to accept that we're going to be wearing masks and walking in 6-foot-circles around each other until there's a vaccine, which there very possibly never will be.
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I think some people Believe we can’t get back to any form of normal without a vaccine. Some people are convinced there will never be a vaccine. I think both groups are wrong. I think we can move towards normal with a slow and steady pace and the ability to test and trace along the way. I also can’t understand why anyone would “root against a vaccine”. I understand people want things open today and think that the prospect of a vaccine is preventing that, but ultimately a vaccine will save thousands of lives and help bail out the world economy. It’s a win for everyone.
 
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The Mom

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Please remember that we are well past debating the "Should have/Should not have" of the shutdown, and the "this is no worse/10x worse than seasonal flu" has also been debated to death. History will tell us who was right or wrong - and this epidemic isn't over yet. Although I wish it was, and that we are truly past the worst of it.

Updates on the virus are more than welcome, but having the same argument over and over is not. Thank you.
 
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Incomudro

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GoofGoof said:
I think some people Believe we can’t get back to any form of normal without a vaccine. Some people are convinced there will never be a vaccine. I think both groups are wrong. I think we can move towards normal with a slow and steady pace and the ability to test and trace along the way. I also can’t understand why anyone would “root against a vaccine”. I understand people want things open today and think that the prospect of a vaccine is preventing that, but ultimately a vaccine will save thousands of lives and help bail out the world economy. It’s a win for everyone.
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That slow steady pace has been trampled on by mass gatherings nationwide, and even in other parts of the world.
That pool party was a just a drop of water in an endless sea by comparison.
I'm interested to see if case numbers spike in the next couple of weeks.
 
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trainplane3

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Patcheslee said:
Ohio is allowing amusement parks, casinos to open June 19th. Now we wait for individual park announcements.
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I won't lie, I'm excited. However, there's no rush for me. I'm going to sit back and watch for at least a month after opening to see how things are going.

As a result of ongoing discussions with Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine and Lt. Gov. John Husted, we are very pleased to announce that our Ohio parks, including Cedar Point and Kings Island, have been cleared to reopen. We will provide specific opening dates just as soon as we confirm details with the governor. We appreciate the cooperation and support of all those that are working hard to help us and the state of Ohio reopen.

We plan to continue conversations with the governor and lieutenant governor that have helped reach a positive resolution for all parties. We also owe a big thank you to our local city, county and state officials who have assisted us throughout this process. The reopening of our parks is crucial to the economic viability of Erie County and Warren County, and we look forward to getting back to business and hope that other states will follow Ohio’s lead in reopening parks around the country.

We are taking every necessary precaution to keep our guests and associates safe in accordance with governmental and CDC directives, Erie County and Warren County health departments, medical professionals, Ohio’s Development Services Agency (DSA) and industry best practices. Cedar Fair’s capacity-controlled, family-friendly properties at Cedar Point and Kings Island, coupled with the operational expertise of our seasoned park professionals, ensures an environment where predictable observance and enforcement of social distancing and COVID-19 protocols can be achieved. More details about our safety measures and what to expect when visiting our Ohio parks will be released closer to the opening date.

We cannot wait to welcome back our loyal guests to Ohio’s treasured amusement parks, which have brought fun and happiness to generations of families.

Cedar Fair also stated in a separate article they need about 2 to 3 weeks to prep the parks for opening.
 
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